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1.3K Points

Tue, Dec 1, 2015 8:13 PM

Photoshop CC 2015.1: New user interface lacks contrast and many usability cues, lots of other problems

I just updated to Photoshop CC(2015) version 2015.1. Adobe changed the UI to the flat look you see on phones and tablets. I do not see any way to select the classic interface, which I'm sure many desktop users of PS prefer.

This feels yet another attempt by Adobe to be trendy without caring about what users want or need. Didn't they learn anything from the dumbed-down Lightroom import fiasco?

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99 Messages

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3.5K Points

5 y ago

I just my Adobe rental renewal notice... $600 for another year. Aside from the core group of apps, the rest are just art school student fluff. I got 5 years+ from my $600 CS5 full suite upgrade, and everything looked and worked fine. Photoshop 2014 was the last okay update. They have us over a barrel unless other programs come along that can adequately replace them. I'm no longer the loyal user I once was. I do it only because I need to interface with other professionals.

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126 Points

5 y ago

As said by everyone else here... The UI and low contrast color scheme is unusable. I can't see anything! It's very hard to tell which layers and layer comps are selected and depending on the theme chosen in Interface > Appearance (specifically the third one), gray on gray on gray MUST be a joke. Has to be. Makes no sense otherwise.

End the joke and fix the <profanity removed by admin>. Can't tell nothin'.

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92 Points

5 y ago

I am all for UI improvements but now I'll be scheduling an eye exam simply because this over the top subtleness is really stressful. Simply look at the Character menu and ask yourself from a visual distinction pov as well as structure of the menu, 'is this some sort of bad joke'?

156 Messages

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4.3K Points

Not so much a bad joke but an example of irresponsible management which failed to curb the excesses of inexperienced and immature graphics designers who apparently have no understanding of the importance of a UI as a workable set of TOOLS and not a glib and casual "Experience"!

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546 Points

In case you think our feedback is going to get any adjustment to the interface, you're wrong. Camera Raw was just updated with the same swampy mess of gray on gray. Adobe proudly crows that it now matches the recent enhancements to the Photoshop user experience.

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960 Points

Seriously?! Sigh...

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744 Points

I have PS 2015.0.1 and decided to update Bridge. Now I have a strange classic/crappy hybrid UI. In Ps I can stay with the light grey color, but CameraRaw is stuck with the almost black interface and I'm afraid I can't change it.

156 Messages

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4.3K Points

In your Prefs (in both Ps and in Br) change the Color Theme to the lightest version and ACR should then operate in the light version.

You may have to reboot for the changes to take effect across all programs.

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744 Points

Thank you, it works. The only drawback is that launching ACR from Bridge keeps the setting as light grey, launching from PS keeps ACR as dark grey.

Anyway, light or dark is the same crap they are so proud of.

156 Messages

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4.3K Points

The ACR panel with the sliders should be light if you set the Prefs accordingly . The "apron" area around the image can be set to any tone that you choose. Just Control-click on the apron and choose a colour from the drop-down menu.

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142 Points

5 y ago

I just upgraded to CC yesterday at work and after retouching two photos went back to using CS6.  The flat grey on grey is completely pointless.

156 Messages

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4.3K Points

Anna:

If you have CC, look for "Previous Versions" in the Desktop Creative Cloud. Open the flippy arrow and you should see "Ps CC 2014". That version will give you the old, and much nicer, UI and is also a considerable upgrade from CS6.

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142 Points

It seems I don't have access to previous versions of CC, I'm assuming because we just got it.

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4.3K Points

That seems totally unfair!

If someone is paying for a CC subscription, they should surely have the same privileges as anyone else who is subscribing — regardless of when they joined CC?!

Check CC / Apps list to see that you really haven't got access. Half way down the list you should see this:

If you really can't find it, I would call Customer Service and ask for this to be put right.

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142 Points

I have it but my only option for an older version is CS6, nothing older in CC.

156 Messages

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4.3K Points

Try un-installing CS6 (doing it through the Desktop CC Panel) — but do preserve your Prefs and Settings!

Then click to Re-install a Ps Older version and you should see this "Available Versions" drop-down list after you click on the "Ps Install" button:

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142 Points

I have zero options other than CC 2015 :(

156 Messages

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4.3K Points

Try calling Customer Support and see if they can help?

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142 Points

Well the problem is sort of solved.  As long as my computer isn't logged into the cloud it opens the 2015.0.0 version which is a lot easier on the eyes.  

58 Messages

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1.9K Points

5 y ago

You can still download Photoshop CC2014 (the best version) from the Adobe website -

 https://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=5771&fileID=5802

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546 Points

5 y ago

Sadly, as new features are added, we are compelled into using the new interface. For example, the latest version allows you to have multiple instances of layer styles. A very useful feature. We may have to grin and bear it, because it doesn't look like they're going to reverse themselves on the swampy grayness of the new interface.

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1.2K Points

The 2015.0.1 release has this feature, without the new flat UI.  If you can roll back to that, you're best off.

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3.5K Points

This is the one I'm using and happy to stick with it. 

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1.1K Points

Hi-- how do you roll back the useable older interface? Is it in the preferences?

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2.3K Points

Do you think this thread would be eight pages long if it were that simple? All you can do is install an older version of Photoshop.

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978 Points

5 y ago

I can't believe my eyes, after rolling back to CC2014 in PS I'm now faced with this in 3ds Max 2017, for gods sake what is going here, is everyone on the Microsoft skeuomorphic bandwagon. !!!!?????????

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1.2K Points

What does 3ds Max have to do with Photoshop? It's hard enough to get Adobe to address concerns with their own products. Please don't dilute the conversation with complaints about other software. You also might want to check the definition of skeumorphic

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978 Points

If you can't see it your as blind as Adobe.

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960 Points

It's all a fad - the trouble is, Adobe (and other larger software companies such as Autodesk) always seem to be lagging behind: the flat look is already on the retreat on many websites, while it was very popular for a while.

Every time I open the new version of Photoshop at work my first response is to close it again. It is just so ugly looking, and eye-straining to work with.

Oh, regarding the word:

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978 Points

lol, yeah I know..I'd had a drink last night..I knew what I meant :p

re:  the UI, what Autodesk does have is the ability to change the UI colors, text input boxes etc, Adobe need to give this feature to it's users.

the flat look is already on the retreat on many websites, while it was very popular for a while.
I so hope you are right.

29 Messages

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750 Points

Nope, Adobe needs to revert to the old UI ASAP!

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978 Points

If it had the ability to change every colour on every part of the UI it wouldn't need to.

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750 Points

I don't want to spent hours to customize a UI.
I want a workable UI so I gan get to work.

28 Messages

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978 Points

It takes minutes and you only need to do it once, rest assured adobe will NOT revert the UI for you.

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750 Points

Sadly, they won't indeed...

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1.2K Points

Rob K, you're missing the point... And please let's bring some levity into this awful mess! Skeuomorphism... Thanks Richard.

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1.2K Points

Sorry, please illuminate the point of complaining about other company's software on an Adobe forum.  If anything, providing evidence that other software companies are also "flattening" their UI only serves to strengthen Adobe's position that they are on trend.  How that helps us get what we want in this particular discussion is a mystery to me.  

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978 Points

Skeuomorphism... Thanks Richard.
hehe, maybe anti-Skeuomorphic would have been a better description, the anti-Skeuomorphic bandwagon started by Microsoft with their bland lifeless UI.
Like herbert says,  I hope it's a fad that dies a painful death.

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960 Points

Richard, it is as you say: if only Photoshop's GUI (or any of Adobe's applications) would allow users to change all GUI elements' colours, we would see themes appear in the community which would accommodate even the most extremely opinionated user.

I hesitate to bring up another application here, but Blender allows for exactly that. Even the GUI elements' scale is seamlessly scalable with a simple PPI slider in the preferences. Many themes are available, built by the user community.

It is a breath of fresh air having this freedom.

But this will never be allowed by a hierarchical large company such as Adobe - it is the anti-thesis.

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1.9K Points

5 y ago

I wish Adobe would realize that the shock experienced by real users of the latest incarnation of Photoshop is actually about 8 on the Richter scale. I'm guessing the amount of money they wasted on Seth Shaw and rest of the 'design team' (lol) has also rendered our humble opinions useless and that we will be ignored in the hope we will all just go away. Anyway, for what it's worth the already outdated GUI of CC2015.1 is TERRIBLE and in my opinion at at least ranks as the world's worst attempt to 'lead the way' in anything.

Next update time Adobe consider the thousands of loyal customers you have and don't do anything as completely stupid ever again. 

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1.3K Points

> Next update time Adobe consider the thousands of loyal customers you have and don't do anything as completely stupid ever again.

Thousands of loyal customers count for nothing compared to millions of new customers at $10 a month.

Wait a while for a professional-quality alternative to Photoshop to appear in the market. It will be cheap and it will be sold with a perpetual license. By betraying its loyal customers, Adobe has created a great market opportunity for others!

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240 Points

5 y ago

I really wonder if there was any UAT on this UI or is it just based on responses in some classes.
It is clear that the developers are not users, because most people find it awful and where is adobe with their response ? Crickets...  
Problem is that people (have to) use this software every day for its functionality, which is great, but to use the functionality we have to interact with the horrendous interface. 

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3.5K Points

I think Adobe's true intent will be more clear on the next version, whether they continue with this kind of developer arrogance, or try to find a happy medium with the professional base by keeping proven features. I have no problem with them making more toys for the kids, but keep us professional folks happy.

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410 Points

5 y ago

Adobe CC and specifically Photoshop is the industry standard for many professionals and as such they need to be careful what they do from this point onwards.

If Adobe continue down this track of damaging a tool that has been invested into and relied upon by many professionals for literally decades now, they’ll be surely facing quite a significantly large class action lawsuit.

At a basic level, I am now locked into a subscription model that forces me to pay for software that is now out of date because the latest version seriously hinders productivity.

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410 Points

5 y ago

Adobe CC and specifically Photoshop is the industry standard for many professionals, and as such they need to be careful what they do from this point onwards.

If Adobe continue down this track of damaging a tool that has been invested into and relied upon by many professionals for literally decades now, they’ll be surely facing quite a significantly large class action lawsuit.

At a very basic level, I am now locked into a subscription model that forces me to pay for software that is now out of date because the latest version seriously hinders productivity.

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960 Points

5 y ago

Last Thursday I was teaching a class (post secondary, web development/design), and at some point I fired up Photoshop to create an image. I noticed the school had installed the latest version with the new GUI design.

One of the students lamented "Yeah, they installed the newest version. The interface is bad." All the other students agreed with him. A short discussion erupted at that moment about how they all really disliked the new GUI design. The students range mostly from age 19 up to 30 years old, 60% female, 40% male.

It's funny, because in my UX design classes I now discuss the new Photoshop GUI design with the students as a good example of how NOT to design a usable GUI.

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174 Points

5 y ago

While I agree with everyone's complaints about the look of the new UI, I am much more frustrated by changes in performance -- particularly the way the UI now centers every dialog box and never rememers where they have been repositioned by the user.  For me this means an extra step for virtually every tool, filter, or adjustment I call up -- to move the damned controls off the image I need to see to adjust.

Many have described getting their old UI back by rolling back to an earliuer version.  That hasn't worked for me.  Both with CC2014 and CS5, they adopted the behavior of the new UI the second time I opened them.  So I can't even roll back without leaving the cloud (which I would happily do if it were up to me).

The bottom line for me is that Adobe has done next to nothing to improve my productivity in the lastr two years while doing lots of stuff to impede it.  I am quite convinced that no one who designs this stuff ever actually uses it.  Moreover, I am sick to death of their paternalistc and condescending attitude.  I do not reject change out of hand; I reject change for the WORSE or for no good reason at all.

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195.8K Points

Photoshop only centers dialogs the first time they are shown - after that it remembers the last used position and size.   That has not changed.

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750 Points

I particularly (fully) agree with: "I do not reject change out of hand; I reject change for the WORSE or for no good reason at all."
And I really don't believe any one can work faster  with the new UI...

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1.2K Points

To Chris, dialogs position: you are absolutely right.

This proves that not everything is bad in Photoshop. It would really be fun if only we could say exactly the same thing about the UI! Oh God that would be great!

In the meanwhile, the whole Filter Gallery still works in 8 bit mode only, a pre-historic vestige right in the middle of Photoshop, unchanged for at least a decade. And it's the same for some other filters also.

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100 Points

5 y ago

Dear Adobe. You are doing software for professionals for many years. What's happen? The new interface is so, so bad, maybe the worst readable from start of the photoshop. Please do not make the UI nicer, do it better readable, easier to use, faster and more logical as is now. Nothing more we don't need from UI for such tool (Photoshop, Ai etc.). And please while you are testing "us" with new UI's, please give us checkbox for classic UI. We need work and not still trying to find "micro" buttons and icons on your new design experiments, now moreower  with bad contrast as bonus. Please, try to make the Photoshop engine better and don't change what is good on interface, or make the changes user selectable.
Thank you.

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234 Points

5 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Bad usability of Photoshop.

The User Interface of Photoshop is getting worse from version to version. 
1. low contrast
2. black UI is often very hard to work with. It is hard to read text and find elements.
3. no primary button (and the new ones are ugly as hell). You have now to read the labels to see where "Save" and wehre "Cancel" is.
4. no support for the eye with shadows on windows. So it's very hard to recognise if where a window ends and where is the underlying window. There is no visible border.
5. there is no clear separation between elements. I have problems to find things on big screens. I'm completely lost on some screens.

The whole UI just looks like a "I have to go with a trend, doesn't matter if it's useful or not". :(

I've decided to buy LR instead of Capture One because of the better interface and workflow. But now I'm afraid I will get the same horrible black UI on LR in the next version.

Please please hire some good UX Designer and just stop to follow silly trends.

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35K Points

The 2nd dark interface is the only color scheme I like. The black has too much contrast so it gives me eye strain. The lightish gray? is muddy, and the brightest one I wouldn't use, but if I did, I'd want it to be, well, bright. Not dim with black accents. The most complaints seem to come from the people who like a light interface. I guess that's changed too much for them.

I don't like the flatness, either, though. It's more difficult to know what's highlighted. Turning the visibility on and off for Smart Filters is a stab in the dark. It always has been and certainly isn't any easier now. It can be difficult to quickly tell if some icons or buttons are active or not.

I don't think they did desktop users a big favor by going to the flatness popular now with touch devices, especially when we don't want colorful icons and buttons to compete with our images— but I expect it'll all change again, and it's very difficult to keep complaining that it's not the greatest UI anyone has come up with. I just hope they never, ever go back to thinking it would be a good thing if they just turn all the panel tabs around 90 degrees so you read them sideways. . . '-}