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410 Points

Tue, Oct 7, 2014 10:47 AM

Photoshop: Move Tool - Toggle auto select shortcut changed

Hello. The changed shortcuts to toggle the autoselection of layers with the move tool selected is highly frustrating to me. I used to have a great workflow with auto select turned on and used cmd to drag elements that were either off-canvas or too small / too transparent to grab them. Now it seems to be inverted: I need to turn auto select off to toggle with cmd. When it is turned on, cmd seems to toggle now between layer and group auto selection.
I can't understand why this was changed or is at least not something I can switch between in the preferences.

Thanks you very much for looking into this.

Michael Heins

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120 Points

6 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Control key for move tool toggle behaviour.

The new Control key toggle between Auto Select Layer, Auto Select Group raises a lot of problems and it's really not as useful as it was previously.
Having many layers I use the Auto-Select option. I select my layer and then hold Control to drag it (works perfectly for really small layers). But now, holding control selects the whole group. Not even the closest parent, but the top one (this is not useful as many designers keep things tidy by having groups within groups).
As a designer who's been using PS for over 15 years, this is the first time I am completely dissatisfied with an interface change (I even tolerated the changing of the shortcut key for blur&smudge tool), the first time I am complaining.
Please change it back or find another solution, or give us a checkbox to tick to revert back.

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72 Points

Totally agree. I have never complained about a feature change ever but this is near intolerable. They've siad they're rolling it back, but when? Not soon enough, that's for sure.

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222 Points

6 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Temporary auto-select toggling with CMD key gone in PS 2014.2.1.

Up until Photoshop CC 2014 you could press the command key on a mac to temporarily toggle-on or toggle-off auto-select.

Since 2014.2.1 the auto-select checkmark was replaced with a button with the following alt-text: "Automatically select a group or a layer when clicking on a visible pixel". With that change, it seems the old toggle functionality has been lost.

Please re-incorporate that feature, it was really great...

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220 Points

6 y ago

Is there any timeframe for rolling back this feature to behave like it always did? I would really like to know when we'll get our usable version back in place. This is unusable for me as well.

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220 Points

6 y ago

I got the next PS2014 CC update today and this is still not fixed. Please (please) revert or at least give us an option to make it like before:

With 'Autoselect Layer' checked:

CMD/Ctrl+Drag should lock onto the selected layer allowing to move the layer even when the cursor is off of the object.

This is how it always was and is a major setback to have to try and work differently. (I don't need the CMD to toggle between Autoselect Layer/Group, instead CMD/Ctrl should lock onto the selected layer while dragging around the canvas. Like it always was! (Keep the legacy).

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195.8K Points

Photoshop hasn't had an update since 15.2.1.
Are you confusing the Camera Raw 8.7 update with a Photoshop update?

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110 Points

Chris, You know nothing :)

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60 Points

6 y ago

This toggle update is dramatically messing with common practice workflow. Really really need to know this will be updated soon. Major failure of Photoshop team to leave dedicated users hanging for over a month. When is the next update??

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220 Points

6 y ago

Chris - Highly appreciate your being here. As to the version question, I came in yesterday and there were CC updates on my cloud screen ready for download on like 4 apps - 1 of them was Photoshop. So looks like I just didn't have the latest versions on this Mac yet. Looking forward to the next one, and let me know if I can help at all with this toggle change issue, thanks in advance!

My system info reads:

Adobe Photoshop Version: 2014.2.1 20141014.r.257 2014/10/14:23:59:59 CL 987299 x64
Operating System: Mac OS 10.10.1

Thanks for your reply!

- Uri

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104 Points

6 y ago

Just got an update, no fix yet : /

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100 Points

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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220 Points

From what they just said there's no new update yet so don't fret (yet). If you look at the version number you should still see the old number. In my case I think had to 're-update' but its not a new update. I got CC including PS updates yesterday but I think it was because I applied a new mac OS update (most likely was the case).

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100 Points

Yeah, I can't seem to find any update since Oct 6. Not through my creative cloud panel, and not on their site either.

Adobe Administrator

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Quit and restart your Creative Cloud app. There was a Camera Raw update earlier this week. The update to fix this issue is forthcoming.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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150 Points

6 y ago

I hope this auto-select toggle on cmd is just a simple bug and not a change of behaviour. This is killing my productivity

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194 Points

You'll see from the comments above that this behavior was changed (on purpose!!) as of 2014.2.1. We're hoping they switch it back to what's it's been for the all previous versions.

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100 Points

If they want it to be a new feature, fine, as long as they give us a way to disable it in the preferences.

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150 Points

Exactly. it is slowing down my workflow ... A LOT actually... Can't believe these guys took a feature like that out... this is unbelievable.

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144 Points

6 y ago

almost 2 month... my progress is kinda slow because of this thing.. it affect my earning of my project.., I need to work harder than before because of multiple layer and small object, I got late submission, I got low earning for this month.. I am not loving what I am doing.. this is sad making me harder and harder..

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90 Points

6 y ago

I don't belive what I read here! I'm shocked. HOW HOW HOW did you do this? the brilliant idea owner, I'm asking you; DO YOU USE PHOTOSHOP?!?!?!?!? I'm telling you, I need a f*ckn update moron! and go your home and try to play your self not this!!!

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Hahaha wow.
This comment is hilarious.
While I too am equally flabbergasted at the change to the move tool, I'm also mature enough not to childishly insult Adobe employees.
This behavior isn't going to help us get what we need. Think twice, please.

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220 Points

Yeah I wasn't sure how Adobe even lets that type of outrage on the forum. I guess they're big on free speech lol. Agreed though, you will never get what you want by screaming.

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90 Points

Yes, sorry for that. But that day....OMG, I don't want to live like it again in my office. Whole day wasted to fix documents, I've tried to downgrade etc. and then tried to fix document on current version. But, after that crisis I've decided to learn new tool and I think I work with that.

The only problem now, when you on other tools instead of Move(V), if you press the CTRL it doesn't select layer/group. You have to be on Move tool to select a layer or group when you press the CTRL. This is only problem now in my PS life.

And, there will be definitely a toggle on preferences. I hope so for the new and old move tool behaviour.

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220 Points

Cool thanks for following up... I think most people wouldn't need a toggle in preferences, we just want to have it back like it always was (or at the very least a way to toggle it back). Adobe usually doesn't change legacy operations like this.

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3.7K Points

Right on. I understand that.
When I found out the move tool's behavior had been changed I was also furious. More so than I'd like to admit.

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90 Points

6 y ago

HOW CAN I DONWGRADE PHOTOSHOP?!?

Adobe Administrator

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Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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thankyou.

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120 Points

6 y ago

Bear in mind that if you downgrade you'll get the PS version in which you can select layers even if they're locked or hidden (try moving something and you get the error).

So you'll have to decide which one will affect your workflow more.

I chose to downgrade.

Employee

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2.5K Points

6 y ago

Hi Uri,

When you see there are updates in the CC desktop app, you can click on the 'What's New?' to see a little blurb about the update.



regards,
steve

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220 Points

Thanks SG. It would also be helpful to see the version number near the App name somehow, like "Photoshop CC (2014 1.2)."

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3.7K Points

6 y ago

Please change the move tool's behavior back!
(or add a toggle switch in pref's but who would ever use it?)

At first I thought I had a bug and restarted Photoshop.
Then I realized the move tool had in fact had its behavior changed.

I cannot stress this enough: the change was a very bad idea.
To non-power users it may seem like a small issue, but to me it has greatly altered how Photoshop feels to use, for the worse.
The move tool is my "hands" when editing projects and it's like my thumbs have been cut off now. The user experience feels AWFUL.

I did try to adjust to it, thinking maybe I am just accustomed to how I've been doing things for over a decade and not willing to change. But, no, I cannot adjust to this change.

The way it handicaps your workflow is absolutely undeniable.

Please, PLEASE change it back.

Last thing: before random, subjective "improvements" are made to Photoshop, is there a place we real users can go to cast a vote on possible changes/new features -before- implementation?
I'm interested in helping prevent things like this from happening in the future and am willing to spend my personal time to do so.

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62 Points

6 y ago

has been a few month now.., Please change this behavior back.. please... I am not satisfied at all.. I am so disappointing like want to kill my self.. please.. do something, I begging you please .... :'((((