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Tue, Jun 18, 2013 10:28 PM

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Photoshop CC: Path/Direct Selection tool selecting multiple paths on drag-select

in CS6 drag selecting would only select paths in the currently active layer. Now it is selecting paths from all visible layers, which make it impossible (or just really really slow) for me to select point from a single layer without also selecting paths that I don't want selected. For me this is a huge bug that has killed my workflow in CC.

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7 years ago

We just release the 14.1 patcher which should fix this behavior.

http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotco...

Please install the update and let us know how this change works for you.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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7 years ago

A big thank you to everyone who took the time to explain how their personal workflow was affected by the change to the vector selection tools in CC. Your clear feedback allowed us to implement the Active Layers/All Layers modes in the vector selection tools options bar.

Here's a direct link to the list of enhancements for 14.1:
http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/usin...

Some more info on these changes:
-Active Layers mode is the new default. Your layer selection will not be affected when you use the vector tools on canvas.
-All Layers mode works like 14.0.
-Double-clicking on a shape to enter isolation mode only works in All Layers mode.
-We've also made it easier to select individual anchor points with the Direct Selection tool. If you have multiple anchor points selected and you click on one of the selected points, the other points will become deselected.

Let me know if you have any questions about any of the changes.

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Thank you, too, and everyone at Adobe who worked to get this fixed. Shockingly quick turnaround, and now I actually really like this feature!

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Fantastic that you have listened to your long-term users and implemented a sensible solution that keeps the useful changes whilst giving us a way around the not-so-useful. Thank you.

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"Your clear feedback allowed us to implement the Active Layers/All Layers modes in the vector selection tools options bar. "

Where is this? Please show an image of where this option is.

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@Gordon Carmichael http://d.pr/i/OHSl

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I've updated Photoshop CC and the dropdown feature is visible now. However, this doesn't resolve an issue I'm having where I want to select a shape using the path selection tool then edit it. I can only do this by setting the dropdown to 'Active Layers' to select the shape then switching to 'Active Layers' to edit. This is an important aspect of the way I work. Any suggestions?

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7 years ago

This is actually a new feature in Photoshop CC that allows you to select and edit multiple paths across layers. You can also select and edit multiple paths in the Paths panel.

You can limit which layers are selected when you drag on the canvas by using isolation mode:

-To isolate a single shape, double-click on that shape on canvas with the Path Selection tool.
-To isolate multiple layers (including non-shape layers), select the layers in the Layers panel, right-click on the image with the Path Selection tool, and choose Isolate Layers.
-To exit isolation mode, double-click on the image with the Path Selection tool again.

When you are in isolation mode, the vector selection tools will only select paths from the isolated layers.

Hope that helps.

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224 Points

It's not helpful at all! Please add an option to change this!

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Agreed

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364 Points

Yes! It's not helpful at all! Please add an option to change this!!!!!!!!!

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If this 'Isolation mode' would be quite the same as in Illustrator, this would be a great feature - for everything! Because you wouldn't have to make all other layers invisible than the one that you want to work on. But the fact that this only works for shapes, and that I can't just hit 'Esc' when I'm done and that everything that was not isolated is still visible makes this feature horrible! Why do I always have to unactivate this tiny little switch (that is quite hard to hit when you work fast!)? Why setting a keyboard-shortcut? 'Esc' is there, it's unused and it's quite common!
Sometimes I really wanted to move multiple anchorpoints - but just sometimes!
Also I have no visual feedback than this little red switch when I isolated an element. I think, the way illustrator handles this whole situation is way better.
Please provide a solution for this as fast as possible.
As Tim Zulewski mentioned: Do you even have usability-tests in on your way to a release scheduled?
And everytime I read something like "It's still the extra steps to [...]" as a solution to a problem that wasn't there before, - sry but - I flip the f**k out!
Isnt' your intention at Adobe to make things... faster, better, lighter?
At the moment all I can do is: switching back to CS6 and tell my friends and my colleagues that CC is not very usable at the moment. And that makes me and you sad. And this bug with multiple layer-selection of locked and invisible layers makes me more frustrated...

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152 Points

你说的没错,是新功能,但是新功能非常不好用,影响工作效率

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506 Points

7 years ago

Thanks! this will take some getting used to, but at least it works :)

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284 Points

7 years ago

Did anyone even test this with actual designers that use Photoshop before implementation? This is a horrible way to work and only adds time to what you could previously do in a couple seconds in the main canvas.

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Yes we did.

Is there a particular task you're trying to do that is causing you problems?

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284 Points

Yes. Select paths.
Using the direct select tool, I have to click on the path itself, rather than in the middle of the shape like I used to be able to (I don't know if Adobe understands how difficult it can be to do that when you have shapes layered upon shapes). Then I have to double-click to enter this isolation mode. Then edit my shape. Then double-click on the canvas to return to regular editing mode.
This "feature" is a downgrade from how it works in CS6.

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"Using the direct select tool, I have to click on the path itself, rather than in the middle of the shape like I used to be able to"

This should still work -- is the problem that the shape layer you want to select by clicking is underneath another layer in the Layers panel?

"I don't know if Adobe understands how difficult it can be to do that when you have shapes layered upon shapes"

This is why we added isolation mode -- we do understand that it can be difficult to select overlapping shapes when all layers are selectable on canvas.

What I'm seeing is that your main issue is the extra step you need to do to enter isolation mode. Am I understanding this correctly?

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Jeanne, I think the main issue here is that Adobe seems to think that selecting multiple paths in Photoshop was a problem before. It wasn't.
Isolation mode works in Illustrator because Illustrator can have multiple objects on one layer. Photoshop does not work that way. Each shape object is on its own layer. It is very easy to select them in this way... until now.
Now Adobe has made an error in this process because they think people need to be able to select and work with multiple paths at the same time. I have no idea what would have caused them to think like this? There has not been ANY mention of a problem selecting multiple paths at all in the Adobe Forums. Editing paths has never been an issue, but now Adobe has made it one. I suspect you will begin to see more posts about this in the Photoshop Forum now, if Adobe ever looks through those forums.

My main issue is not that I only have to enter isolation mode, but also exit it as well as trying to double-click the path to enter it in the first place.

"is the problem that the shape layer you want to select by clicking is underneath another layer in the Layers panel"
No. I was mistaken in adding the words "like I used to be able to" in my last response. I can click in the middle of a shape to select the shape with the direct select tool, but I cannot double-click on it to enter isolation mode. Instead I have to click on the edge of the path. This is what I am talking about when I say it is difficult to do that when you have shapes layered on top of on another, especially if the edges of those shapes are close to each other.

"we do understand that it can be difficult to select overlapping shapes when all layers are selectable on canvas."
Then why would Adobe make a change like this?

There is another issue I've discovered. If I select a path as a whole (meaning all the paths points are highlighted) with either of the arrow selection tools, the next time I select that object with the direct selection tool, Photoshop remembers that I had the entire shape selected (including the points). That means that I cannot edit just one point with the direct select tool until I deselect the shape and then attempt to just select that point.

Again, this is adding unnecessary time and complexity. A process that used to take a second now takes many seconds.

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142 Points

Yes! Why create a means to isolate these layers when they were already isolated? I'm curious as to what percent of the time people are selecting multiple paths and editing them together and how much time is actually saved overall.

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482 Points

7 years ago

I'd like suggest Adobe to make this property optional.

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We're definitely open to suggestions for refining the feature, but it's unlikely that we're going to make it optional.

If you're having a specific problem, please let me know and I'll try to help.

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I am assuming Adobe's programmers use version control for coding? If you're not going to make it optional then why not just roll this "feature" back out until people actually ask for it or until Adobe figures out a better way to handle it.
Add features that we truly need like 9-slice scaling and symbols.

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It's more of an underlying change to the architecture, so unfortunately, it's not as easy as doing a rollback. But we are looking for ways to refine the feature for future releases (as I mentioned). Learning the specific situations people are having trouble with is definitely helpful feedback.

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All of them. All of the situations. There is about 1 out of 1000 situations in which I do not have a problem.

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7 years ago

I have to agree with the other commenters. While it is now *possible* to work with the new system, it is a big step back in speed and usability. I find that I'm frustrated with it more than not.

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"big step back in speed and usability"

Can you be more specific? Is the speed problem the extra step you have to take to isolate specific layers before selecting them on canvas? Are you mostly trying to work with a path on a single layer?

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I generally have documents that cover multiple designs layered on top of each other. So I might have hundreds of vector layers occupying the same space. Before, I could just click on the layer that I wanted to work with in the list and then work with it. Now, if that layer I want to work with has other layers on top I'm out of luck. I need to either hide layers or search to be able to edit what I'm trying to get to. I do like the fine grain control that isolate provides, but its the multiple select I have the biggest issue with.

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"Before, I could just click on the layer that I wanted to work with in the list and then work with it."

What do you mean by "in the list"? Are you referring to the Layers panel? If so, you can speed up your workflow (eliminating the need to hide or search layers) by setting up the Select > Isolate Layers option with a custom keyboard shortcut then doing the following:

-Select layer in the Layers panel the way you used to.
-Use Isolate Layers custom keyboard shortcut.
-Drag or click to select path on canvas.
-When you're done editing, use Isolate Layers custom keyboard shortcut to toggle off isolation mode.

It's still the extra steps to enter and exit isolation mode, but is a lot easier than trying to isolate the layer by double-clicking on the canvas.

If I'm misunderstanding how you used to originally select the layer in CS6, let me know.

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ok, this helps as well. I guess the only issue now is the white arrow not selecting points or sections of a path like it used to. I guess the only way to select a point if the whole path is selected now is to drag select?

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Yes, that is the only way to select a point. Quite frustrating. Fixing that issue would go a very long way.

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7 years ago

I also agree I need to switch back to CS6 until this is fixed.

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The multiple path selection is here to stay, but we're looking for ways in which we can refine and improve it. What specific part of your workflow are you struggling with?

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7 years ago

This is also a workflow issue with my team as well. We utilize a path merging method which was powered through Javascripting. Part of our daily routine is to group single products together into a Family shot. We would use the existing clipping paths and convert those paths to Vector Masks and place all the single images onto 1 document.

At the point where our 6 products are stacked over each other in the way we need them, we normally would just copy/paste each Vector Path from the pallet into one new Path, then do a combine. This is no longer possible.

As a work around we are trying new methods of selection by utilizing the Direct Selection tool, but the Pallet method was extremely fast and very intuitive.

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Is the problem that your script doesn't work anymore?

"At the point where our 6 products are stacked over each other in the way we need them, we normally would just copy/paste each Vector Path from the pallet into one new Path, then do a combine."

What do you mean by "combine"? Is this done by the script? Or are you talking about the Merge Shape Components command? The more I can understand about your workflow, the more likely I can assist you (or pass along areas where we need to fix something).

Thanks!

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I’m sorry, but I am unclear on what is not working when pasting paths from a vector mask into a new or existing path. It appears to be working for me.

Another way to accomplish what I think you are trying to do:
Select the layers for the products in the layers panel, or drag with path select tool to select all the vector mask paths
select the pen tool and click Shape on the option bar, this will create a shape with all the selected paths
With the paths still selected, set path operations popup to Combine Shapes, the select Merge Shape components. This will give you a shape with a combined path from all the layer masks. If you need the mask's path a plain path you can option drag in the paths panel to duplicate, select New path from the Paths panel flyout or drag the path to the new path icon. You can then use the resulting path for the task required.

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Photoshop no longer allows you to copy the Vector Path directly in the Panel. This was possible in older versions. Yes I know we can use the direct selection tool to copy, or double click on the path to make a work path, but utilizing the panel was much faster.

Your suggestions are great, but they add several steps to a process which was very simple.

example:

http://screencast.com/t/C5312MEmY

Employee

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In the example you posted the eraser tool is active. We now require a vector tool to be active for path operations. If you switch to a vector tool copy and paste should work as expected.

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You are correct, but this is the first time I have had to change the tool to the Direct Selection tool before I copy and paste a vector path.

So I tried this again making sure my Direct Selection tool was Active, and I still don't have the desired results. I used to be able to create a new Work Path with copy and paste. Right now Copy / Paste just pastes the Vector Mask onto whatever layer is Active as a Vector Mask, not a new "Work PAth". But I did discover I can "Cut" the Vector Mask then Paste to make a Work Path.

OMG Whatever....

How I feel is Developers of Photoshop changed some programming which altered my teams workflow drastically with one just feature. Now I have to spend a couple of days rewriting several scripts so my team doesn't fall behind on Productivity. My team has too much to do right now, and this feature change is forcing us to lose traction.

I have told my team to NOT use CC until scripts are corrected. Hopefully you all get the point.

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7 years ago

This is a huge issue. The direct select tool is completely broken, not only can you not select shapes independently, the edges and points of the shape don't appear unless "extras" are turned on, another huge change. This has effectively ruined the direct select tool. I'm sticking with CS6 until this gets fixed.

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The behavior you're describing where the path outline and anchor points only appear when View > Extras is turned on has been around since at least CS5.

As for the other issue, please see my post above on Isolation mode -- this is how you limit which paths are selected on canvas.

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If I click on a shape with extras off in CS6 the edge shows up and when I click the edge the points show up. When I click a vector shape in CC nothing happens if the extras are not on.

As for the other issue, isolation mode is not good. Clearly no one in this thread likes it and this is a major change to workflow that no one asked for.

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What is different as far as View > Extras is concerned is that in previous versions, this option would automatically be turned back on if you used any of the vector tools.

I do see a problem when View > Extras stays off. While you can still select a vector layer (clicking the object on canvas, perhaps to delete it), you cannot move it or otherwise manipulate it. This renders the vector selection tools virtually useless.

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64 Points

+1 on this one. horrible.

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7 years ago

In my opinion adobe has been trying to make things "easier" for us to do things we were already quite efficient at doing. This is a professional tool, is it not? Please make sure your intention is clear when you are creating "features." Features are not an end in themselves. One other major issue I've seen recently (cs6) is the imprecise selection tool. Making a 10 pixel bubble and snapping things to pixels and sub pixels is annoying when trying to have a high level of control over things you are creating.

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You can turn off pixel snapping.

If you're referring to the path itself snapping to pixels, go into preferences and disable Snap Vector Tools and Transforms to Pixel Grid.

If you're referring to the way the stroke/fill of a shape layer snaps to the pixel grid, this is determined by the Align Edges checkbox in the options bar for the various vector tools.

That should at least help with your snapping issue.

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Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I am aware of these preferences and have previously disabled them, but I should have done more looking into this since it appears that there have been some refinements to these interactions in CC. So, two steps forward. One step back? That's still progress.

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7 years ago

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7 years ago

I love the new CC with awesome new features BUT I HATE the Direct Selection Tool coz it's broken completely! I don't understand why Adobe broke this tool and Adobe's representatives (eg. Jeanne Rubbo) don't want to hear us, users? Now I can't use it at all!!! :(((((

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Jeanne has ben answering our questions and trying to understand why we don't like the way the tool works now. She has not been ignoring us. I'm sure she is taking our comments and passing them along.

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I hope, because now I have to downgrade Photoshop to CS6 version. I love the new features in the CC but the Direct Selection Tool is very important for me!

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"I'm sure she is taking our comments and passing them along."

I certainly am.

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@Jeanne sorry if I offended you :) But this problem is extremely important for me and all other users. If you can, please, report these feedbacks to developers! We just want a simple option in the properties panel which will switch between versions. Thanks!

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7 years ago

This has become a major pain point for me. An extra step is required and is extremely delicate. I have a hundred vector layers in a document, I need to be able to edit only the selected layer.

Suggestion: If I have multiple layers selected, allow points to be manipulated on those layers.

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I think this is a great solution, for people who need to select multiple paths at once.

On another note, who are these people?!

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There was a request here for the ability to select multiple paths... so they could be deleted:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
(someone should set that request to "Completed")

Just yesterday, I was actually able to find a use for multiple-path editing, but that is quite rare.... I'd rather have the CS6 path behavior for now.

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"There was a request here for the ability to select multiple paths... so they could be deleted:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
(someone should set that request to "Completed") "

Good catch. I just changed the status on that one.

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@Louie - I think this is a great solution!

@Chris - I'm one of those people that have wanted this kind of functionality. I often have repeating shapes that have to be different colors, which means I might have many shapes in a row, but can't combine the shapes into one without losing the color differences. So selecting, say, the bottom handles of all the shapes would allow me to quickly resize the entire row without doing one at a time like I have had to in CS6 and below.

However, I don't like that it's a forced option. I just installed CC and was scratching my head trying to figure out why I couldn't drag to select JUST the layer I was on. I don't like these kinds of surprises, and since I already have a muscle-memory workflow using the old method, it is extremely difficult and time consuming to have to move to a new workflow with additional steps just because I installed a new OS and needed to re-download PS from CC. This definitely could have been implemented better by Adobe. I wish Adobe would introduce us to new features at the time of first load of a new install to show how to toggle the features on or off...

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7 years ago

I don't like the "Not a problem" tag on this site. It should be something more like "As Designed." People do have a problem with the feature.

Should the topic be changed to a feature request?

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There isn't an "As Designed" status for this. "Not a Problem" is the closest available. It doesn't mean we're ignoring it.