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1.3K Points

Tue, Dec 1, 2015 8:13 PM

Photoshop CC 2015.1: New user interface lacks contrast and many usability cues, lots of other problems

I just updated to Photoshop CC(2015) version 2015.1. Adobe changed the UI to the flat look you see on phones and tablets. I do not see any way to select the classic interface, which I'm sure many desktop users of PS prefer.

This feels yet another attempt by Adobe to be trendy without caring about what users want or need. Didn't they learn anything from the dumbed-down Lightroom import fiasco?

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2 Messages

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120 Points

5 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Difficult-To-Read Photoshop GUI.

The new Photoshop GUI is genuinely problematical with its lack of contrast in all but the darkest themes. It's not a question of "getting used to a new UI," it's just plain too hard to read. I personally gravitate to the lightest theme because the dark theme tires my eyes during a long session, and I suspect I'm not alone in that.

If Adobe is going to insist upon being trendy by jumping on the flat-look bandwagon, at least give the user the option of determining how dark the text reads in relation to the background. If HTML is now being used for designing the interface, there's no reason a few additional customization options can't be thrown into the mix.

72 Messages

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1.4K Points

5 years ago

Quick mask doesn't really show in the layers, before it has much better visibility.
Also, opacity and fill has lost it's quick slider.
That makes no sense, now it's way harder to work with Photoshop.

29 Messages

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744 Points

It's exactly as what Von Glitschka complains about Illustrator. It seems that Adobe developers add half baked features nobody wants instead of fixing bugs and that generally they don't use what they develop. Otherwise how would you explain releasing a software with such a huge bug as the Liquify one? Let alone the crappy interface...

72 Messages

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1.4K Points

howly cow, I didn't just see that now, that's massive. Unusable. I expect a fix asap.

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100 Points

5 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled User Interface Photoshop CC update not Workable!!!!!.

58 Messages

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1.9K Points

5 years ago

If I wanted a childish Photoshop interface I would get my 7 year old grandson to design one. I do not expect such crap to come from what used to be the world's premium digital photo processing company. Fix this garbage UI now or at the very least provide a rollback option. My blood is boiling.

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80 Points

5 years ago

Classic example of self-important people that find a way to break something -- only to justify their existence.

Hellooooo Adobe, in case you didn't get the memo...

“ Design is not just what it looks and feels like. Design is how it works.”
– Steve Jobs

Adobe EPIC FAIL!

REVERT AT ONCE!!!!!!

4 Messages

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100 Points

exactly...!

38 Messages

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1.2K Points

5 years ago

Apple and Microsoft have both invested millions developing their user interface standards. The best apps stand out not by fiddling with the widgets and chrome of the interface design, but by providing powerful and elegant tools which leverage the skills _which I already know_ in the particular environment.

If Adobe wants to be in the operating system design business, that's fine, but it's a mystery to me why it insists on foisting non-standard UI on us just for the sake of something new.

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206 Points

5 years ago

This is just ridiculous. I've paid for Photoshop for almost a decade now and am appalled at these design changes. This isn't a step in the right direction by any means and needs to be reverted immediately. May be time to switch to Sketch for UI work. Disappointed Adobe. Disappointed.

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206 Points

5 years ago

Seriously what are you playing at? After reading through some of these other comments I feel that I may have been too calm surrounding this. Your software has been used by some of the leading experts in the design industry for years, so to roll out such an amateurish & unpolished excuse for a 'design refresh' is alarming to say the least. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I trust that this will be reverted in the next update.

72 Messages

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1.4K Points

5 years ago

Also , the open file dialogue box opens always as the smallest window possible, can you please fix this !

15.1K Messages

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195.8K Points

That is a well known MacOS bug, and the OS open dialog and it's size are controlled by the OS and not the application.

72 Messages

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1.4K Points

Thanks for the quick reply, I am confident you guys will fix the bug pretty soon.
Is there a timeframe already?
Also are there any plans to bring back a more visible layer marking back. I do find it hard to see when a layer is in quickmaskmode. That hardly different from the normal mode. I do think it was way easier with a blue color scheme in layers and it should be all about being easy versus being stylish.
Andi

15.1K Messages

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195.8K Points

No, we do not have a timeframe for Apple's OS bug fixes.

72 Messages

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1.4K Points

Thanks, I did not mean the OS bug obviously, what I meant is, how long will it take to fix the liquify bug and how long will it take to bring the UI back to a workable design.
Andi

48 Messages

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1.3K Points

5 years ago

The version I complained about in my OP is the Nov 30, 2015 version. Help -> System Info says

"Adobe Photoshop Version: 2015.1 20151114.r.301 2015/11/14:23:59:59 CL 1053036 x64"

Today there is an update available from Creative Cloud, but the "What's New" only mentions an update to Camera Raw. Has anyone installed it? I have not. If you have, does it do anything to the UI?

Adobe obviously considers their changes to the UI to be so minor that they didn't bother to mention it in the release notes for 2015.1 -- not even under "Other Enhancements" (see https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/usi...). So I wouldn't be surprised if they reverse the change, they do so once again without mentioning it!

23 Messages

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516 Points

I'm using CC 2015.0.0 and NO WAY I'm upgrading this to find that Slow UI again.

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506 Points

5 years ago

Yes John, I've installed it - more in hope than expectation that things might have improved.

I don't usually update my software immediately, but I just figured they couldn't make it any worse. After all, what kind of muppet would decide to do a thing like that?

Anyway, no difference whatsoever that I can make out so far.

43 Messages

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1.2K Points

5 years ago

I've said above, John and Bob, if you are on Mac, following Greg Justice's advice, I fetched version 15.0.1 in Time Machine avec copied the folder alongside 15.1. This gives me back the previous version and that one is perfectly OK. I will ditch the 15.1 folder entirely tomorrow. This 15.0.1 version is perfect for me and I will stick with that version as long as I can.

Nobody will force me to squint all day long at two 30 inchers because I can't read what's there. Nobody.

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506 Points

5 years ago

I've now done that Roger and am happily running the older and "proper" version - but it really shouldn't have to be this way, Adobe.

Incidentally, is anyone from Adobe picking up on this, as the silence is deafening?

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3.9K Points

Hi Bob and all. Yes, I for one am listening carefully. I am not directly responsible for the design of the UI update, but I am a developer working on Photoshop UI and I'm very concerned with the app's usability. I hear that most posters on this thread are unhappy with the reduced contrast and removal of some control boundary outlines. Those complaints make sense to me and I will reflect them to the Experience Design team. Some other changes were made to make the UI more touch friendly. There were also many behind the scenes changes to make the UI maintainable and to accommodate different density displays.

It may seem as though the changes were made casually and arbitrarily, but the UI refresh has actually been a major amount of work. There has been much design work, engineering planning, and user testing. Although we worked hard to improve the product, obviously for some users the changes are not positive.

The ideas about optionally providing the old or other alternative UIs are attractive, but not practical on our codebase. For one example, there are literally thousands of icons and other elements that would need to be generated and maintained for each version of the UI.

I'm sorry the app is more difficult for you to use and I really don't like that you want to roll back to earlier versions. I hope that we can create a UI that makes you happy while also allowing us to keep it moving forward. I'm very glad to have your thoughtful feedback. Your passion for the product is inspiring

David

David Tristram
Photoshop UI Engineering

38 Messages

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1.2K Points

Thanks for your comment, David. I think there is a widespread dissatisfaction with Adobe's insistence on creating a non-standard interface for each platform. Mac software should look like Mac software, and Windows software should look like Windows software. Adobe is delivering a weird Adobe-specific interface, which is frankly a pain in the butt for everybody on both platforms.

13 Messages

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506 Points

I'll echo those thanks too David, but how on Earth did this abomination ever get out into the wild? I've rolled-back to 16.0.1 via Time Machine and I've never had to do anything like that before with any software programme in 20 years of pro use.

If this issue hasn't yet caught the gaze of people who have the influence to improve things at Adobe, could you please make sure they do.
Many thanks again for taking the time.
Bob

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1.2K Points

I also thank you for your input, David. But I must agree with Robert entirely. I'm sure that you as a team didn't come with this for the fun of it. However, the absolute need to blend into the operating system as much as possible should be one of your major goals. None of us are doing this kind of thing for fun. We're working, and for that we're ready to pay month after month for good software.

I can understand that you want to accommodate users that work with touch friendly devices. But I, for one, a working with two 30 in monitors that absolutely nobody has any right to touch. Nobody. Precise work is done with a Wacom tablet. This is the kind of setup many pro photoshop users will use. Your product is for professionals, don't forget it.

I have already gone back to 16.0.1 which is OK. If I'm OK for a year or two with this one, and as long as it goes well with my workflow. I will not update, I cannot take the chance, I've lot enough time over this already.

29 Messages

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744 Points

Thanks for your comment David. You talk about much design work and planning, and I'm ok with that, but what about user testing? Considering that, from what I've been reading over the internet and from my own experience with the software, I'd say that the 90% of the user base is unsatisfied with the latest update. Who are those users that tested it?

Moreover, "Some other changes were made to make the UI more touch friendly". Who asked for it? Is the touch-based user base so important? More than the pro-user base?

The UI that makes us happy is the UI we are used to. Period. This is not a joke and I think this is the first time that a UI change has got such a huge dissatisfaction.

Thank you.

2 Messages

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72 Points

I reinstalled PS 2014 after a day or so of frustration and annoyance with the new interface. The capper was how the frame and image sizing (CTRL-0, CTRL-minus key) work differently--I do a lot of cropping, so the 2015 way of doing things was really, really annoying. Also, it now appears I can't drag images from another application (e.g., Explorer), and drop them into PS. WHY? This does not improve my workflow, it hinders it.

I've been using PS since 1998, and can't understand why Adobe had to fix something that wasn't broken--particularly with something so critical to their users--the interface and the way it functions.

9 Messages

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218 Points

5 years ago

at least put some depth in the boxes like the preview morris did. it makes it way easier to read / see what's going on. or just make the old ui optional.

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168 Points

5 years ago

Why would you change something that noone complains about. If you have to add new interface colors give us a choice to go back to the old ones. Let there be 6-8 different choices. I have to use bright colors but cant see nothing on the flat crap version. I have used it since the beginning of Adobe CS3. Why did you change it????????

This is the first time I was looking for an alternative to Photoshop because stupid thing like this and I am already testing Affinity.