Camera Raw/Lightroom: 5D Mark IV "Camera Standard" Rendering vastly different from previous Canon profiles

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I have noticed that the new Canon Standard profiles for the 5D Mark IV are very different (less saturated, less red, different curve etc) in comparison with past Camera Standard profiles. Is this change intentional or a technical limitation? Would it be possible for Adobe to provide additional profiles that are more similar to past cameras of the same generation i.e. 1DX Mark II as it would be easy for batch processing when using these 2 cameras at the same time? Thank you very much for your attention.
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Alan Harper

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Have you tried using a colorchecker passport? I find that my Canon 5D Mk III and 5DR give (very slightly) different colors, but once I standardize with a color sample, they lock into completely indistinguishable color rendition.
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I prefer "camera standard" renderings as compared to profiled renderings.
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Zim Ali

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Hello, I am currently having a problem with the Camera Standard profile in Lightroom CC for 5D mark IV. I used to have a Mark III where I almost always used the Camera Standard profile, but with the Mark 4 it's unusable. The profile completely crushes the picture, making blacks too black and reds too red.
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Hi Mervin -

Would you be willing to share a CR2 from the 5D Mark VI that shows this well?

If you could, please also share an image from another camera that shows your expected Camera Standard rendering.

Thanks!
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Hi Max Wendt, will do so tonight, will need to take an image from my 1DX2 for reference.
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5D Mark 4
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1DX Mark 2

I'm using stable LED lights in my home. I balanced the WB setting of the 5D4 to the reading of of the 1DX2.

The issue is more obvious with skintones but I do not have a suitable example currently.

I have read comments on dpreview suggesting that certain copies of the 5d4 have issues with color rendering and newer copies seem fine. If that is the case, I will seek help from canon too. In the meantime I'd like to hear from adobe first! Thank you in advance!
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Adam Rubinstein

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I think I see the same washed out profile Mervin's talking about in-camera, but it'd be great to see an option to match it closer to other Canon models.
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I made a recent discovery that Adobe changed the Adobe Standard profiles on all new camera models introduced since Q3 2014. It appears they lowered the color saturation without any public announcement. I checked the 5D MKIV Color Standard profile and it is also lower than the previous 5D MKIII Camera Standard profile. I checked other Canon models and the Camera Standard profile appears to be unchanged. More here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9095782#9095782
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I've also noticed this. Making a Dual Illuminant DNG profile in DNG Profile editor didn't seem to fix the problem either as it was using Adobe Standard as the base. X-Rite's Software worked a bit better, however I didn't like what the profiles did a lot of the times, especially when weighted towards the Tungsten color tables. Also the X-Rite profiles usually have a green bias a bit. 
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Using the DNG Profile Editor with Adobe Standard Base profile try adding Saturation and increase contrast using the Tone Curve. See this post for an example: https://forums.adobe.com/message/9161197#9161197
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Is your color space set to adobe rgb or sRGB? I noticed when shooting in adobe RGB, the colors are much less saturated
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Hello,

I just wrote a topic explaining why the profiles are wrong :
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/5d-mark-iv-wrong-dcp-profile-from-adobe

As you can see, adobe made dcp profile for the 5DMarkIV with "adobe98" look instead of "sRGB" look. And of course, it affects red/yellows tones and the lights.