Photoshop: Mirror Paint/Symmetric/Seamless Tile Paint Function

I'm curious as to why you all think Photoshop proper needs a tiling function so badly. You've pointed to Krita, which looks interesting. It's free, it's open source, and it has PSD support. You can create 1000 tiles, convert them to patterns in PS, and now you've still got to organize and preview your .pat files better than Photoshop currently can. If Photoshop concentrated first on making it easier to work with our presets/assets, gave us the ability to preview our preset asset files before we load them, gave us the ability to keep them organized in separate sets, that would be a boon to everyone.

I was very underwhelmed by the Oil Paint filter, but Adobe did respond by putting it back in. So they obviously care about what enough people say they want that if the resources aren't too great to provide it, they will.

Unfortunately for me, I think it's Adobe's primary function to provide us with the best interface for working with our assets and presets possible, and to provide us with editing features that no one else provides at both a reasonable price and Photoshop compatibility. However, those features take a LOT of resources and time, so to me, adding a better tiling feature or the Oil Paint filter, easy as it may be to do, only takes away resources from them improving the workspace and adding more functions like Shake Reduction, improving a lighting effects filter, making Content Aware more aware—functions that aren't readily available out there for a reasonable price.

A bit of a rant, I know, but there's no "No" vote button, and apparently it IS under consideration, so I'm hoping Adobe reads this message, too.

> They've switched to a subscription service because they understand that they arn't making enough changes to the program that people want to upgrade>

Maybe so. More likely to try to make up, financially, for being so pervasively used illegally. But I don't think we give up asking for what we want. If painting is to go anywhere inside PS, then it needs to have a system for cloning from photos or other sources that's as easy as it is in Painter. And they've always had a need for seamless tiling for textures and patterns, as well as a way to do symmetry painting, I fully agree.

I think part of the problem for us PS users stems from having an overall direction from Adobe, not the PS team itself, that may be the result of their marketing research into what the folks want in general, but leaves a lot of our long-standing wishes for Photoshop proper going nowhere.

Those of us who were here even before the whole Creative Suite, let alone Creative Cloud, can remember that we knew when we bought Photoshop that it was a professional application and that we were going to have to slog through it learning how to use it. No pandering to beginners, period. But apparently the top brass and their marketing research has shown that people would love to use PS if only it were easier. So there's been a big push to make some features, like the New Document dialog, easier for beginners, although I'm not sure how it is easier, but apparently icons and templates do make it easier for them. 

My first Adobe software was PageMaker and I did use some templates gladly,  so they could be right. In the process of making it easier, I think they made it more difficult for advanced users, and that's something they need to watch out for. The LR team did that with their Import dialog that they ended up abandoning, because thinking only of beginners and believing that whatever they do will also work for advanced users, can quickly become a failed concept.

There's also been a strong move to support the Cloud part of Creative Cloud, and features that take advantage of being able to push to and pull from the Cloud have taken a fair bit of each team's resources to implement. I think that also comes from marketing, but computing with the Cloud as the intermediary is still fairly new, especially coming up with those features, such as CC Libraries, which  benefit more than the crowd that does all their publishing on Instagram.

Trying to do what mobile apps were doing to interest more people, and at the same time, benefiting professional desktop customers, I doubt is an easy proposition. I know some professionals who absolutely love all the mobile apps. I know many more who find CC Libraries a real benefit, and would like to see them continue to make them more powerful and better organized. So I think there again, marketing and the Adobe boardroom got some of this right.

What they haven't done, at least in our current releases, is advance Photoshop's workspace/asset/preset organization, its painting, or much at all with image editing, although their attempt to get S&M right shows they do mean to. S&M just appears to be a more difficult issue than they anticipated. They have advanced Type features, although they still have a long way to go. They've improved artboards, which benefits web designers (and myself, actually), although they've had some trouble getting their web-related export features to work flawlessly and also have all the function of SFW. I'm sure I could go on. IMO, their Layers panel functions are the best of any, and they are expanding on the promise of the Properties panel, if slowly.

I believe it's a good idea to try to remember these things for two reasons— if we remember what they have done, even when it isn't what each of us individually can incorporate in our own workflows, we remember that some features are getting much better, much more useful — and more importantly, we don't say we might as well give up. Not if we're going to keep using the software. Give up if you think Affinity Photo will do everything you need at a lower cost and better, but otherwise, keep hounding them. They do read this stuff and try to come up with a list of priorities that will benefit most of their customers some of the time.

I want Adobe to double Photoshop's team, but then I also think they should triple Illustrator's, and I'm sure the Premiere Pro folk would say the same.<G> It's not gonna happen. But if we say to each other "give up," it's never going to happen. We need the numbers on our side. We need the votes to move it into a slot that hopefully will make it a feature within this decade. In the meantime for painting, a lot of people still have Painter, and it still exports PSD files. And if you want to read what people think about Painter with each release, they have a forum for that. It's not pretty, I can tell you, and it's anything but cheap.

I would need realtime symmetry, exactly like in Sketchbook pro. Add also radial symmetry with several angles. Can't believe that this feature was not implemented all these years....

after years of waiting and getting these fundamental features for photoshop blocked, because some people in photoshop think "there is no big demand for this", i have to say:

Forget it guys.

Photoshop has missed the route for digital painters completely.
Everybody take a look at what Clip Paint Studio is doing, it is like a photoshop for digital painters and has ALL the features we have been longing for so much.

good bye photoshop!

> after years of waiting and getting these fundamental features for photoshop blocked, because some people in photoshop think "there is no big demand for this", i have to say:
Forget it guys.>

Well. . . that's what voting is for—if people bother to come here to vote, it must be important to a lot more who don't even know this site exists. I'm pretty sure Adobe figures it that way—every vote here does count, even if it doesn't mean we get what we want on our preferred timeline. Heck, that's pretty much a given.<G>

> Clip Paint Studio>

I've been using Corel Painter almost as long as I've been using Photoshop. But I am in Photoshop for the powerful image editing and compositing features it has, so I also like to use their brushes. I especially enjoy using dynamic brushes in PS. Clip Studio Paint (I just looked it up—forgot the name but I've looked at the site before) is for a type of illustration I'm not interested in. If I were, if I did Manga or an illustrative art form similar to that, and didn't use Photoshop for a lot of other reasons, I could perhaps switch—or for about the same price, just keep on using Corel Painter (upgrade pricing) for a lot of different painterly styles.

But I'd prefer to keep the pressure on Photoshop to expand their capabilities, especially since I'm going to be using it anyway, like many of its brushes features, and if it won't suit for everything, other apps aren't as suitable for ways I do use Photoshop's brushes. 

I'd very much like symmetry when drawing/painting in PS. I can draw in AI with symmetry using Astute Graphics software, and enjoy doing so, but of course, that's vector and has to be converted in PS in order to use PS brushes with it. I also would like to see something better in the way of clone painting, but so far, only Painter is greatly improving on that.

That I can go to other programs to solve problems isn't going to make me give up on getting Photoshop to incorporate it IF I think it's a good match for Photoshop's own existing feature set, though.

That's cool. I love Kritas paint continuation for painting. Basically as you paint off canvas it wraps to the other side in a continua motion. Allowing the ability to create tiles

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled PHOTOSHOP - A pattern-preview or tile-preview to create seamless patterns.

A pattern-preview or tile-preview to create seamless patterns or tiles would be cool for Webdesigns and Game-Artwork. You might work on your tile and watch it changing in an 3x3 field.
Now possible with linked smart-Objects?

This feature would be so beneficial with the nitty-gritty and seams in game art.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Seamless painting / wrap-around mode / tiled texture drawing.

The mirrored painting option that came out this past year was
appreciated but a little lacking since it's just shy of giving people
the option to paint tiled patterns. I've found people requesting this
feature for the past 10 years. It would be extremely useful for game
designers, textile artists, graphic designers, you name it.

There
should be an option (probably just an addition to the existing mirrored
painting feature, where if the brush passes through one side of the
canvas, it emerges from the opposite side, thus creating an instantly
tiled image that can be modified in real time.

The only current
workaround is to keep using the offset tool which is especially
un-helpful for images that need to lock into one another.

Several
free painting applications have this feature and it's been around for
at least 5 or 6 years now in Corel Painter. Just don't see why Photoshop
can't get around to this, especially since they went through the
trouble of adding the mirrored painting feature.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Tiled/grid/wrap around mode in symmetry for painting seamless textures.



Please add this simple mode that is crucial for stylized art and texture artist. It's similar to "New Tiled Painting from Layer" but not working in 3D mode. Also adding a funciton like "Texture Repetition" (infinite filled workspace with tilled texture) from Substance Designer would be helpful. 

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop: Wrap around mode/drawing.

Can you add wrap around mode in Photoshop? I mean when you draw to one side and continue from opposite side. Something like this.

It would be useful in making textures.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Could we get a way to make seamless patterns editable in realtime?.

Could we get a way to make seamless patterns editable in realtime? The symmetry option available is already very close to what I'm looking for, but I don't want only symmetry, I want a way to see how my design will *tile* as I'm drawing out the pattern on the fly.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled toolkit for creating seamless patterns.

Automatically creating a seamless pattern is not
that hard, right? You don’t need a neural network for that. You only need to
conduct a couple of transformations while accounting for edges. Many people
will be happy to have this function! (video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pleQosNhGY&t=1494s)