Lightroom 9.3: Bleeding color with Healing Tool

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I updated to 9.3 this morning. Healing aspect of spot removal tool now has bleeding in many previously edited pictures which did not previously have bleeding -- what was before a clean background with spots removed now has ugly bleeding of color, and I can't use the healing tool properly in new edits either -- bleeds result.   What can I do to fix this -- I am pretty concerned, this has affected many photos.  Thanks.
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Can you post an example image showing the effect you are describing?
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As above a screen shot of what you are seeing on your screen would help to solve your problem.
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I'm extremely disappointed in the Lr development team for releasing LrC 9.3 without having fixed this issue.

 Here's a screen shot of my example.



Here is the result of LrC 9.3 Spot Removal in Heal mode to remove my artificial spots, including the tree branches in the lower left corner.



For comparison, here is the same removal using Lr 9.2.1



Now, as pointed out in this post, many users will have their images ruined by this newly introduced bug.

Unfortunately, there is little that can be done except revert back to Lr 9.2.1, which is not what paying customers expect to have to do.
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Do you see the same issue in Adobe Camera Raw or is it happening only in Lightroom Classic?
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I don't use camera raw, and I have now reverted to the prior version of Lightroom since so many of my pictures were affected by this bleeding.  I hope Adobe will fix this problem soon so I can restore the update.  
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@Pamina Ewing @Anthony Blackett -  can you provide me a raw sample + settings that shows the problem?
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Like I said, I already reverted to version 9.2.  The problem described in detail above by Anthony is identical to what I experienced with version 9.3.  fyi the bleeding with healing tool was very similar to the bleeding you get when a picture is cropped and you use the healing tool on the edge of the frame.  When I made the effort to use healing tool to brush over the area OUTSIDE the frame with uncropped picture in 9.3, as I would do with cropped pictures in prior versions, this would solve the bleeding issue.  This suggests to me that the problem may be that there are pixels outside the uncropped picture in version 9.3.  The bleeding only seems to occur on edges, which also supports this theory.  I have a 16-inch Mac laptop if this could be relevant.  
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Hi Rikk,

Here is a link to my example. It's a jpg with settings written to the file. Just import into LrC 9.3, switch to Develop and enable the Spot Removal tool.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5wi3suostq1jwkf/DSC_0191b.jpg?dl=0

If you do the same with Lr 9.2.1, you will see a very different result.

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Thanks. I have the file. 
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Rikk, I'm afraid I have another bug to report, the import preset that I created for each camera I use have all disappeared.  Pretty frustrating.  Please let me know if you are familiar with this bug and if there is a way I can get these back, if not I will start recreating them. Thanks.  Pamina
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Different topic so it belongs in a new thread.

Please reference the new conversation here: Lightroom Classic: Presets Missing after upgrade
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I have the same problem (spot removal tool on previously edited photos gives a complete different result) Image 552 is retouched with version 9.2, images 553/554 are virtual copies with version 9.3 (they needed to have a different aspect ratio before printing). 
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I have found a way around this problem for spot healing on the edge of an image frame. It doesn't always work, so you will need to try for yourself on images that you might need fixed before the bug itself is fixed.

Here is an image taken on a photographic holiday to Greece in 2007 just before Lightroom 1.0 was released.



There were some dust spots and I also wanted to remove the protruding roof edges on the right side to the image. Up until LrC 9.3, this image looked just fine with the spot healing I had done, but now, this bug has turned the healed roof edges into messy smudges.



I have found that moving the sample area to the edge improves the healing. If you go too far, the hard edge creeps into the image.



But moving the sample area back from the edge a bit restores the healing to a pre-LrC 9.3 result.





Zooming in and using the Visualize Spots also helps to get it right. Now my image looks good again, just as it did before LrC 9.3 messed it up.



As I mentioned, this doesn't always work, but it might be worth trying for images you need fixed now. I also found that deleting the original spot healing and redoing it helped a little bit too.

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It also helps if you use a larger Size setting and start with the center pin (+) right on the edge of the image when painting the area to be healed. Then move the sample area around and overlap it into the destination area. Placing a large amount of the Sot Removal tool outside the image border along with overlapping the sample area really helps.

Here's the best I could do using a smaller spot size with very little of it placed outside the image border.
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A lot of 'suck and see', but sadly, we shouldn't have to do this. I hope the problem gets fixed very soon.
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Considering this is a payed subscription, you should expect to rely on it. I'm losing lots of time in my professional work by finding a way around this problem. Please fix the problem asap!
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From the comments on this subject, it seems the problem only occurs around the edges of the image. If true, then use of the tool in the body of the image (i.e. away from the edge) does not manifest the issue. Is that what you folks are experiencing?

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While there may be work-arounds when working on new edits in 9.3, beware that previously edited pictures with healing on edges are also damaged.  I reverted to 9.2 rather than deal with trying to re-edit the many, many pictures ruined by bleeding.  Can someone from Adobe please address when we can expect a fix for this so we can all enjoy the benefits of 9.3?  Thanks.  
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Are you only encountering this problem on the edges of the image?
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Yes.
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I've reverted to 9.2 so can't confirm but I believe the problem was only on edges.  It seemed to me that the problem in 9.3 is extra pixels outside the uncropped image -- the bleeding is the same bleeding you see if try to heal a spot on the edge of a cropped image
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Just did a test with LrC 9.3 cropping my test image to cut one of my black dots in half, its on the edge of the crop. I then spot healed it with 0 feather and it worked fine - no bleeding.

The bleeding problem with spot healing on the real image edge is new to LrC 9.3.

I think you will find that there are no extra pixels on the outside of an uncropped image.
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I have same problem. Healing spots on picture edges wont heal them at all. It just makes spot dark and blurry.
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YES ... I am dealing with this as well and it is horrible. I'm having to skip over a lot of images for the time being. I do hope Adobe realizes this is a huge issue for a good number of us.
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Update: I also reverted back to 9.2. Whew! It all works as expected.