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Tue, Oct 18, 2011 11:23 PM

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Photoshop: Rotate Brush Tip 'On the fly' (Keyboard shortcut, Mouse-wheel or Click + Drag)

This may seem wild, but many ideas might've seem that way when first introduced, so bare with me as I believe it would be rather sexy addition to using brushes in Photoshop.

Imagine you choose a brush tip and are ready to use it in your art. But it's not quite right and you could use the Brush Tip to rotate few degrees. So you go to your Brush Palate and Brush Tip Shape Palate and manually rotate the wheel in that Dialog Box or type the number of degrees in a Angle Box(°).
Then you go back to your art and continue using the newly set up brush. Until - you need to adjust the rotation of the Tip again, and again... you get the point.

Wouldn't it be fantastic if we can rotate the Brush Tip 'on the fly' without having to go to the brush palate over and over again, just like we can now change it's size and softness?

Perhaps Left Bracket and Right Bracket would rotate the brush Tip CCW and CW by a 1° (by 10° with Shift) or in increments you set up in Preferences?
Wouldn't that be something?
I am aware of similar function can be achieved using the Pen Tool. This idea however would be available for both, Pen and Mouse and for all Tools using Brush Tip, including Stamp (Clone) Tool.
If this is already possible and I was living in the dark, please enlighten me.

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187 Messages

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2.6K Points

7 years ago

I made the same request, lets hope Adobe listens !

187 Messages

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7 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
PHOTOSHOP: Rotate a brush with a short-cut.


Rotate a brush with a keyboard short-cut or a combination of mouse and keyboard shortcut.

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274 Points

7 years ago

Wow, someone else who gets it. I'm surprised that no one else has clued on to this technique and just how time saving it is. We need more 'stars' to be noted...other our request is just a black hole. This has been 2 years since my original and still waiting. I don't know why, because my previous copy of PS in CS2 allowed me to do so with just a cheap mouse. Strange...I was thinking about this today...wondering if it might have something to do with my much higher end Logitech. The short cuts recommended as you posted above are to me not short cuts at all. Does anybody over there ever read any of these?

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70 Points

just use the short cut rotate canvass press R paint press R paint easy

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274 Points

no good for what I need.

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390 Points

7 years ago

Thanks! I hope so. This would be a fantastic addition to brush functionality.

187 Messages

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2.6K Points

We can only hope soon, real soon. If they can update Photoshop CC at anytime, I would hope that they update Photoshop CC with a rotate brush feature, soon. It's not as though some of the JDI were not important, but of all things, you can't rotate the brush.

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314 Points

6 years ago

Being able to set shortcuts for brush rotation is still missing and still very much needed.

Something as simple as having the recording of Actions register changes to brush rotation would solve the problem. I was actually a bit surprised that it doesn't.

Chris Cox mentioned that the Art Pen is what we would want for brush rotation, but I don't really agree with that. It's impractical to have several different pens, and the Art Pen is even fatter and more unwieldy than the regular Grip Pen, so I really don't want one.

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50 Points

6 years ago

MAKE A GOD DAMN BRUSH ROTATION SHORTCUT ALREADY! IT'S BEEN 3 YEARS SINCE THE ORIGINAL REQUEST!

HOW ABOUT CTRL + ALT + SCROLL WHEEL?

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390 Points

6 years ago

I like that Adobe has added the brush rotation wheel in the brush right-click pop-up. That's a small step in the right direction. Unfortunately, this feature is only available in CC and I have CS6... That said, I still don't understand why Abobe refuses to add a shortcut to brush rotation.

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274 Points

6 years ago

I WISH ADOBE WOULD WAKE UP. WHAT'S THE HOLD-UP ON HAVING BRUSH SIZE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE SCOLL- WHELL OF MY MOUSE? IS THAT SO DIFFICULT A CONCEPT? Three (3!!!) years and counting now and not a spark of light from the Adobe shadows.

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60 Points

6 years ago

Wow Im only a week into learning photoshop and knew for certain there had to be a shortcut for rotating brush.

GUESS NOT :(

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70 Points

6 years ago

I just use the short cut rotate canvass press R paint press R paint easy

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154 Points

6 years ago

@Noel: using R doesn't work with the Intuos5 ring. If there were a proper keyboard shortcut - 3+ years and still waiting - we could assign it to the ring on the tablet and not have to interrupt our drawing while we change the angle. This would be especially useful when trying to airbrush at an angle around curves, for example.

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274 Points

6 years ago

just to reiterate: I WISH ADOBE WOULD WAKE UP. WHAT'S THE HOLD-UP ON HAVING BRUSH SIZE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE SCOLL- WHEeL OF the MOUSE? IS THAT SO DIFFICULT A CONCEPT? Three (3!!!) years and counting now and not a spark of light from the Adobe shadows.
It would be a valuable tool to have since often I have to resize the brush to a specific size on the image and this can ONLY be achieved by hOlding the brush tool in position while resizing....THINK Y'ALL HAVE THE CONCEPT NOW...THINK YOU CAN DO SOMETHING SMART ABOUT THIS? LET'S SEE RESULTS ON THESE ISSUES PLEASE.

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310 Points

6 years ago

I love that I keep getting updates to this post... angry digital artists are my people! Clearly Adobe doesn't read this/doesn't care. When it comes to revisions to their products, if they can't scream to the heavens some "kick-a**" feature that sounds super-techy and bleeding edge they don't do it. "Content aware fill"? Who was begging for that? Sorta neat under very constrained conditions, but I never use it. "Keyboard Assignable Brush Rotate" on the other hand would be very useful, yet doesn't sound very sexy. And thus we all go back to our desks and do it the way we have been. Sigh...

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195.8K Points

Clearly, you are not paying attention.
Photoshop has millions of customers, with thousands of feature requests that we need to prioritize. Just because we don't implement your favorite feature instantly does not mean that we are not paying attention - it just means that we're busy doing other things that are needed.

Actually, Content Aware fill was requested a LOT, and improvements to it were requested a LOT. (probably 1000:1 versus this request)

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274 Points

3 years waiting for something that I actually had with my PS version in CS2?...that's reasonable??? c'mon

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Yes, it is (especially since Photoshop CS2 had no such feature). We have a lot of requests on our backlog. We have to prioritize. Worse, as time goes on, we get more requests, and more bugs to fix, and more OS issues to work around or implement. You filed the request, and voted for the request. Now you need to wait for us to get to it.

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314 Points

I understand that you feel like you have to prioritize the most requested features, Chris, but I hope you also understand why people who use PS as a drawing and painting tool are frustrated. In the past, you've added features to PS that cater to us, like the erodible tips, bristle brushes, mixer brush, etc., and used it as a way to get us to buy your software. It makes us feel a little bit cheated when you give us the impression that PS is meant for us too, with features that have sadly ended up being a bit gimmicky with limited use, and we invest our time into getting proficient with your software, but the lion's share of the new features you add are aimed at other types of work.

My favorite improvement when I upgraded from CS5 to CC was actually the subtle improvement to how the brush tool handles and responds to pen pressure. It was a small change, but it made it feel more comfortable to draw, and it is a good example of a change that we've needed, but we didn't necessarily ask for or know that we wanted. So disregarding features that aren't highly requested is not necessarily the best way to go about it.

You're probably aware of it, but I feel I should remind you that it's not the PS development team's job to work off a list of most requested features, but rather understand what kind of changes are genuinely useful to your users and prioritize accordingly. Most users will probably want to request new and fancy tools, but it's often not the most important improvement to them. They just don't know that.

As for the comparison between content aware fill and adding easier brush rotation, it might be true that content aware fill is much more requested, but I'm willing to bet it also required quite a bit more work than this feature does.

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310 Points

Chris,

I think I hit a nerve by using "Content Aware Fill" as an example. I am sorry if that was something you worked on specifically. I was just trying to illustrate my point. I could have chosen a host of other neat but less useful features that have been rolled out over the years.

I am going to hazard a guess from your post, that you are frustrated at users of the software moaning and groaning on about their meager concerns, and disparaging Adobe on this site and others, when we don't have a clue how complex and difficult your job is. I get that... You guys make great software that we all need to do our jobs and that is rarely said... so let me say it now: "Photoshop is AWESOME! and thank you for making it so!"

But I very much agree with what Yngvar is saying above. Users of the app have a hard time understanding how making small improvements to the app isn't seen as easy, low-hanging fruit, that could help everyday users. As opposed to making whole new features that few even had the imagination to know they wanted.

I really loved Snow Leopard (10.6) on Mac because Apple said "no new features" and just improved what was already there. I've dreamed that Adobe might try a similar approach. Making the brush rotation a hot-key is not really a new feature as much as an improvement to what is already there.

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390 Points

Nailed it, Yngvar!

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195.8K Points

We add features for many different users all the time. But we aren't always going to add your current favorite feature immediately -- we can't, because we have too many different types of users and way too many requests. (honestly, my personal TODO list for Photoshop is over 30 pages, and growing)

You've made the request, you've voted for it -- good. The more people who vote for a feature request, the more often we hear a request from different sources, or the more people who provide good explanations for why they need it - the higher priority it will get And yes, we try to know how our users work and weight the requests and needs of all our users accordingly (which isn't easy when you have millions of users and thousands of requests, plus bugs, OS changes, hardware changes, etc. to deal with every release). Product management wants lists, and they work from lists. The engineers prefer to work with customers, and try to keep the lists reasonable.

But throwing a fit and proclaiming "they obviously don't love us anymore" when you don't get your favorite feature immediately and other users get new features is really childish. Also, it detracts from the apparent validity of the request (it isn't easy to take those requesters seriously - and all caps and misspellings kinda don't help either). Plus, trying to tell professional engineers how easy something must be... doesn't help your case. That ranks right there with armchair quarterbacks and the guys who said "go to moon, pick up rock, how hard could that be?".

No, I did not work on content aware fill - but I know how much that functionality was requested by many different customer segments. And I know how fun the image processing and math is to make it work, much less make it work in a reasonable amount of time. I'm glad we finally got that feature in and are continuing to make improvements on it. And I'm seeing it used by an awful lot of customers in different market segments.

Every release, we get in a lot of customer requested features, plus a lot of little JDI features, and a ton of bug fixes (plus OS and hardware compatibility stuff that isn't always obvious). But we can't do everything instantly. And we can't get something for every customer segment every time (even if we could identify all the unique customer segments). We have to prioritize, we have to figure out what we can do in the available time that will help the most users. Unfortunately, that won't always be your feature request. But your request is there, and we will try to get to it. Don't get impatient, just get more votes and good explanations about why the feature is needed (especially what real problem it will solve, or how it can help you work better or faster). And especially don't throw a temper tantrum when a new release don't include your feature -- we just haven't gotten to it yet.

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314 Points

You probably read a lot of posts on these forums where people seem upset and frustrated with you, and I understand how that can skew your view of our posts toward having the impression we're throwing a temper tantrum, but please don't assume that we are. I can only speak for myself, but I was only trying to bring up points I think are valid as calmly and well-articulated as I'm able to. I'm not sure how I can better convey that with text alone.

Also, to be fair, it has been years since this feature was requested, so I don't think it's entirely fair to accuse us of being impatient and expecting things to happen straight away.

If your to-do lists are long enough to take years to get through, maybe you ought to look into increasing the size of your development team? Maybe even assign different software engineers to each specific user group? This way everyone will see improvements to the tools they use, and you avoid having some user groups feeling left out. I realize this is easier said than done, but if we were to avoid suggesting things that are easier said than done, I imagine the whole feature request section of the forum would be empty. :)

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You might want to read "The Mythical Man Month" -- larger teams tend to slow things down, not speed them up (and this has been proven many times). We do divide work among subteams who target different areas and customer segments -- but there are too many customer segments for Photoshop to possibly assign a team per segment. We do what we can, but we aren't going to have something for everyone in every release. And just because one particular feature is your favorite, does not mean that it is highest in priority when compared against every other feature request from every other customer segment.

Again, you have registered your request and votes - now you need to wait until we have a chance to address your request.

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390 Points

6 years ago

Glad to see that this thread is still active, though I'm disappointed that Adobe has yet to implement. It's even more infuriating because when they do implement it it will be in CC and I have CS6.

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274 Points

6 years ago

Sorry, but either you or I are missing something, because I have my old CS2 copy here and it allowed me to do that...so why is that feature lost to you?....I noticed its loss immediately upon first use of my CS5 Extd version. Maybe it's hidden in my new version and no one will tell me where the 'switch' is...