Photoshop CC 2019: "Make Group" below an existing, selected group, no longer working

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Hello!

There is a behavior change that had existed in many earlier versions of Photoshop that no longer works, and though it appears to be minor, is wreaking havoc on my complicated actions and workflows. I am running this on an iMac, MacOS 10.14 Mojave.

Expected behavior (2018 and earlier):
I click on a folder or layer in the Layers palette.
I hold down [command)+New Folder button at the bottom of the Layers palette.
A new folder is created BELOW the originally selected folder or layer.

New behavior (2019):
I click on a folder or layer in the Layers palette.
I hold down [command]+New Folder button at the bottom of the Layers palette.
A new folder is created ABOVE the originally selected folder or layer.

This is the same behavior as if I did not hold down the [command] modifier.

Please fix this.

Thank you,
Bruce
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Bruce Jamieson

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Max Johnson, Champion

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Verified on Win 10 as well. Only affects selection of existing groups. Individual layers still create a group below as previously.
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Jeffrey Tranberry, Sr. Product Manager, Digital Imaging

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Weird. I can't reproduce this off-hand. I'm on Sierra but I can't imagine this is OS specific.
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David Tristram, Employee

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Hi, I don't see the problem you are reporting.  with either a plain layer or a group selected, with other layers above and below it, 'new layer' button makes a layer above the selected layer/group, and cmd-new layer' button makes one below.  Feel free to include a screen capture movie or other more specific repro steps.  Or simply confirm you are doing the same thing.  
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New test results... see below.

First, this is specific to creating a new *empty group* using the folder icon at the bottom of the layers palette with only one active selection in the layers palette.

1. Create a group with a few layers in it.
2. Duplicate or make 2 more groups.
3. Select the middle group in the layers palette and nothing else.
4. Collapse middle group
5. cmd-click folder icon at bottom of layers palette. Note position of new group created. (should be below previously selected group) 
6. Delete newly created group and select middle group from before.
7. Expand selected group.
8. Cmd-click folder icon at bottom of layers palette. Note position of new group created. (if bugged, will be above previously selected group)

Not tested on 2018...
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David Tristram, Employee

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thanks for the details, that's what happens here too.  
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Pete Green, Customer Advocate

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I've been able to reproduce this. 
It seems relative to whether or not the targeted group is expanded or not. Expanded, then cmd+click creates a new group above (instead of below as a child to targeted group).
If collapsed, cmd+click creates a new group below the targeted group.

Have logged a bug.

Thanks for the report Bruce, sorry for the trouble. 

Regards,
Pete
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Bruce Jamieson

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Thanks, Pete! 

I have a lot of intricate actions that include that specific function. In PS 2019 my folder creation actions get all jumbled, which is what alerted me to the problem in the first place. I had this step recorded in an action, and the step reads as such:

Make Group
Using: Group
With Below
Name: "Group 1"

I have this step in both PS 2018 and 2019. 2018 sees the "With Below," and though I see this step exactly as I have written it above, doesn't follow the expected behavior.

Hope that helps,
Bruce
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Pete Green, Customer Advocate

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Thanks for the action detail Bruce -- for our bug and better engineering reproducibility, would you be able to record a video of what you're seeing from your end?

Maybe showing 2018 behavior, and 2019 behavior if possible.

Thank you!
Regards,
PG
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Matthew Turley

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Same issue here upon updating to CC2019, which has totally screwed up my most important actions (used for creating my retouching structure), each with dozens of steps.

Prior to CC2019, 'With below' (in my actions) added new layers/groups WITHIN the selected group, not just below it in the layer stack as it does now in 2019. There now seems to be no single command to create new layers/groups within a selected group.

Please fix ASAP!!! Thanks. 

(macOS Mojave 10.14)
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Bruce Jamieson

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I am excited to get this bug, plus the Liquify artifact bug, plus the Transform tool (bug? madness??) addressed. I've had to put aside Ps2019 in favor of 2018 for now. New features are fun, but I require reliability from my professional tools.
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Bruce Jamieson

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20.0.1 doesn't fix the problem. NUTS!
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Sorry. Hoping this one makes it into the next update.