claytonking

61 Messages

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3.2K Points

Mon, Oct 15, 2018 6:10 PM

In progress

Photoshop CC 2019: Transform/Resize is constrained by default - Want ability to go back to legacy behavior

When selecting a layer and dragging a corner handle with the shift (or alt-shift) key pressed, the resize proportion isn't constrained. This started with this most recent update.

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Official Solution

JeffreyTranberry

Adobe Administrator

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15.1K Messages

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288.3K Points

a year ago

With the 20.0.5 update, there is now a user facing preference under Preferences > General... and check "Use Legacy Free Transform"

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Use this preference instead of the PSUserConfig.txt method.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

anthony_edge

131 Messages

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2.4K Points

Do we need to remove the old PSUserConfig.txt entry after this release is installed? Or perhaps will it be used to define this checkbox initially and then redundant?

a year ago

anthony_edge

131 Messages

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2.4K Points

Holi cow.
Just installed update.
My Photoshop now ignores my PSUserConfig.txt entry AND the "Use Legacy Free Transform" box is unticked.
This update has reverted my SHIFT-to-Constrain settings AGAIN!
#facepalm

a year ago

clocksworth

16 Messages

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822 Points

Jeffrey, the team at Adobe really need to do a better job notifying customers of changes like this.

We expect better than to have to exit the software we pay to use, to search online for answers.

We should not need to look into patch notes or forum posts to find out why one of the single most-used tools in all of Photoshop has changed behaviour after 15+ years.

Adobe's rinky-dink approach to customer experience is tiresome.

a year ago

davidbleja

114 Messages

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2.9K Points

Jeffrey, this is not good enough. It's been many months since the free transform fiasco began, and you still haven't addressed one of the most glaring (and oft-complained about) problems: inconsistent transform behaviour between layer types. If you're going to ill-advisedly fool around with the default free transform behaviour then so be it, but for God's sake, finish the job!

With "Use Legacy Free Transform" unchecked, shift constrains vector layers, while it unconstrains raster, smart object, and text layers. Not to mention that Photoshop's default behaviour is now largely contrary to the behaviour in Illustrator, After Effects etc. This is poor interface design no matter how you slice it.

It adds insult to injury to refer to the previous (sensible, consistent) behaviour as "legacy" when the new feature remains unfinished, inconsistent and illogical. At the very least, the new behaviour should be called "beta" or "experimental" (and turned off by default) until you finally finish implementing it.

I'm sure it's very tempting to write off the deluge of criticism you've received over this issue as just being the white noise of the angry internet masses. But honestly, Adobe dropped the ball on this one, and made some objectively and glaringly obvious poor decisions, the solutions to which are likewise glaringly obvious.

Spending 8 months to add a legacy checkbox smacks of 'throw the complainers a bone to shut them up'. It signals that whoever's in charge of things over there hasn't actually listened to the customers, or genuinely comprehended what Adobe's mistakes were.

a year ago

david_tristram

184 Messages

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3.9K Points

2 years ago

new feature, use Shift to *un* constrain. Constrain to fixed aspect is now on by default.

graphic_designer_37ncbnshhs4pn

3 Messages

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90 Points

Very handy to know before updating.

2 years ago

clocksworth

16 Messages

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822 Points

Do you think users should be informed of such a major change in one of the most used features of Photoshop?
This wastes time in retraining muscle memory for millions of users, and by the looks of things, you've failed to provide an easy way to turn this off.
It is baffling when these kinds of decisions are made.

2 years ago

danielmee

11 Messages

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312 Points

It's also inconsistent! I worked out quickly that constrained was the new default - sure, I'm ok with that as it is an attempt to standardize across apps - but then I go to resize something else and it requires the old key combo?!! Is there a bug where old documents or elements from old documents retain the old restraining defaults?! It's the only explanation I could come up with...

2 years ago

claytonking

61 Messages

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3.2K Points

It’s also misleading. I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out what was wrong with my computer, mouse, Wacom, etc. this change really blows. Also makes me appreciate Affinity Photo more and more.

2 years ago

cameron_rad

163 Messages

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2.7K Points

Why? You could've just taken a quick glance at the "What's new" page.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new.html

2 years ago

claytonking

61 Messages

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3.2K Points

I look for highlights when I have time. With CC I update to simply be current. I suppose this is a learning moment.

2 years ago

danielmee

11 Messages

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312 Points

They added a warning message about the new way undo works but the proportional scaling muscle memory is just as burned in. In needed to be clearly mentioned like the undo change.

2 years ago

ken_friberg

4 Messages

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634 Points

The consensus in time will show this was a mistake by the development team. If it were thought out and there was a good reason to change it then it would have been changed for other similar functions like scaling a crop, tool constraints, rotation etc. My bet is that they will reverse this by making it a preference to save face.

2 years ago

tracy_hoots_hoexter

1 Message

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62 Points

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2 years ago

ken_friberg

4 Messages

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634 Points

Thanks Tracy. Yes John McAssey's manual fix works. But the PS team needs to hear us because a change can affect productivity across the whole PS user community effectively creating a massive loss of productivity worldwide. I know they understand this very well and take these things seriously.

2 years ago

olivia_james_8mr7m3lgtfpux

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62 Points

You just made my month!! A friend dropped a drink on my laptop so I had to get a new one and then after getting my computer all setup my Adobe apps were all reset so it has been a nightmare!!! One minute I can't get shift to constrain, the next I can't get it to stop. Hallelujah for you!!

Also, why on earth did they not send a notification in the product to tell us this?! ;)

THANK YOU!!!!

2 years ago

joachim_barrum

208 Messages

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4.9K Points

@david tristram New feature ?!? Its not a feature, its a change. and its not change all across the program, shapes scale like before. Smart objects scale like before. Its just confusing an inconsitent. If you are going to force such a shortcut change on the users, at least do it on everything.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

Don't prompt to that ;) Better ask to make happy both groups of users. Option to disable / enable.

2 years ago

hin_lam

2 Messages

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274 Points

The team has not thing else to improve the software?
So that they are changing something to "pretend" they are improving the software?
So that they can justify the monthly fee?

Ridiculous, the "shift" key function was there for more than ten years and everyone is so familiar with this. For what reason the developers have to change it?

Similarly the "link" button between "H" and "W" is not working; even if I have disassociate the width and height, the transformation is still in the aspect ratio.

This update seriously sucks!

2 years ago

hin_lam

2 Messages

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274 Points

2 years ago

paul_peddrick

3 Messages

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284 Points

agreed!

2 years ago

paul_peddrick

3 Messages

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284 Points

I have been using Photoshop professionally since it first came out. That is a very long time to get used to doing something. Much longer than 10 years. I can understand defaulting it to being constrained, but couldn't you come up with another button to unconstrain other than the one everyone is used to using for constrain!! OMG. That is just absolutely stupid and short-sighted UX and product design. C'mon, you can do better than that. Worse yet -- I have to come to this forum to figure out the change!! Very poorly considered.

2 years ago

stefano_bonfanti

4 Messages

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318 Points

This has been a terrible change for my working habits, even more if you consider that the new defaults don’t apply to the transformation of paths and advanced objects. That introduces further chaos!

2 years ago

lumigraphics

997 Messages

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16.8K Points

If there was a Setup Assistant that ran on first launch and allowed a user to toggle these changes, this wouldn't be an issue. But changing defaults silently and letting users find them and be pissed off is just poor software design.

2 years ago

lumigraphics

997 Messages

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16.8K Points

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

I'm gald to see resonable people can't stand that too and criticise this poor CC 2019 behaviour.

2 years ago

dennis_nisbet

78 Messages

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2K Points

I've been using Photoshop professionally since Photoshop 2.
Most of the time, updates had value and few if any were just plain unnecessary.
Changing how a selected layer is constrained has no apparent value.
Did it bring value to something else in the program? Probably not!
Two weeks ago David Tristram, an Adobe employee, wrote the following:
"new feature, use Shift to *un* constrain. Constrain to fixed aspect is now on by default"
What he wrote could be easily interpreted as:
You guys are all stupid and I am the Photoshop God. Therefore, we made this change and you will have to get used to it!
Just imagine how nice it would have been if he had written a great explanation as to why this change was made!

2 years ago

joachim_barrum

208 Messages

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4.9K Points

Yes, I agree with you Dennis. I would also like to know if the difference between scaling text layers, smart layers, shapes and regular layers were intentional. If so I would very much like to know the exact reason for this and what Adobe think it will help solving?!?

To me, I still sit with a question mark above my head of exactly what Photoshop CC 2019 brought to the table that has made it a better than it was. Multiple Undos - all ready there (just forced changed the shortcut on us). Uniform scale was all ready there (just forced changed the shortcut). Color wheel is nice but too little and too late - we all ready got way better plugins for that. and any optimizations made to the program, I really cannot notice, in fact for me everything is just slightly more laggy (layers in particular). If the adobe team need ideas on where to continue the development they should announce that...or was this just a good way to save a few bucks this year?

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

They say it's to make it uniform to iPad (or something I never had anything to do with) were are no shift keys, or they are something unusual. So becuase everything must be the same in scope of their produtcs they choose probably to make workstation versions work same as those shortly many people will use mostly, new young comers that are future target for Adobe. We can't do anything (however I don't like it) that the generation of old users remembering first releases or those at least from 6 - 7 years shortly is going to die and not be profitable for this company. It's even easier to play with kids for them by those new unfinished updates than with 'real' users as younger ones are going to adapt that somehow faster using their flexible brains and not complain as we do.

They act like Europe Union that introduces plenty of unthought and unresonable stupid changes to old as world good working natural regulations. Of course they know what they do. So no matter they have no logic answer for that - as far as they can say people what to do they are going to use it to 'enslave' them, rule the world and have more money, managing those they not belong to them.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

(...)what Photoshop CC 2019 brought to the table that has made it a better than it was.

New users are not aware of this stupidly made action. So answer is there's really nothing that could be reason to release new Photoshop that couldn't be next update to previous one. The only what is important user who looks for such product is more likely buy something that is fresh as that must be better. Will anyone take a time to investigate what's true? Probably more time people spend on learning new stuff with no experience of how that was earlier. An when such user is going finally to be familiar with something that is initially too hard to look at as a whole there will pass more years before they start to discredit anything, that when beeing able to recognise something has no sense in Adobe doings, like for example now some of another controversial updates.

2 years ago

scott_souchock

4 Messages

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396 Points

Well, another disappointing response from Adobe. IMHO you are absolute morons for changing something that been one way for EVER. Clearly you don't have any understanding of how your users work and need to work. We've got work to do and we expect our tools to continue working the way they always have — or you better have one hell of a good reason for changing something. And that's one of the problems with Adobe: you make changes but why are you making the changes? What is the compelling reason? I hope you finally do something so stupid that it causes a huge financial impact to the company because you need a darn good whopping.

2 years ago

lonny_cloud

44 Messages

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1.6K Points

It’s very tempting to get by on an old paid for in full version and cancel my subscription. I already shut down the 2019 version and went back to 2018. The problem is, if Adobe refuses to give us back our old options we are stuck with this crap from here on out, and I for one am not going to upgrade just because there is no other choice for newer versions. It’s not just new tool behavior for me though. I found far too many bugs in the 2019 version and it’s just not worth the headache

2 years ago

phillip_chodorowski

1 Message

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62 Points

Great advice, except text layers behave differently now to smart objects, or rasterised layers. Also, for some reason the layer labels for smart objects and shapes no longer work, so you can't scan through a document to see what is what! 0/10 rolling back to previous version.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

If you mean that blank starting with 'Kind' and ending with 'Artboard' it works for me.

2 years ago

doug_millhoff

24 Messages

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1.1K Points

"Official Response

"new feature, use Shift to *un* constrain. Constrain to fixed aspect is now on by default. "

New feature on Camry, use right pedal for brakes, use left pedal for accelerator, and turn signal is now shift lever.

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

LOL "We found that many users preferred to back into their garage. NEW FEATURE. Use shift to go Forward."

2 years ago

mike_berson

8 Messages

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376 Points

This is a terrible change. I have to relearn a 20+ year reflex for Photoshop only?! ID and AI stay as they were? For what purpose exactly? Does Adobe have any idea how disorienting this is for experienced users? Like so often with Adobe CC, it's back to last year's version or the version before that. I'm surprised holding down Shift doesn't also pop up an ad for Adobe Stock.

2 years ago

mike_berson

8 Messages

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376 Points

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

I guess InDesign and Illustrator are used mostly by professional users while Photoshop is popular amongst amateurs, so people who do fast fun corrections on other devices they can do in Ps too. Now this app is dedicated to them, especially iPad users, where ID and AI versions don't exist on?

2 years ago

jonah_levenberg

1 Message

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142 Points

If Photoshop was the only Adobe CC product I used, I’d grit my teeth and get used to the new way of resizing. However, I spend all day jumping from Illustrator to Photoshop to Indesign and back again (and again) — and the other two programs didn’t change. So I am constantly doing it wrong. It’s beyond frustrating.

2 years ago

alicia_buelow

4 Messages

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138 Points

Jonah, I am having the exact same problem. I switch between Illustrator and Photoshop all day, and it is very frustrating. So much for inter-app workflow.

2 years ago

joachim_barrum

208 Messages

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4.9K Points

And according to Adobe at Max 2018, multiple undo's was changed for this exact reason, to unify between the programs. ...The irony.

2 years ago

colin_browne_6327228

5 Messages

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146 Points

No shit Sherlock

2 years ago

mjp_eckhardt

3 Messages

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222 Points

Inconsistency, inconsistency, inconsistency

* Transform Illustrator Indesign Photoshop.
* I wonder. What happens if you trans for a pixel shape and a vector shape simultaneously.
* I've got the feeling this 'feature' has been implemented so PS is easier to use on an Ipad. But professionals don't work directly on Tablets.

Facepalm...

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

One month discussion could be avoided if they released Photoshop that one month later. They could find what is wrong, fix that before official release, and focus on bugs and important stuff!

2 years ago

alan_donnelly_8jq3jymnlk6uu

10 Messages

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464 Points

24 years of muscle memory that now have to be retrained. Thaaaanks.

2 years ago

jingyi_liang

1 Message

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162 Points

I have no idea why Adobe what to change their user experiences and behavior. I used PS for 10 years now I made mistakes every time while using the Free Transform in 2019.

2 years ago

brandon_adams_8v2tnpwszxnjx

5 Messages

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242 Points

Please change this back, or at least give us the option to use the Legacy version for "pro" users. It's beyond comprehension that a legacy feature was not included.

2 years ago

brandon_adams_8v2tnpwszxnjx

5 Messages

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242 Points

Please change this back, or at least give us the option to use the Legacy version for "pro" users. It's beyond comprehension that a legacy feature was not included.

2 years ago

cameron_jennings_4ej1qtiudogs6

2 Messages

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276 Points

This update is one of the dumbest things I can imagine. Why not just start randomly changing hotkeys, too? why not switch it so (e) selects the brush and (b) selects the eraser? This was not a problem, and does not need to be fixed. Kindly change it back so I can regain my faith in Adobe. This was a very careless and stupid change.

2 years ago

por_fe_rio

1 Message

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102 Points

I was like what is wrong with shift+alt or shift not constraining for like minutes and googled and came to this topic.. This change was a LOL!

2 years ago

benoit_fortier_cv8s2goe4a9vr

6 Messages

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202 Points

I was waiting for that modification since a long time...
This change (No using shift as default for constraint), make more sense for me and it become as most of other software do.
It will be nice do, if the default setting(not using shift for constraint) was the same for "Vector''.

2 years ago

doug_millhoff

24 Messages

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1.1K Points

That would be OK if it were s "scale" instead of "free transform".
But you're praising removal of "free" part.

2 years ago

rich_palmer_7108vmgoxwtqd

8 Messages

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484 Points

I have worked in Photoshop longer than almost everyone. I started with PS3 beta release and have been a professional user ever since. In the 90's I beta tested quite often. In all that time, I have to say this is the dumbest idea ever. At least have a simple selection to turn it off. PS The chain link is supposed to turn it on and off, but Adobe didn't bother to make it actually work. Click it and see. It does nothing but change selection color. I just need a product that works. All these useless updates with tools for the ignorant masses has made PS a shadow of what really made it great. Ask someone who started using PS in 1993.

2 years ago

warren_heaton

379 Messages

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7.2K Points

I started in Photoshop 2.5 before it had layers and I’d say that while the application isn’t perfect, it is close to brilliant.

The change in the bahavior for Free Transorm is out of character flr Adobe. How long time users use the product is often well considered. Maybe it’s new people on the team? I am sure that the feedback is being heard and that we’ll have something in the preferences for this and it working as expected as set by the user.

I am still doing the bulk of my work in version 19 (CC2018),b but I typically hold off three to four months before mograting to major releases. Proir to the subscription model, I always held off until the .1 or .5 version shipped.

If anything, I jump up to 2019 for the content-aware fill improvments and then jump back to 2018 (both open at the same time). That’s certainly not ideal.

Also, basic math in the value text fields is almost worth all the other hassles. (Almost.)

// Warren Heaton, ACP/UGM/AEL

2 years ago

thomas_joynt

1 Message

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122 Points

This is sooooooo annoying Adobe. I have been using Photoshop for 19 years.... and now you change the 'shift' key around. Give is the option to change it back please so we can just get on with our work.....

2 years ago

peter_tang_cis99jsoaxdhu

204 Messages

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4.1K Points

Did you "Me Too" ?

2 years ago

Rosa

540 Messages

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12.3K Points

It's a stupid unfair move. Adobe updated 20.0.1 and in that update they didn't even bother to look at the transform tool.

I'm beginning to think that Adobe is going to ignore the complaints in this forum about the scaling behaviour.

I'm hoping that more of our friends add their woes about the transform tool here and vote by clicking 'ME TOO' on top of this page. Hopefully Adobe will get the message that we want to go back to the existing behaviour of the transform tool that was in Photoshop V19.

Spread the word so that Adobe gets the message.

I refuse to use the buggy Photoshop V20. I wasted so much valuable time and expense trialling the new version and it's not worth it to me to keep using V20

2 years ago

peter_figen

26 Messages

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1.1K Points

So as of now there are ninety, count 'em, metoos tallied at the top of this page. Does anyone really think that Adobe pays any attention at all to this, not even a zygote of a blip on their radar. They simply don't care and go on collecting our monthly due. They care about one thing and one thing only. That should be readily apparent at this point.

2 years ago

kevin_burke_79elyhb2chit6

4 Messages

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228 Points

I am a little disheartened by Adobe's lack of response for the discontent over this feature that no one wanted. If Adobe is going to change a core behavior and say it's for user experience or consistency, then why are you forcing long-time users to edit a buried preferences file and why are none of the other Adobe apps the same. At the very least, please make it an option in the Photoshop preferences. This was not a cool move for people who use Photoshop every day.

2 years ago

Rosa

540 Messages

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12.3K Points

The problem is that the soon to be released Photoshop for iPad has the same underlying code as the desktop Photoshop. I think that's really what's going on.

Adobe is not going to listen to us.

I read online 'The Verge' which reported that "Bringing a program like Photoshop to the iPad is a monumental task. The project started 18 months ago when two Adobe engineers asked to carve out time to bring the Photoshop codebase to the iPad. “There was just a lot of doubt until what we call the “proof of life” moment,” says Scott Belsky, Adobe’s chief product officer. Senior director Pam Clark agrees: “We fully admit we were surprised when the engineers showed up, and it was quite powerful and smooth.” That “proof of life” product inspired the design team to start focusing on the app’s user experience, with each new build focusing on a different Photoshop workflow."

2 years ago

nolan_conley

68 Messages

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2.2K Points

As a Photoshop user since V3, I would venture to say Adobe's mindset started when they purchased Aldus Photostyler and thus eliminating their real competition. Monopolies always choose to do what they want as opposed to serving their loyal client base.

Adobe has no real competition so they do as they please without regard to their clients. Adobe of late has been making more changes that hurt professional users and woo novices.

Adobe, I plead with you to LEAVE THE BASIC OPERATION OF PHOTOSHOP ALONE! Make your product perform better and give us a way in the prefs to "opt out" of any major changes. Change all you want in Photoshop Elements for the novices and kids. If you want Photoshop for the iPad... call it Photoshop iPad, making it a separate application. You are in the process of screwing yourself royally and don't seem to realize it. Listen to your professional users. They pay your salaries.

Remember, Rome fell and you can too!

2 years ago

cristen_gillespie_7908527

2K Messages

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35K Points

Take what I say with a grain of salt, since I only got Affinity for iPad yesterday. But when I watched a tutorial on gestures, my head started swimming. It looks like they use the same concept there—no gesture (shift) for constrain transform, gesture to unconstrain—but it also appears to be inconsistent. It looked to me like shapes (vector) were different with free transform using no gesture. They came out a long time ago, so maybe PS is copying them?

It's going to be a confusing world out there. I still want the option to constrain or not on the Options bar, so if we click on the link, it's constrained AND a sticky setting. Unlinked, unconstrained, AND a sticky setting. We can have a preference, too, but the Options bar lets us choose on the fly. As for the iPad, I'll probably click my way through it all, ignoring gestures as much as I possibly can, and hope menus and icons work as well on the iPad as they do on the desktop for apps where I don't remember all the shortcuts. It's not as if I'm using the iPad to be highly productive.

Buckle up for this brave new world.

2 years ago

jeremy_pinson

1 Message

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86 Points

This happens in Adobe tools all the time, and I hate it. They turned off CSS custom formatting in Dreamweaver a few years ago when they started using a different framework to power it... a huge amount of users wanted it back and nothing happened. I gave up WYSIWYG editors completely and moved to Notepad++, and am sort of leaning the same way with this one. We'll see.

2 years ago

matt_cerra

3 Messages

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174 Points

I figured out how to fix it......

use 2018....lol

2 years ago

doug_barry_martin

22 Messages

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656 Points

That's it! We pay for the latest but it's useless.

2 years ago

lonny_cloud

44 Messages

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1.6K Points

If Adobe has screwed up Photoshop so bad in favor of the upcoming Photoshop for IPad like so many of us think, the issue is that the ‘Real’ Photoshop for iPad isn’t ‘Real’. To completely change the behavior of basic tools that we have used for years rather than to develop a ‘Real’ version of Photoshop for iPad is not accomplishing a quality product for either version. As bad as I may want to use Photoshop on my iPad, I would rather mirror my iPad to my Mac to use for a drawing pad. I still see that the new version of Photoshop is too full of bugs and other bad behaviors that I’m not likely to ever use anything later than the 2018 version.

2 years ago

kit_kerner

122 Messages

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2.1K Points

I know! . . . and I use Windows.

2 years ago

laura_hompus

1 Message

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102 Points

I don't understand why the link-unlink button is still up there in the toolbar with the transform commands and sizes. clicnk the link and unlink constraints/ proportions button now makes me feel stupid because it doesn't make a difference. Only pressing shift does.

2 years ago

jeff_krause_4738135

35 Messages

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688 Points

@laura Hompus - I agree. Changing the behavior of this tool was a mistake.

2 years ago

nick_caville

2 Messages

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90 Points

Not good enough. Illogical change which has clearly bewildered a lot of those who have updated.

2 years ago

tabor_carlton_fv1xt8intl736

1 Message

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122 Points

I hate this new feature. I've used Shift+drag to constrain proportion on an object for 20 years and it's habit. And every other program sill requires you to hold shift to constrain. Change it back Photoshop, and let the people who like this new feature can enable it.

2 years ago

martin_sanders_5040662

6 Messages

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182 Points

Couldn't agree more, this is frustrating the hell out of me. Something I do 100 times a day has changed for no reason.

2 years ago

rouzbeh_i42vee9hds7zx

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80 Points

Apple introduced natural scroll in touchpad but provided an option to switch to classic scroll. That’s how you introduce new conventions. People are used to shift key transform and for some it’s hard and unnecessary to break the habit. Like mine. I feel like I am forced to like the opinion of UX designers at Adobe.

2 years ago

tim_wright_gsnp3tkjqhjwc

3 Messages

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102 Points

It's actually 'broken' surely? If you tap the un-link icon, it should be un-linked? But that icon now does nothing at all!
P.S. Who thought this was a good idea?

2 years ago

doug_sooley_6156111

20 Messages

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332 Points

This is clearly yet another example of PS making 'features' that don't work in the real world. They obviously did not QA test with real-time users.

2 years ago

bobotron50

2 Messages

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114 Points

This is probably great for noobs using PS to scale their family photo. Sucks for those of us who do production since every other app used shift.

2 years ago

michael_stephenson_8jcra7ubi6kyc

12 Messages

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454 Points

So what is happening with this ? ... what is it ... 3 months now and it is still annoying the utter s**t out of me. I use photoshop all day, everyday, for work plus 2 other businesses. This is the WORST change in the history of Adobe.

2 years ago

nolan_conley

68 Messages

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2.2K Points

Yep Michael... you are correct!

2 years ago

nolan_conley

68 Messages

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2.2K Points

Yep Michael... you are correct!

2 years ago

gregg_peterson

3 Messages

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320 Points

Adobe, You have no problem increasing the subscription rate for CC, only to change a standard part of the workflow in Photoshop. And you call it a feature? I can still constrain in Illustrator and InDesign. What if a car maker charged a couple of thousand more for their auto and told you they had a new "feature" where if you turn the steering wheel left, the car turned right? Or more accurately, "we have a new feature, we switched the gas and brake pedals"

2 years ago

lonny_cloud

44 Messages

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1.6K Points

Well said, Gregg Peterson.

2 years ago

davidbleja

114 Messages

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2.9K Points

"This is the WORST change in the history of Adobe."

Hyperbolic....but actually, it might just be right. I can't really think of a worse one. Not the idea itself, which is is inherently sound (most times users want to maintain aspect ratio, so why indeed should that take an extra step for the user?) But the implementation is just awful.

At the near-certain risk of repeating things that have been already said repeatedly on this thread and others:

-This would have been a great idea back in 1993. In 2018, where it's contending with years or decades of muscle memory for the vast majority of users, it's an uphill battle at best.

-At least make it consistent within the same program, for God's sake! Transforming a vector layer in Photoshop now works the exact reverse of transforming a raster layer in Photoshop. How could anything good possibly come of that?

-it seems a no-brainer to implement an option for those who want to revert it. You've supplied legacy options for much less controversial features like the new and improved Brightness & Contrast setting - why not for this one?

2 years ago

sarah_peller

2 Messages

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70 Points

Hi Adobe people,

I'd like to voice that I too would love for this behavior to go back to the way it was before. I don't mind adjusting my habits with new updates especially if they create an improvement in workflow. This update would probably be an improvement for me if the other design programs that I use regularly (Illustrator & InDesign) had a similar feature. But, since I still have to hold the shift key for contrained proportions on those programs, it's very hard to change that habit in Photoshop only. I say change them all to have that behavior or leave PS as is. That's my request for future updates. Thanks!

2 years ago

suzstephens

1 Message

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82 Points

This change is driving me nuts too, especially since it's not the same in Illustrator. Over the years I've been annoyed by inconsistencies between the Photoshop and Illustrator keyboard controls, but this is the worst yet.Don't the Photoshop and Illustrator teams talk to each other?

2 years ago

peter_tang_cis99jsoaxdhu

204 Messages

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4.1K Points

Does the Photoshop team even talk to each other?

2 years ago

nolan_conley

68 Messages

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2.2K Points

One thing is for sure... they don't talk to their professionals very often!

2 years ago

craig_denis

3 Messages

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212 Points

Unbelievable! I recently updated my photoshop and have been completely frustrated with this. Why change something that's been the same for decades?? It's really slowing down my workflow. I'm sure as soon as I get used to this they will change it back. Also, with the crop tool why is the default containing the entire image and not a free crop? Make no sense at all. I shouldn't have to hold shift to do a simple crop. David is right about the muscle memory, I'm completely thrown off. Please put these back to normal. Free transform and all the subcategories as well as the crop tool. Oh and why does the zoom tool in camera raw keep changing and why would it be different than the zoom in photoshop? Get it together guys!! Don't change things just to change them...I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

2 years ago

nolan_conley

68 Messages

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2.2K Points

Craig... you are not crazy! Adobe is crazy and stupid!

2 years ago

mounir_salhi_1r47evpy59jqe

1 Message

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102 Points

Adobe needs to listen to their customers, changing the scaling behavior and the Cmd+z was a big mistake.

2 years ago

lucia_giamanco

118 Messages

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2.8K Points

Mounir: they did, the problem is that those "customers" they listened to are retired and have no deadlines or set workflows to follow. Nor do they pay their mortgages with jobs that use Photoshop.

2 years ago

elmkjaer

52 Messages

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1.5K Points

For gods sake learn your lesson - YOU CANNOT CHANGE DEFAULT BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS !!! It is NEVER EVER ACCEPTABLE nor desirable. Another one of those stupid "improvements" that everybody hates and Adobe has to roll back. Who the f ... signs off on these things? Insane. Could we PLEASE get through 2019 without anymore of this "improvement" crap ?

2 years ago

lonny_cloud

44 Messages

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1.6K Points

Thank you Michael Madsen!

2 years ago

mariah_parker

10 Messages

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286 Points

Yes, please!! No more stupid 'improvements' that wreak havoc on those of us who use this program on a professional basis!!

2 years ago

marcus_spaull

10 Messages

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256 Points

How has this not been fixed yet? I shouldn't have to alter my system files to get functionality we have had since the beginning!

2 years ago

eleanor_shanks

1 Message

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122 Points

When will this be changed back.
This is driving me crazy.
It slows me down and pisses me off EVERY TIME.

2 years ago

lee_berg

5 Messages

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104 Points

Totally agree with everyone on this post. What's the point of the "chain link" icon to turn proportional scaling off and on. This affects not just edit transformations, but selection transformation, as well.

a year ago

amy_grzina

1 Message

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102 Points

I've been using Photoshop for what, 15 years? And they go and change something so basic. Every software I have uses shift to resize proportionally. And the only way to go back to legacy is to write a line of code? All this and getting raped by the ridiculous subscription price. Once again Adobe working hard to piss off the designers who rely on Creative Cloud to run a business. I wish I never switched to InDesign. My headstone will read "Paid for CC subscription until death."

a year ago

david_swift_7083154

23 Messages

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454 Points

Hey! Wise guys at Adobe....Why are you messing around with basic tool shortcuts that warrant no unnecessary changes? You are wasting peoples' time by doing this.
IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

a year ago

john_reed_3jbled62qea5k

1 Message

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62 Points

Why are they insisting on plinking around with WELL ESTABLISHED TOOLS? I use 10 image editing applications everyday. Do I really have to learn a new set of trick for a program I have owned since 1991??

a year ago

lwdgrfx

86 Messages

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2.8K Points

Oh, I sympathize. I think someone is asleep at the wheel at Adobe.

3 months ago

john_mcassey

245 Messages

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4K Points

2 years ago

How do I turn off the new proportional scaling by default behavior while transforming layers?

To revert to the legacy transform behavior, do the following:

Use Notepad (Windows) or a text editor on Mac OS to create a plain text file (.txt).
Type the text below in the text file:

TransformProportionalScale 0
Save the file as "PSUserConfig.txt" to your Photoshop settings folder:
- Windows: [Installation Drive]:\Users\[User Name]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings\
- macOS: //Users/[User Name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/

clocksworth

16 Messages

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822 Points

Thank you dearly, John.

2 years ago

claytonking

61 Messages

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3.2K Points

Thank you. This is an absurd change.

2 years ago

johnkimak

3 Messages

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220 Points

Thank you!!
(did you notice multiple undo is now just command + Z and no longer command + option + Z? I prefer the classic command + Z to quickly undo and redo the last change...oh well.)

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

So like me, but you may at least change your shortcuts to have it back.

2 years ago

bryan_groulx

2 Messages

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252 Points

THANK YOU. It's been 24 hours of torture. HOW does a major universal industry application like Photoshop arbitrarily reverse a SHIFT key functionality like that. Holy smokes. It was COMPLETELY changing my workflow last night. 15 years ... then overnight... mandatory functionality switch???

2 years ago

denise_duval

38 Messages

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798 Points

At least the undo is consistent with other apps behavior. The Scale behavior is now totally different than other apps, when going back and forth all day from PSD to Illust to Indesign I keep hoping they will be more alike.

2 years ago

ori_manor

4 Messages

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592 Points

Hey, I'm using Windows 10, and for some reason this folder you are talking about doesn't exist where you pointed.
Any idea where to find it?
Thanks

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

Top menu: Folder Options: View Tab: look for “Hidden Files and Folders” : check Show hidden files

2 years ago

ori_manor

4 Messages

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592 Points

Thanks,
I did find the folder and created the file as you instructed above, but when I opened PS again, it didn't make any change to the new behavior.

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

hmm. Really? It should work.

Maybe recheck the spelling? Make sure it's a .txt file.

2 years ago

ori_manor

4 Messages

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592 Points

I just copied and pasted what you put above...
Well, guess I'm doomed to use the new setting until adobe fixes this stupidity.
I'll just have to get used to it.
Thanks anyway :)

2 years ago

erik_hofmann_h7qfc2k82k8o8

13 Messages

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818 Points

Thank you very much, John. I feel almost home again.

@Ori don't try to get used to it. It's like getting used to reverse driving! It should be all case sensitive so write it exactly as above... Maybe you installed PS / CC for all users? I believe then you need another user folder, right?

2 years ago

chris_ogden_3953179

33 Messages

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578 Points

THANK YOU for your post to disable the idiotic change sans legacy pref.

On Macintosh High Sierra 10.13.6, I did exactly as you detailed (copy/pasting the command, so it's case sensitive; checking for invisibles, none except the single space; etc.)

~/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/PSUserConfig.txt
=> TransformProportionalScale 0

Quit/restart PS and no change.

Any further wisdom to fix this maddening new behavior?

###

OK, answering my own question. It took another hour of experimenting (locations, permissions, text file encoding, etc.), but HERE'S THE FIX (for Mac Users): the text file must be saved as a Unicode UTF-8 file.

If it's a UTF-16 file (a more current version which some text editors default to), it won't work.

And, it even supports comments if your start a line with a hashtag (eg, # Revert idiotic removal of shift key for proportional constraint changes by Adobe in PS CC 2019).

...Thanks to our PS internet village for sharing the wisdom. Fingers crossed that before changing a highly used function that is built into the muscle memory of tens (hundreds?) of thousands of experienced users, Adobe will include it as a Preferences checkbox!

2 years ago

luke_rolka

4 Messages

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262 Points

It's definitely hundreds of thousands. I spent ten minutes trying to scale an icon and searching the web until I figured out they reversed the behavior. It's like taking every Xbox controller and deciding that "reversed" is the new standard.

2 years ago

colin_browne_6327228

5 Messages

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146 Points

It worked! Thanks a million!

2 years ago

mike_kern_kh4bbd27dj95j

1 Message

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140 Points

OMG - WTF - Adobe... what were you thinking??? Thanks a million - I thought I was loosing my mind - I have used Photoshop since inception. Can't change some of those things.

2 years ago

Rosa

540 Messages

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12.3K Points

We shouldn't have to do this. This is Adobe's responsibility. We don't get paid the big bucks to code Adobe software. Come on Adobe engineers, listen to us, your long term loyal users. . . . Then again why would you Adobe, when you probably get thousands of 'new' customers a week, who wouldn't know about the dramas we 'old school' had to put up with your buggy software. I guess our threats of abandoning your product wouldn't worry you in the least.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

Maybe something will be chnaged for better. I see there are other popular topics from past with many likes however noticably less than this one. They had no any impact though, but maybe now there is little more chance for some kind of reversion:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/photoshop_6_crop_tool

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/do-you-plan-to-include-device-preview-back-to...

2 years ago

tim_neeley

23 Messages

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400 Points

I couldn't find this folder/path:

macOS: //Users/[User Name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/

What am I doing wrong?

2 years ago

tim_neeley

23 Messages

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400 Points

I couldn't find this folder/path:

macOS: //Users/[User Name]/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/

What am I doing wrong?

2 years ago

cristen_gillespie_7908527

2K Messages

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35K Points

You have made absolutely certain you're in the user Library, and not the Macintosh HD Library? Oh, I forgot. Apple tries to hide this from us. I've unhidden it. You can use Go> Library and it will take you directly to the user Library.

2 years ago

tim_neeley

23 Messages

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400 Points

I was in the user folder but sure enough, Library was hidden. First time I did try "Go to folder> Library" and it didn't take me directly to user Library...only after I unhide the folder.

Thanks! you saved me!

2 years ago

cristen_gillespie_7908527

2K Messages

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35K Points

I'm glad you were able to work it out.

Since Adobe never announces its modifying a feature, we won't know if they'll do something to make this more user friendly or not— until they do it or don't. '-}

I was using Procreate on my iPad with layers of images today—I've only recently begun to use it—and when you click on the Arrow that brings up the Transform and Move/Flip, etc., controls, by default Procreate sets the controls to free transform. It wasn't exactly sticky, either, so here I've trained myself that mobile apps use constrained transform by default, PS uses constrained transform by default, and now I was constantly resizing an image only to have it distort—same problem I'm having in Illustrator.<sigh> In Procreate I had to keep remembering to look at the controls, rather than simply start transforming on the document.

This is truly a mess across all the apps and desktop programs. Anyway, Procreate has been around a donkey's age, too, on mobile devices, so defaults are obviously anything the app designers want them to be. If there's some standards consortium that they're all moving towards, I haven't seen the results yet with the apps I have.

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

The MacOS hiding thing needs to be a preference if it isn't already. I don't need my own computer hiding files from me. LOL

2 years ago

warren_heaton

379 Messages

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7.2K Points

For anyone having trouble getting to the correct Library folder on macOS, do the following:

1. Select and copy the following line:
~/Library/Preferences/Adobe Photoshop CC 2019 Settings/

2. In the Finder, choose Go > Go to Folder... to open the Go to Folder window.

3. With the text field in the Go to Folder window active, choose Edit > Paste and then click Go.

Alternatives:
• In the Finder, hold the Option key when choosing the Go pulldown menu to show the User's Library folder in the Go menu list.
• In the Finder, go to Help > Search and enter "Library" and then hover your mouse of the results "Menu Items: Library". A large blue arrow will reveal the User's Library folder.

Image httpsd2r1vs3d9006apcloudfrontnets3_images1768287RackMultipart20181220-36622-1xjjyqv-Help_-_Search_-_Library_inlinepng1545342455

// Warren Heaton, ACP/UGM/AEL

2 years ago

agittrain

23 Messages

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616 Points

To be candid, this solution is not acceptable. We pay a lot of money every year to use this software. We shouldn't have to go writing & moving config files around our system folders. At the least, this should be a checkbox option somewhere in preferences or in the UI.

2 years ago

paul_kettlewell

15 Messages

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652 Points

To be even more accurate ... I don't think it's allowed ... covered by the terms of use ...

Comes under modify ... ???

18. No Modifications, Reverse Engineering.

Except as expressly permitted in the Terms, you may not (a) modify, port, adapt or translate any portion of the Services or Software; or (b) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble ... blah blah blah ... yada yada yada ...

2 years ago

cristen_gillespie_7908527

2K Messages

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35K Points

Although that is a pretty specious argument since Adobe can give us anything, including installation instructions, and we're not "reverse engineering," nor decompiling. We're allowed to add and delete as much as we want—that's the purpose of scripts, plug-ins, extensions, and the ability to write our own. Their own folders and files are not protected against us deleting them, either, thus altering the app often considerably, sometimes to benefit under their own instructions.

Unless Adobe provides it, of course, it doesn't come with any guarantee of working and not killing the app. . . Of course, IF Adobe provides it, the only guarantee is that they'll get around to fixing problems in the order of magnitude that they consider them to fall under. '-}

2 years ago

warren_heaton

379 Messages

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7.2K Points

As far as "I don't think it's allowed" goes, it's a user-configurable change (it's literally named "PSUserConfig.txt") and as such within the user agreement guidelines.

// Warren Heaton, ACP/UGM/AEL

2 years ago

michael_stephenson_8jcra7ubi6kyc

12 Messages

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454 Points

When the hell is this getting fixed ? Why are we still waiting ?

a year ago

ken_friberg

4 Messages

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634 Points

2 years ago

Particularly unnecessary since SHIFT is stilled used to constraint other things like brushes to a straight line and cropping. Retrain to not use SHIFT for only one tool (?)

agittrain

23 Messages

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616 Points

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

2 years ago

Traditionally, shift is used to constrain in several non-Adobe programs. I would think most software users have adopted that is a defacto command.

I hope this becomes a user preference

heinrich_helmbold

36 Messages

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968 Points

2 years ago

Adobe just HAD to be different, so they made it that you had to hold in Shift to constrain. Just about all other apps auto constrained and scaled based on the selection handle you scaled with. So all people started adopting Adobe's change... Now they introduce it as a "New Feature" instead of saying - sorry we messed up all these years.

ori_manor

4 Messages

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592 Points

2 years ago

This is by far one of the most stupid and unnecessary changes!
They broke the most basic rule: Never fix what is not broken.

heinrich_helmbold

36 Messages

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968 Points

Well they broke that rule a very long time ago and people adopted it as the norm. Now they are trying to fix what they fixed when it wasn't broken

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

I don't remember it worked previously differently than till now. When it worked like now then?

2 years ago

nolan_conley

68 Messages

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2.2K Points

Don't forget the Crop Tool change in PS CS6.... that was a masterful screw-up if ever!

2 years ago

peter_figen

26 Messages

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1.1K Points

Nolan - Yeah, they screwed that up too, but at least they put a Use Legacy checkbox there that worked. Check that box and you're good to go.

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

2 years ago

One thing I am starting to be more aware of it when you click too far out of the transform bounding box, it stamps the change. It was only today that I realize I hate this after wanting to select all to rotate the entire image slightly.

Even if it's a tiny effort to have the cursor closer, these little things add up and are just annoying.

joel_sigerson_4214320

126 Messages

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2.5K Points

this is my biggest problem with 2019

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

They should let us choose the way we want to confirm changes!

2 years ago

Rosa

540 Messages

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12.3K Points

I also became aware of the same thing. . . even using the distortion has caused me grief. . I've wasted too much time and brain energy on CC 2019. I've gone back to 2018

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

Instead of fixing bugs I hated in CC 2018 (they moved them to CC 2019) now they introduce new ones that what's 'funny' are intended (problematic) behaviours :/

2 years ago

peter_figen

26 Messages

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1.1K Points

Mark - Fully agree. There are many times where you WANT to move your cursor farther away from the corner to make very minute changes, and now if you go too far, bam, you've committed the transform. So far I have yet to see, although I may have missed it, any kind of mea culpa from Adobe saying that they indeed, did eff it up and will have a fix shortly. In the meantime, the text file works fine but does not increase the safe zone around the frame during a (not so) Free Transform.

2 years ago

ben_1260277

60 Messages

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2.2K Points

Christ, I couldn't work out what this problem was, infuriating sorry.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

Each recreated feature should have option to revert.

2 years ago

josh_mishell_386518

3 Messages

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512 Points

2 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please add a toggle button to allow for legacy scale options..

It used to be that to maintain proportional scaling, a user would hold the shift key while scaling. In Photoshop CC 2019 the proportional scaling is done without pushing anything, but now when you hold the Shift key it UNLOCKS proportional scaling.

To just change the scale tool to be backwards relative to how it has very literally always been without an easy way to change it back or any documentation the first time you use Photoshop CC 2019 is ridiculous. It shows that the people making the software don't actually use the software.

The fix is easy: Instead of making some one line script file, have an in-app toggle switch to allow for legacy scaling proportional.

I've been using Photoshop for 25 years, and this is absolutely 100% perplexing.

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

I agree, that change was not needed for anything :(

2 years ago

sharon_mcdermott

1 Message

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222 Points

The fact that so many users have had to trawl through forums to find out how to use a tool thats worked perfectly well in one way for years, is ridiculous.

2 years ago

cristen_gillespie_7908527

2K Messages

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35K Points

You're supposed to just "know" that you should click on the What's New below the app name to get to a page that tells you what's new.

But I do see a couple of significant usability issues. For one thing, the What's New is hardly prominent. It could be so it acted more like a warning than marketing, just in case you were interested.

For another, when I look at the page, the whole new Transform and Auto-commit is under the heading "Usability Improvements." Way to be so boring and technical on that page, no one reads it. The headers, imo, should be the feature names to direct our attention, not "Usability," or "Top Customer Requests." They could even use heads and subheads so they could put Usability Improvements underneath Transform and Auto-Commit. Subheads were invented a while ago, I believe.

But it's not as if they don't tell us—they just do it very quietly. '-}

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

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3.4K Points

It's not that you cannot easily find the "feature" under what's new. It's just a bad feature. I did not hard to find out in 3 minutes that they reversed the constrain.

Further, Adobe's Whats New Page did not offer a fix there, someone here supplied it.

Most people find these features while working. Whats New Page would just make you frustrated in advance before finding them.

2 years ago

cristen_gillespie_7908527

2K Messages

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35K Points

Finding a "fix," since there wasn't officially a hack to "fix" transform, isn't the same issue as " users have had to trawl through forums to find out how to use a tool thats worked perfectly well in one way for years. . . " You didn't have to trawl to find out how it worked, only notice that there was a central location for finding out what was new before you went any further. You may think that reading the What's New page just makes you frustrated in advance. I prefer to know in advance what to look out for and test —before I make up my mind that it's a good idea or a terrible idea.

And I do think that better headers, like having a good index (which we don't have for the online guide), helps people quickly find what interests them. Getting their attention is half the battle in good design.

But yes, to fix Transform—since they didn't intend for us to choose to go back or they'd have given us a legacy setting—you do have to search hard, and in fact, had to wait for someone to supply it. Not that I think it's a genuine "fix" if you have to hack code to do it. <g>

2 years ago

max_johnson_7790531

Champion

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625 Messages

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14.6K Points

2 years ago

Anyone who wants this change needs to "Me Too" at the top of the page... that's how the requests get prioritized. I am not sure if merged pages add their "Me Too"s...

JeffreyTranberry

Adobe Administrator

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15.1K Messages

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288.3K Points

Yep. Merging does add up the Votes from the merged topic (but won't double votes if the same person votes on both the parent and merged doc - of that makes sense)

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

Good to know votes are merged, I always thought we lose them.

2 years ago

heinrich_helmbold

36 Messages

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968 Points

From a practical point this change makes sense... I teach new students and holding shift while constraining is just not natural because every app they use outside of Photoshop doesn't require holding shift.

BUT... The way Adobe implimented this shows their attitude and that they really couldn't care about existing users. They already have our money. They are only interested in getting new clients.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

Mostly I see people say other applications also use 'shift' as modifier that let keep proportions, and that I noticed it's true. Can you say names of those other application that is different? Normally it's like in was till now, but even if different then for sure not that all other applications had that way to do it, not even half of them.

2 years ago

heinrich_helmbold

36 Messages

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968 Points

"Simple apps" like Powerpoint, Word etc don't use shift - just drag a corner and it keeps proportions. CorelDRAW / PhotoPaint also keeps proportions when using the corner handles. (Well used to when I used it before Adobe)

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

So in those other apps when you hold shift you're getting free transform, so like now in CC2019? - fixed typo - moderator -

2 years ago

Rosa

540 Messages

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12.3K Points

lol Kukurykus need to change shift word unless it's intentional
. . .

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

I think we were using shift back in the Quark Xpress days, also a lot of audio software, cad software, any program even using shift select - multiple selections are rarely made by default. In general shift is a function that skips manual steps or loose movement ie. constrain.

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

I wasn't aware of, but sounds good when someone likes to mold shapes from that kind of material. The only tools to transform that unproportionally are your hands and insensitve nose of course ;)

2 years ago

kukurykus

631 Messages

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9.6K Points

You meant in Quark Xpress and other apps shift worked like in CC 2018 or CC 2019?

2 years ago

mark_payne_6851786

131 Messages

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3.4K Points

No I mean that things like drag in a straight line, select multiple objects, rotate to angles - these kind of functions are rarely done by default in most software I've used.

Shift is widely know as a constrain or multiple selection function. It is a convention. Open up a folder in Windows and click on several items in a list. Would you want to multiply select without shift.

I'm not arguing, I am only discussing this in principle - as it could be a slippery slope.

2 years ago

kukurykus

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Now I understand. I have the same opinion. The example with selecting multiple files with no 'shift' was one of better I heard :D Such simplicity would kill the logic why modifier keys even exist. They are support for additional operations. If we revert it we're going to 'lose' time not on holding them, but thinking whether we should do that for certain action as now I see some operations need them while others inconsistently don't.

2 years ago

Rosa

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2 years ago

Bug. Maintain aspect ratio constrain link on the toolbar does not work in cc 2019.
* Need to look at this bug also with the constrain link -

When you un-check the Maintain aspect ratio constrain link on the toolbar and then use transform it still maintains aspect ratio. . . un-checking the link should disable maintain aspect ratio shouldn't it? Well it doesn't.

Also shift key + transform disables Maintain aspect ratio but doesn't correspond with the constrain link on the tool bar.

lee_berg

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Me Too. I had to waste a lot of time digging through web searches to find this out. What's the point of the constraint link on the toolbar?

a year ago

max_johnson_7790531

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2 years ago

I think we can all agree that there should be a preference toggle and the "Maintain aspect ratio" constrain link on the toolbar should function properly. Additionally, a popup blocker to notify users of these changes to default behavior and a checkbox in that dialog to set the preference is a MUST HAVE for future changes like this (and the "auto-select" feature of the move tool).

That said, the decision to flip the default behavior is not a bug. It's an inconvenience to retrain habits, but I know that I and a lot of others transform with constraints on far more (like, 90% of the time for me) than not, so for us, this is a workflow improvement. I will be not have to be constantly holding shift with my pinkey finger! Thanks Adobe!

Let's ask for a preference setting, fix the aspect-ratio button in the tool bar, and cut down on the "I can't believe..."s and "How could they..."s.

Will there be some initial frustration when we hold shift and the transform box goes all wobbly? Sure. What's the solution? Let go of the shift key. There are more disruptive and destructive bugs and changes that we can focus on.

kukurykus

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The only I'd like to have is the option to decide behaviour of that, so that was like now or before.

2 years ago

paul_peddrick

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Sorry -- I disagree. By those standards there is no such thing as designing a product for your existing users. No existing user is helped by changing an easy, learned and automatic behavior. It's like re-arranging the keys on a piano. Middle C is one key to the right now! So much more convenient! Thank you piano tuner for forcing me to re-learn my craft! If you want to default the constraint on, that's fine. Just don't use the traditional "constrain" key to unconstrain!

2 years ago

kukurykus

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Do you reply for Max Johnson or mine comment? If mine the best for me would be like that was so far, till CC 2019 release, but I know half of users want it like it's now, so best is if these 2 kind of user groups could choose how they want 'shift' worked during their own session. I think that is possible by adding checkbox to preferences (even if that needed to restart Photoshop), don't you think so?

2 years ago