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Fri, May 2, 2014 6:15 PM

Photoshop: Introducing scale the UI 200% for high-density displays for Windows

The Photoshop team welcomes your feedback on this experimental feature. Let us know what you think!

Photoshop user interface controls may appear small and hard-to-read on high-density displays. Also, on touch-enabled screens, you may have trouble clicking the smaller controls. 200% scaling solves this issue by doubling the size of the user interface.

Since the user interface elements increase in size by 200%, depending on the size and resolution of your display, you may need to adjust the layout of existing workspaces. For example, on a 1080 px screen at 200%, the Tools panel extends off the bottom of the screen. You can change to double-column orientation in order to fit the panel on the screen.

Note: This feature is only for Windows users. HiDPI on Mac has been available for high-density Retina displays since Photoshop CS6.

Caveats

You may encounter some cosmetic issues while using this feature. While many Photoshop dialogs have been reworked so that they fit on the screen at 1080 px, viewing some dialogs (such as Smart Sharpen) completely may require you to collapse sections.

Disable 200% UI scaling

If you need to return to the default 100% scaling, do the following:

1. Select Preferences > Experimental Features.
2. Deselect Scale UI 200% For High-Density Displays (Windows Only).
3. Restart Photoshop.

Responses

43 Messages

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664 Points

6 years ago

Does this experimental feature not work for Camera Raw or Bridge?

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No. Bridge and ACR are developed by other teams, and it will take time to integrate all the changes made by the Photoshop team.

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664 Points

Thanks for answering. I officially give up and will quit. I had held out until today. Thanks again for your response.

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606 Points

Yes, I agree The HiDPi is needed as well in Bridge...I hope they are already working on this, if not my 24" 4k display is completely useless ....

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70 Points

The Interface was fine on the "Medium Option" of my 1900x1200 Monitors (x2). I then went exploring and "Experimented" with the "Experimental 200% Option"................It was Too "Big" so I turned it off. I am now having issues.............everything is really tiny........even on the "Large Option".............Dddddoooowwww!!!!

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60 Points

200% is too big size for 2560 x 1600 resolution 30 inches monitor. I think, that 150% will be a better solution.

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60 Points

I agree with what others are saying - great to have this feature at last but.... I have a 25in 2560 x 1,440 display - 200dpi is too big and standard is too small. Please add 150% or even better - custom input!

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Again, we are continuing to work with Microsoft on the issues that need to be resolved in order to allow more flexible UI scaling on Windows.

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60 Points

Please do this quickly! More flexibility, please!

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We can only move as quickly as Microsoft allows - they control Windows.

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60 Points

If you used native Windows UI there would be no problem and it would just scale along with the UI. Unfortunately now we're ten years into HD displays and we're still working with a very poorly scaling Photoshop...

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92 Points

CC 2014 how come do not see the experimental features and scale UI 200%

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After the feature was complete, the control is now found under Preferences > Interface... UI Scaling.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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100 Points

After preferances>interface, I do not see a UI scaling. Can only see IU font size and IU language where the font size is already at 'large'

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100 Points

I can't us Photoshop CS6 because on my Surface Book makes the UI too small. UI Scaling is not shown in Preference>Interface... Help

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140 Points

I find it astonishing that the last time this topic was raised under any relative circumstance, was a year, or more, ago...

I thought the UI was nearly illegible when I started using monitors with a resolution of 2560 x 1600; which, was when I upgraded to Adobe CS5.5 Design Premium Suite.

There was no "fix" available at the time even though the monitor resolutions and the version of CS (Which I had upgraded regularly since version 2.0) were both available standards. 

I refused to upgrade to CS 6.0 as I felt that going from 5.0 to 5.5 didn't really justify the expense. Now that everything Adobe is CC, or if you don't have access to the Internet you are pretty much out of luck since you never really purchase a program, but rather pay "rent" for using one. Even Light Room is now unusable unless you are logged on to Adobe Cloud. 

My point, or my question, is how can it be that after spending thousands of dollars over the years in Adobe software, because I find that CS 5.5 meets my needs, I cannot use a 4K monitor as it runs at a resolution of 3840 x 2160 and if I thought 2560 x 1600 was small on a 30" screen, try a 4K panel.

Why is it that Adobe CS5.5 (Except for Acrobat) does not provide for something as basic as the scaling of the UI? I am using Windows 10 Pro, Creator's Edition, and every other program either scales based on the Window's setting or has the ability to allow the user to define what size or percentage best meets their needs.

Am I the only individual that is still using Adobe CS 5.5? Or, for that matter CS6.0 since it does scale but only 200% which, from what I have read, is way too big. Has everyone who ever purchased Adobe CS5.5 or earlier versions, tossed their software in the garbage or maybe only use 24" monitors with 1080 resolutions and nothing else?

I have spent hours going through questions and answers from both Adobe and other users, and unless I am missing something in the maelstrom of inquiries on this subject, if I want to stay with CS 5.5 and want to use a 4K monitor, I am simply out of luck?

Adobe is supposed to be the “standard” for graphic software solution and yet, a program like CS5.5 is only adequate up to HD TV resolutions (1080)?

I had hoped for a long time (Since I was told I was out of luck when I purchased CS5.5 and a 30” monitor with a resolution of 2560 x 1600) that someone at Adobe would come up with a patch to address this issue; but maybe Adobe prefers to hold their customers hostage.

If I missed something, I would be grateful for some assistance; I would love to use CS5.5 on my new 4K monitor.  

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140 Points

I find it astonishing that the last time this topic was raised under any relative circumstance, was a year, or more, ago...

I thought the UI was nearly illegible when I started using monitors with a resolution of 2560 x 1600; which, was when I upgraded to Adobe CS5.5 Design Premium Suite.

There was no "fix" available at the time even though the monitor resolutions and the version of CS (Which I had upgraded regularly since version 2.0) were both available standards. 

I refused to upgrade to CS 6.0 as I felt that going from 5.0 to 5.5 didn't really justify the expense. Now that everything Adobe is CC, or if you don't have access to the Internet you are pretty much out of luck since you never really purchase a program, but rather pay "rent" for using one. Even Light Room is now unusable unless you are logged on to Adobe Cloud. 

My point, or my question, is how can it be that after spending thousands of dollars over the years in Adobe software, because I find that CS 5.5 meets my needs, I cannot use a 4K monitor as it runs at a resolution of 3840 x 2160 and if I thought 2560 x 1600 was small on a 30" screen, try a 4K panel.

Why is it that Adobe CS5.5 (Except for Acrobat) does not provide for something as basic as the scaling of the UI? I am using Windows 10 Pro, Creator's Edition, and every other program either scales based on the Window's setting or has the ability to allow the user to define what size or percentage best meets their needs.

Am I the only individual that is still using Adobe CS 5.5? Or, for that matter CS6.0 since it does scale but only 200% which, from what I have read, is way too big. Has everyone who ever purchased Adobe CS5.5 or earlier versions, tossed their software in the garbage or maybe only use 24" monitors with 1080 resolutions and nothing else?

I have spent hours going through questions and answers from both Adobe and other users, and unless I am missing something in the maelstrom of inquiries on this subject, if I want to stay with CS 5.5 and want to use a 4K monitor, I am simply out of luck?

Adobe is supposed to be the “standard” for graphic software solution and yet, a program like CS5.5 is only adequate up to HD TV resolutions (1080)?

I had hoped for a long time (Since I was told I was out of luck when I purchased CS5.5 and a 30” monitor with a resolution of 2560 x 1600) that someone at Adobe would come up with a patch to address this issue; but maybe Adobe prefers to hold their customers hostage.

If I missed something, I would be grateful for some assistance; I would love to use CS5.5 on my new 4K monitor.  

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202 Points

6 years ago

Hi i love the 200% and it ́s in the right way. but i have an hp 13" 2560x1440 resolution and it seems that ~150% would be the sweetspot. Hope it will be som option for that later on. keep up the good work.

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82 Points

I totally agree. The big targets are intoxicating! But I also have two 2560 x 1440 monitors, at 27 inches. 150% would be right on the money.

Adobe did the right thing, giving us a choice. The text and targets at 100% scaling were microscopic light gray on a darker gray background. Brutal. Lord only knows what it looked like on a 4k monitor.

So, ideally, I think it would be:
100% scaling for most people (1080p or less)
150% for 2560 x 1440 or 2560 x 1600 monitors
200% scaling for 4k monitors.

Kudos, though, for the 200% feature. I'm so happy.

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160 Points

Yes, 150% would be better for 27" 2560x1440. Some work areas/dialog boxes exceed screen size and cannot be re-sized. 'Save for Web' is one of them. Would like Bridge to allow larger fonts as well.

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130 Points

The original size of the text interface is way too small for me to read easily.  I appreciate the 200% size, but that makes things just a little too large and the interface seems a little blurry and clumsy.  I agree that 150% would very likely be a perfect size.  But better yet, why not make it scalable.  If that's not an option, at least offer a few sizes between 100% and 200%, such as 125%, 150%, 175%, and 200%, to give people with varying visual acuity the opportunity to optimize the interface for them individually. 

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See Jeanne's official reply. You can download a prerelease version if you want to try out a 150% that will be available in a future update

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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130 Points

A future upset? :)  Thanks, I'd like to try that out.

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Update. Grr. Autocorrect.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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140 Points

6 years ago

My resolution is 1208 x 1024 and accidentally clicked this new size and I can not reverse because the dialog does not fit on the monitor, please help me

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780 Points

If you are unable to change Preferences as stated at the end of the first post above, resetting preferences might work. Hold down Shift Alt Ctrl immediately after starting Photoshop. Good luck

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2.5K Points

Resetting the preferences won't remove this option. It gets stored in a registry key.

I see Marcos figured out how to disable using the keyboard (see below).

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150 Points

6 years ago

Works good on my HP 13 inch qhd screen. But Nick software latest update does not. It is not Nick as it works fine if launched from Lightroom. Could this be fixed ?

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Did you reinstall the Nik/Google plugins for Photoshop CC 2014?

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150 Points

Yes I did. I had to as it did not show up any more after CC 2014 installation. I also made sure I got their latest one on the web site.

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304 Points

6 years ago

Oh my, impossible to read new size text even on large. 200% too big for my screen. PLEASE go back to old size!

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140 Points

1 open PS
2 go to Preferences > Experimental Features
3 press TAB 2 TIMES
4 press SPACE
5 press TAB MORE 3 TIME
6 press ENTER

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140 Points

Or:
f you are unable to change Preferences as stated at the end of the first post above, resetting preferences might work. Hold down Shift Alt Ctrl immediately after starting Photoshop.

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80 Points

Marcos ~ EXCELLENT SOLUTION!! Thank you!! Your first solution worked for me after repeated and unsuccessful attempts at using Shift Alt Ctrl.

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304 Points

By old size, I meant text and menus that one can actually read. I have WIN7 and 1920 x 1080 display and cant read them and 200% far too big. Thanks.

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174 Points

I also have this problem with 200% and 100% the font is very small.

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80 Points

Experimental Features , doesn't appeared at all UI only have the text size of S,M,L , but even "L" is selected still very small on the screen 

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UI scaling is under Preferences > Interface in current version of Photoshop CC

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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150 Points

6 years ago

Linda, you can go back to the old size by just not clicking the 200% option

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150 Points

6 years ago

Any feed back on my issue of having Nick Software too small while using the experimental 200% fetaure in Photoshop CC 2014 ?

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128 Points

6 years ago

From my research Adobe Photoshop has been having trouble with UI sizing for over 3 yrs.( just Google "Windows HiDPI monitors") about 9 screens and growing on Adobe's site.

The new Experimental Features on PS is a good first step however... only if you own a 4K monitor ! ??

The above threads already covered why 200% does not work for main stream monitors ... ok, almost work on some monitor resolutions. I am using multiple 1920 x1200 displays, no work space left after setting EF to 200%.

- 2560x1600 better at 150% 100 or 200 what happen to 150 125... ?
- 4K it works ... only small install base maybe 2% ??

After loading PS 2014, I noticed that the font size for the file menu - pull down was set to small (same size as title bar ??). ( hard to see on 1920x1080 monitor)
- Windows 8.1
- PS - UI setting set to large - prefs
- Windows - setting display to 125% text

Note: So new feature not mentioned in Adobe PS 2014 - Windows 7/8.1 setting under display (125%) no longer modifies PS font size for pull down menus ??
- PS CC works on Windows 7/8.1
- CS6 PS works on Windows 7/8.1

Ok guys - Product Group, Product Marketing, System test and managers of those groups. What happened to testing products before they release ?

If you are going to add features that break other functionality do not do it or a least put it the release notes... like I said earlier 98% of your base are not using 4K monitors ???

In closing PS is a great tool, I not sure why it takes so long ( 3yrs of reported issues) to rewrite code, when some of the other Adobe Suite products seem to follow windows display sizing or you have added a UI Interface feature. Microsoft is not the main problem, you have other solutions.

Adobe is a great company and produces excellent products, so groups manager please take some time to focus your teams to fix these UI sizing issues and provided a more detailed information source for user reference.

Case # 185629992

Thanks
Phil Graham

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Please see the original topic - we spent a long time working with Microsoft to get the OS APIs fixed, and to find workarounds for OS APIs that could not be fixed quickly.

Also, this feature is experimental for a reason - it is not yet complete. And we are continuing to work with Microsoft to get things working as they should.

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128 Points

Chris,

Thanks for the followup, still a bit of a grey area. This still does not explain why PS 2014 does not except Windows display text size changes and PS CC does.

Please review attached link - http://gsfn.us/t/4jrwg then follow the threads. I have some other questions and examples under the right topic.

Thanks

Phil Graham

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Because you're using an API that applies to applications that don't scale, and Photoshop CC 2014 does scale if the preference is enabled.

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180 Points

My question was merged here.
Installed CS6 in a new dell inspiron 15 computer. When CS6 opens, the text in the UI is so small it is impossible to read. There is no experimental option. Under edit/preferences/interface it says interface it UI font large.
I need to continue to use PS for my work, but it is impossible to use.
How do I fix this bug?

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Yes, CS6 was written before high resolution displays were available on Windows, and long before Microsoft worked out issues with the OS UI scaling code.

Photoshop added a 200% UI Scaling feature on Windows in CC 2014.

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180 Points

I don't know what to do to use CS6?

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CS6 doesn't have the UI Scaling feature. To use get UI Scaling for high res displays on Windows, you need to use Photoshop CC 2014 or later.

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270 Points

6 years ago

Hi, is this feature going to be retro-fitted to older versions? I have Photoshop CS5 and Dreamweaver CS6 and am not really over the moon about potentially having to upgrade in order to make these programs usable again.... thx

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No, this is a feature for new versions of software. Obsolete versions of the software will not get new features.

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Hi, thx. Interesting that Adobe consider CS6 to be obsolete when it's still on sale and I only paid for an upgrade to it this time last year. At what point did CS6 become obsolete? It's also a shame that £700 of software, whilst fully functional in all other respects, can become obsolete due to an increase in screen resolution. Quite a statement from a company that is supposedly a leader in image software ;)

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270 Points

Interestingly enough, when I asked about an upgrade from Photoshop CS5 to CS6 about 4 months ago, there was no mention of it being obsolete at that time either and Adobe seemed quite prepared to take my money... Seems a little underhand

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like

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270 Points

6 years ago

Btw, both apps (PS5 and DW6) both work great on a 3200x1800 screen on Win8

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270 Points

6 years ago

Quote from David Wadhwani Apr 2013 - "For those who don't like the subscriptions, the Creative Suite 6 software released last year "is a reasonable alternative," he said. "We'll continue to sell it and continue to maintain it. Over time we hope to win these customers over through innovation and strong execution."

Quite an about turn since then to now consider CS6 obsolete and "not continue to maintain it"...

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maintain != getting new features

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lol

i guess it's what you call a new feature really

anyway, moved my web development and photography stuff to other apps - seems that other people don't seem to find the scaling such a massive problem as to be calling it a new feature...

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80 Points

6 years ago

I have vision issues but the 200% option is TOO big. A 150% increase would be perfect!

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80 Points

6 years ago

I've heard about the problems that Photoshop CS6 has with high-retina displays on Windows 8. Will a native screen resolution of 1920 x 1080 work ok with Photoshop & Illustrator CS6 work ok with this? Or will this give me the same squinting problem everyone talks about? Please don't tell me to upgrade to CC, my business has not been authorized to do this, but they have given me permission to get a new laptop to replace the broken one I have that has been running CS6.

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270 Points

6 years ago

everything up to CS6 is fine at 1920x1080

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80 Points

6 years ago

The "Experimental" option was pointed out to me by an Adobe techie after many hours of struggle w my HD screen and invisible UI. Went to Prefs, clicked Experimental, ta-da the grave flaw in Photoshop was solved.

But then soon after, in the middle of a huge project of course, the UI shrank back to unreadable and the Experimental choice disappeared, never to return despite reboots, etc. As post-ers above mentioned, this is contemptuous behaviour on Adobe's part, but I have become accustomed to it.

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Features don't just disappear by themselves.

You're running the wrong version of the application. You need to be using CC 2014 to use the 200% scaling. Photoshop CC doesn't have that feature.