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Mon, Mar 28, 2011 8:34 PM

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Photoshop: Where did the Lighting Effects filter go in Photoshop CS5?

I'm looking for the Lighting Effects filter under Filter > Render and I'm not seeing? Where did it go?

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9 years ago

You can still use Lighting Effects if you run Photoshop in 32bit mode.

Here are instructions on how to run Photoshop in 32bit mode.

Lighting Effects is an aging plug-in that did not make the transition to 64bit. We plan to replace it with newer, better technology in the future - similar to how we stopped development on the Extract filter in Photoshop CS4 in order to focus on replacing it with the newer, non-destructive Refine Edge technology in Photoshop CS5.

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I know this--it's just a pain to have to restart to apply the lighting. I've just been hoping that something would be done for this problem before now

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I can't find it in 32 bit. Do I need to download?

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I am on a Mac with Creative Suite Pro 5.5

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8 years ago

Here's a nice demo of the new Lighting Effects functionality in Photoshop CS6:

http://www.peachpit.com/podcasts/epis...

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9 years ago

Hi Jeff, thanks for the answer, that's what i feared (32bits, old, etc), but i'm still surprised that the effect is absent "for one version, the time you build a new one", or through 32bit... (although i understand all the technical reasons behind) Since i use it some day, and then never for 3 months or more, i hadn't noticed yet...

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It was one of those tough decisions. Not ideal for everyone in the short term, but I'm hopeful that people will see greater benefit in the long-run.

While I'm commenting, one other workaround I've heard people use is to keep CS4 around and launch it side by side (at least on the mac) so they don't need to tinker with the 32bit mode switch and keep CS5 running.

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9 years ago

:) that's what i already do with the scanner, i've got a huge app to scann my illustrations : Photoshop cs4. And a bigger one to paint on them. cs5.

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9 years ago

How to open Photoshop in 32-bit mode (Mac):

1. Close Photoshop
2. Open the Finder and find "Adobe Photoshop CS5.app" in the Applications folder
3. Go to "File > Get Info"
4. In the "General" tab near the bottom put a check in the "Open in 32-bit mode" box
5. Open Photoshop

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9 years ago

Dear Adobe Gripe #17411

"How come Lighting Effects are not included in PS CS5 on x64 Macs? Finally
stop adding fancy features if you're not able to continue traditional ones
on 2010 systems for christ's sake!"

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9 years ago

Why doesn't PS 5.5 support a 64 bit environment for all plug-ins in Mac OSX as it does (with the exception of TWAIN) on the Windows side? I work with very large files, so switching to 32 bit for lighting effects is a limitation (memory use). This is not something I would experience in a Windows environment. I believe that you have mis-represented this product. I am considering legal action against Adobe, as the Mac version is inferior to the PC version, but it is priced the same. Please respond with an explanation of how you will fix this issue or compensate Mac users for the lack of functionality in the 64 bit mode.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
"On Mac OS only, several plug-ins are no longer supported for 64-bit systems".

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See the answer above. There isn't feature parity on the Windows side either - as you note with TWAIN.

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9 years ago

It's even worse than I thought. Apparently in 32bit mode PS 5.5 can only utilize 66% of the memory that PS 4 could; See below:
http://macperformanceguide.com/Optimi...
This is completely unacceptable. By the way, TWAIN doesn't work in either version, so that IS parity, albeit of a nasty sort.
Here is a list of plug-ins that do not run in 64 bit on the Mac OS side but do on the Windows 64 bit side from Adobe's own support pages:

"Plug-ins supported in 32- and 64-bit Windows, and only 32-bit Mac OS

-Lighting Effects
-Extract (For an improved feature, choose Select > Refine Edge.)
-Variations
-Contact Sheet II (For an improved feature, create contact sheets in Adobe Bridge.)
-Web Photo Gallery (For an improved feature, create galleries in Adobe Bridge.)
-Layer Comps to WPG
-PatternMaker
-PhotoMergerUI
-Picture Package (To simulate this feature in CS5, use Smart Objects.)
-FireWire
-FireWire DLL"
Other than running in 32 bit mode for lighting and Etc., what/when is the "We plan to replace it with newer, better technology in the future" scenario going to come to fruition? I'm assuming this "fix" will be free as it will only be restoring "parity" as you like to call it.
It seems to me the the title of Customer Advocate would indicate a willingness to see things from the customer's point of view. I have not seen that here, and I've noted it's absence elsewhere in these forums.
I'm not going to let this go away quietly; I assure you. If their are any other users out there who would like to join my mini crusade to restore "parity", please comment here, and perhaps we can work together to resolve this issue through social media or otherwise. People who take time to write in these forums do so because they are looking for solutions - not just a griping space. In fact, that's why I spent almost $1500.00 on Adobe software: for solutions. I did NOT buy it with the intention of finding a problem so that I could go to a forum seeking answers only to be talked down to by some corporate policy parrot.
The bottom line here is that this product does not do for me on the Mac side what it would on the Windows side, yet it costs the same. Fix it.

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Mr. Tranberry;
I regret the harshness and the accusatory/personalizing vitriol, but I am very frustrated with the shortcoming of what might otherwise be a wonderful product.
I really am just seeking real solutions.

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I understand that. It was a tough decision for the team - but we really felt the time was better spent on modernizing these really old plug-ins.

We didn't take anything away. They still work as they did in previous versions in 32bit mode - one of our reasons for even keeping 32bit around for CS5. We just added 64-bit. The amount of time to make these aging, less used items work in 64bit wasn't viable. It was better for us to focus on the future.

What I suggest/do if I need one of these is just keep my CS4 installed. Boot it at the same time as CS5 when I need one of these - which is rare for me personally - copy/move what i need to filter and copy it back. That way I get my 64bit goodness for 99% of what I do and not have to stay running in 32bit for these lesser used functions.

Hope that helps.

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I do appreciate your replies - especially considering that I came charging out of the gates angry. However, these work-arounds are, at best, time consuming and, at worst, not possible. Some of the files I work with are too large for the (now smaller) usable memory in a 32 bit environment.
Also, I did not upgrade from CS4. I had been using CS2 on the Windows side, but that ship has sailed to the island of misfit motherboards. I made a decision to change platforms, and I'm very happy for the most part. I'm an Artist, and my brother is an industrial designer, and we have both used Adobe products for years. When he upgrades or buys new software; the huge multinational that he works for pays the bill.
My company also pays for these softwares, but the company is ME. I would do what you say with the CS4 version of PS as a halfway solution, but I simply cannot rationalize the cost. If Adobe were to offer me PS4 gratis, I would be happier. Is this a workable solution for now? I really would prefer a more elegant solution, but at least with CS/PS4 I will be able to access 3gbs of RAM in 32bit instead of the only 2gbs of RAM that CS/PS5.5 can access in 32bit.

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BTW: I use "lighting effects" with almost every single project.

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9 years ago

"Lighting Effects is an aging plug-in that did not make the transition to 64bit. We plan to replace it with newer, better technology in the future..."

Maybe this puts things in a way YOU can understand:
We've removed the turn signal on your newly purchased car. We are working on a better solution in the future. In the meantime, there is a workaround. You can use your old car. (which you just sold or traded in for new one. lol). Or you can draw an arrow on a piece of paper and hold it out the window, flipping it depending on which direction you plan to turn. Thank you for being a valued customer.

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No, that's not even close to a reasonable analogy.
The old plugin is available if you need it in CS5.

A better analogy would be: last years's car model had heated seats, but they caused problems so this years model doesn't have them. If you like, we can install the same heaters as last years model at no extra charge. And we hope to bring you better and more reliable heated seats in a future model.

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Your "heated seats" analogy is a lame attempt to downplay the importance of this plug in, which, by the way, has been around way longer than "last year's model". During that time, many artist/designers have used it and have come to rely on it for various applications. By removing it, you force me and countless others to stop our work and waste time online looking for alternative solutions like lab rats.

News flash: that is YOUR job! I already have enough to handle with mine! The stress that your company puts on us is unmeasurable, which is why I made the analogy of the turn signal in the first place. It was to illustrate the domino effect of removing something that is vital to us regardless of how little importance you might assume it has. That is ignorant, inconsiderate and irresponsible.

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As already stated: the Lighting Effects plugin was not removed, it is still available in 32 bit addressing mode.

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JayGrc, I think that Chris used that analogy because heated seats are indeed very important for people living in Alaska, but not those living in Hawaï, or in many other places during the year, while we could agree that turn signals could be gaussian blur as it fits in way more people's workflows.

And as said earlier, Lighting Effects is still there where it had always been, in Photoshop (32bits) version. It just has not been ported to the 64 bits one.

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JayGrc, we did not remove the Lighting Effects plug-in. It's there like it always has been and you can use it just like you used to.

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9 years ago

Jeffrey:
With all do respect, the name of this thread is "Photoshop: Where did the Lighting Effects filter go in Photoshop CS5?". So, others have realized, it's been removed.

"Lighting Effects is an aging plug-in that did not make the transition to 64bit. We plan to replace it with newer, better technology in the future..." -Jeffrey Tranberry (Chief Customer Advocate) According to your own people, it's been removed.

And although you/they stated that it works in 32 bit mode, this is not obvious to most, if not all, that are busy scrambling to do their work. So, from that perspective it's safe to assume that it has been removed.

Maybe you're not aware, but I and countless others, rely on Photoshop for many things. In order to do our work, we expect certain things to be where they are supposed to be when I need them. We're not afforded the luxury to sit back and waste my time on forums while you guys play hide 'n seek with your "improvements".

Do yourselves a favor and LISTEN to the end users. That is what customer service is all about.

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Jay, I get the sentiment - but to say that it's been removed is false - it's still there where it's always been. It's no longer being developed in it's current form and it's being re-engineered.

We took great care to include this information in the "Read Me" file when you install the software.

I completely understand that folks still use this plug-in, that's why we kept 32-bit support in CS5 as bridge until something better could be developed (How many times have we heard folks ask for on canvas preview or a larger than postage stamp preview?).

We could waste time porting the old version to 64bit - and not even get that done in time for the release of CS5 - and be no-where when it comes to making meaningful improvements.

It was a tough decision, but ultimately, this decision will benefit users like you who rely on Lighting Effects.

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Jeff, while I do I appreciate your response, somehow Adobe doesn't seem to understand the severity of their actions. All you have to do is take a look at any of your forums to realize this.

The so-called "Read me" files is another way of stating; "we didn't spend too much time figuring things out, so we expect you to waste you're time "reading through complex literature to figure it out. They're the equivalent of the legal mouse type on Pharma ads. Do you read those? If you do, then you have way too much time on your hands.

By the time I figure out what has changed, you come out with yet another bug ridden "improvement" with, oh my gosh, more "Read Me" files! And this is not just for Photoshop. I have to do this for Illustrator, inDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc., etc., etc.,

Somewhere in between all this "reading" we have to actually USE the software to do real work. I paid $1,400 for this CS5 upgrade and have gotten nothing but frustration.

While we're on the subject, Photoshop seems to freeze up my entire system frequently. Another great improvement to my workflow. I've loss countless hours waiting for it to "thaw". Why should I have to go through this after all I've paid??? Is Adobe going to compensate me for my loss time and money? I'm sure you have a corporate answer ready for that.

Sorry for not being as forgiving, but you don't have a clue as to what I've gone through. (HINT: the I'M PISSSSED under my icon should have been a dead giveaway).

Here's a thought. Instead of including Read Me files, why don't you just get it all figured out the first time? That way, when I pay top dollar for your next upgrade, it should work without the need for a PhD in computer Science.

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If the entire system freezes then you're looking at hardware problems or a bug in the OS or low level drivers. Applications simply cannot do that.

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Jay, I agree, we probably could have done more to make it more obvious where the 32bit only plug-ins went directly from within the app.

Your other issue with freezing isn't the norm. Are the freezes happening when you select the text tool or open images with text layers? Can you post your system info so we can look for clues what may be wrong?

Launch Photoshop. Choose Help>System Info...

Copy the info and paste it here.

Note: Photoshop System Info contains and entry with your serial number so make sure to remove the serial prior to posting.

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I'd also suggest creating a new topic for your specific freezing issue so that we can assist you on a separate topic.

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9 years ago

OK: that's enough with the analogies. There is 64 bit support on the windows side, while there is not on the Mac side, yet the products cost the same.

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9 years ago

The defensive posture that Adobe representatives continue to take on this forum is disapointing. I have started using the work-arounds, and I commend soJeff in his effort towards helping me find solutions, but this not something that we are all imagining is wrong with the the 64 bit version of the Mac OSX software.

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9 years ago

And, as I have stated before, the 64bit version utilizes as much system memory as is available, so a 64bit tool can be used on much larger files.. this is not some knit picky thing on our (your customers) part.

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9 years ago

Click the PS file, goto File -> Info. Click on 32bit. See the attached file.