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2.2K Points

Thu, Mar 31, 2011 12:41 PM

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Photoshop: Better Preset Organization (sub-folders, tag, search)

I'd love a better way to organize brushes, shapes, and styles. Perhaps a way to tag them, then search or sort by tag.

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4 Messages

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140 Points

9 years ago

Photoshop has poor organization. It should have the ability to "page" brushes easily and optionally sort by folder directory.

If you have more brushes that go off the page you should be able to page to the off page brushes. The designers must have never used more than a few brushes to have done it the way they did.

One should be able to organize any preset by folders/subdirectories and have the represented in photoshop. It is very easy to implement and unimaginable why such a dominant program in the industry is so weak on organization.

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122 Points

9 years ago

Photoshop cs5: Still no easy way to organize brushes...
I'm currently collecting some brushes, trying some, deleting others again and it is a pain to do, if you ask me. It would be awesome to have folders or groups in the brush menue to which you can drag and drop brushes (or out of it). This way I could much more easily reorganize my brushes. Rightclicking on a brush should open a sub menue for deleting, renaming or editing...the usual stuff.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop: Use folders for organizing brush presets.

7 Messages

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242 Points

9 years ago

Sub folders in the Brushes and Tools menus would be very easy to implement and make organising brushes much easier. For our digital painting work we use several sets of brush tools- one for high resolution natural media artwork, one for low-res cartoons, etc. Currently these are all kept in one very long list. Constantly Loading and Replacing brushes or tools is far from an ideal solution. Just allow sub folders in the drop-down!
Also- the brushes that show up in the Menu Bar Brushes drop down (usually displayed on the left) are not the same as those displayed in the Brush Tip Shape window of the Brushes Panel (usually displayed on the right). They do not sync- if you create a new brush and save it in to a set, or even before this, just when you have created a new brush, it should show up in both lists in the same place.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Brush and Tool Organisation.

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882 Messages

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19.2K Points

9 years ago

Tom, while I agree with your post, let me specify one thing: tool presets and brush tip shapes presets are not the same.

The second ones save everything you set up in the brush panel, while the tool settings also record the blending mode, color, etc. all the settings from the option bar. See these videos on the topic:
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-evang... and http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-russell...

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2.3K Points

tool presets are the way to go for painting. ;)

13 Messages

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346 Points

Tool presets are what i Hve been using for the pat couple years now. The enhanced view in the brush presets panel is too bulk and not very useful. I don't need to see how the brush is going to paint a wavy line, I made the brush. I know what it will do when I use it.

Being able to have sortable groups that could be collapsed and expanded quickly would be great.

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195.8K Points

OK, if you don't want the preview, change the view of the brushes (thumbnails, large thumbnails, etc.).

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346 Points

That is good, didn't know about that since I never use the panel. Tool presets are still more powerful than the brush presets. I might start to use the brush preset panel for quickly browsing stamp brushes though. The large thumbnail view is a nice way to quickly browse.

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242 Points

9 years ago

Thanks for the reply PECourtejole, but that point was not regarding the differences between tools and brushes.

That point concerned the differences between the Brushes shown in the panel accessed using the menu bar and those shown in the Brushes window when changing the settings for that brush.

If you've just made a new brush, it shows up at the end of your list of brushes, as accessed by the Menu Bar drop down. Now, before saving the set (which could do with being a more straight-forward affair) take a look in the brushes shown in the Brushes panel accessed via Window > Brushes.

It's not there, certainly not in the same place, if it's there at all.

I'm aware of the reasoning behind this but I just don't agree with it.
When you've just created a new brush it should show up in both panels immediately. Saving the created brush should be immediate too- so you don't lose what you've done in a crash (or if you just forget to do it as you're busy working on the image!) How about a simple prompt- "Save to Current Brush Set?" on brush creation?

The whole process of creating, organising and saving Brushes and Tools needs to be more useful and less complex for the benefit of newbies and old pros alike.

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195.8K Points

It does show up in both, immediately.
Are you confusing the brush TIP SHAPE section with the brush PRESETS section?

54 Messages

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1.4K Points

9 years ago

But what you see in the Brushes panel are tip shapes, not the brushes. The brushes are in Brush Presets menu, which is identical to brushes in the menu bar and menu on the right mouse click.

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242 Points

9 years ago

Exactly. It's pointless.

There is no "Define Brush Nib Preset" under the Edit menu item.
A brush nib is never really a separate entity to a brush, though it may lack any custom settings.

You create a brush by going Edit > Define Brush Preset.

The care with which we must choose our terms when discussing this issue is indicative of how muddled the process is.

I have a Tool that uses a Brush that in turn relies on a Brush Nib (which might even rely on a Pattern for it's texture!)- I think we could keep the flexibility of that hierarchy yet make the creation, saving and organisation of it's components far clearer and simpler. The list of "Nibs" should update when you make a new Brush, and show up at the end of the "Nibs" Brushes collection.

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600 Points

9 years ago

Please add folders / organization support for photoshop brushes. I hate how i cant organize my brushes in photoshop ( properly). I would LOVE it if I could create folders for brushes and organize them the way I want. I dont want to have to create brush sets and load and unload them. I want All my brushes available at all times in a Folder hierarchy. Allow the user to name and organize brushes into folders for easy and costumize access.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Brush Organization / ADD FOLDERS!!!!.

7 Messages

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242 Points

9 years ago

Amen dude. Both Swatches and Brushes. But if we're on CS5 now and Adobe still have yet to permit this simple advance- what hope is there really?

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102 Points

9 years ago

I would love to have a better way to manage fonts and presets (brushes, patterns, etc.)

for example, it would be nice to group fonts and presets according to style, favorite, recent or whatever in one panel. This would be great w/ fonts. I know you can setup you own presets for brushes, and patterns but this could be much better, especially when you want to append. Currently you don't know where one set starts/ends?

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Better Font and Preset management.

7 Messages

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242 Points

9 years ago

I tried to upload a screen grab of my open Tools panel for you CommonMovement but the Image Uploader here is buggy.
Here we commonly create a "fake" Brush, Tool, whatever to act as Header in List View, like so:

~~~~~~~~~ My Tools for Digital Painting ~~~~~~~~~~~
tool 1
tool 2
tool 3
~~~~~~~~~ My Tools for Photography ~~~~~~~~~~~~
tool 1
tool 2
etc

The fact that so many people do this just shows how needed better organisation facilities in Adobe CS are.

As to showing All Tools/Brushes- I think it's a memory issue. Too many in the lists slow down performance. Of course Adobe could always avoid the need for mass-loading of huge lists by better organisation facilities in the first place. Or provide more alerts for performance critical situations, eg:
"Are you sure you want to load all 500Mb of Brush Presets in to Photoshop, this may take some time? Ok / Cancel".
:)

54 Messages

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1.4K Points

9 years ago

What I did before I experienced the power of using JavaScript for presets was using several letters before the actual name of the tool because PS sorts them by name. So I had like
br Cubic brush
br Round brush
ddg Hard Dodge
ddg Soft Dodge
mx Amazing oils
mx Mixer Brush

But now I just use JS dialogue window to chose different tools


Too bad this only works with tool presets. So native solution would be better.

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2.3K Points

you must share these goings on here. :P

27 Messages

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600 Points

9 years ago

Sergey,

Care to share how to use and where to find this JS dialogue window?
And what do you mean by " before i experienced the power of using Javascript for presets"? Is this only available in the new photoshop versions ( im currently using photoshop cs4 extended)? Could you elaborate...

I'm very interested to know what you're referring too!

THANKS

54 Messages

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1.4K Points

9 years ago

Basically this is a JS-script that creates a dialogue window (the same window you often see with JS alerts all over the web) with links to brush presets, binded to a key.

I've got several scripts at my CGhub account http://kritskiy.cghub.com/scripts/, the 'awesome layers' creates exactly the same window. Sources're not protected so feel free to look inside how it works. If you're interested I'd recommend to spend some time and look through forum at ps-scripts.com, there're tons of JS code snippets and people there are very friendly. I could create a lot of PS interface tweaks with scripts for myself without any knowledge in JS.

27 Messages

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600 Points

9 years ago

interesting!! Oddly, I've never heard of JS scripts for photoshop even after using it for more than 10 years haha.

What about that brush preset script you have? The screenshot you uploaded. Possible to share that one ( if you created it) of link me to where you found it? I'd like to play around with it and see how it works. I'm very curious.
No worries if you cant! Just thought I'd ask =)

THANKS.