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Sat, Jun 25, 2011 2:51 PM

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Photoshop: Ability to arrange & customize save-as file formats so popular formats are at the top

Photoshop supports about 20 formats, but I only use 4 or 5 of them. It's bugged me since 5.5 to have to fish for jpeg somewhere in the middle of the list. Can the file formats get arranged by most commonly used? And maybe allow us to remove stuff like targa and large file format that nobody uses.

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5 years ago

Howdy... I started the original topic a while ago. Glad it's still active.
Chris, am I to take it you're a PS dev? If so, sorry you get so much flak.

I just wanna make this one small point, hopefully it has some impact.

Some PS/LR issues are frustrating, but only for a limited subset of photoshop users.
For example I see a brush organization topic with 132 votes.
But some users don't even touch brushes, much less need to organize them.

This minor issue with file formats, however, is felt by 100% of photoshop's users. We all save files, whether we're digitally painting or editing photos or tweaking video frames.

Fishing for filetypes is only a second wasted, but multiply 100% of the users, by 100% of their saved files, and cumulatively it's millions of wasted hours.

So please, consider bumping this one up the chain, or coding it yourself. It's one of those things that will feel like a breath of fresh air once it's implemented. People will say "I never knew how much I needed this, until I finally had it."

Thanks for your time, and the fantastic product.

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Yes, I am one of the lead developers on Photoshop.

We consider all the requests we receive, and only reject them if they are completely impossible or cause more harm than good.
But we do prioritize them mostly by how many people have requested/supported the feature.

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Well, here's to hoping I see it in my lifetime. 5 years is a long time for something to be on the back burner. Appreciate your efforts anyway.

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5 years ago

Hey Chris-- sorry if I am harshing on you-- it's nothing personal. And I see the tone of this topic has become more civil-- thanks for considering the suggestion.

My main point is about customer service: if someone takes the time to suggest an improvement, especially one which is obvious, I think Adobe should say "thanks-- we appreciate your feedback" and put on the agenda at the next brainstorming meeting. It's all these tweaks to the software that keep you developers employed and challenged at your jobs, and can maintain Adobe's hegemony in the creative software industry.

I have suggested quite a few improvements to the software over the years and the general response is: not interested and defensive. It's so nice to have the "ear" of someone at Adobe. I just wish I could be heard more readily.

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Think about it: we have millions of users, several thousand requests, and dozens of new requests every day. If we brought all those requests to a meeting, the meeting would never end. We have to prioritize, and votes/support/number of requests is a primary means for prioritizing requests. (because we'd all much rather be implementing features and fixing bugs than stuck in meetings)

We are constantly implementing customer requests (big and small) and fixing bugs. We don't have infinite resources or infinite time to do all this work, so we have to prioritize. We can't get every request implemented in a release, but we look at the requests and re-prioritize them while planning each new release.

So, yeah, we hear you. Just because your request isn't completed immediately does not mean we are not listening. It just means that we have limits, too.

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Just to (respectfully) inject some perspective from another product developer: if you have millions of users, and you're slicing your priorities according to things that have hundreds of votes rather than dozens... maybe the approach to prioritization is flawed?  Because your granularity is .0001% vs. .00002%.

In that light, maybe a suggestion which clearly would touch 100% of your users deserves a different weighting?

My company has maybe 25,000 users, and we listen to anyone who takes the time to write; but the #1 method we use for choosing which features and enhancements to prioritize is... our own judgment as product development specialists.  We're in a unique position to understand the ways of doing the most good for the most people, which is different than seeking to soothe the small groups of disproportionately vocal users (aka the grumps).

It is understood - scientifically proven, actually - that people are very bad at predicting what they want or what will make them happy.  They tend to overfocus on the 1 or 2 things that are under their skin, which skews their perspective away from the countless other smaller --- but cumulatively *more impactful* --- sources of friction and inefficiency that escapes their notice.

I'm not talking about bugfixes, I'm talking about the kinds of functional and organizational enhancements that reduce the number of muscles, brain cells, and synaptic transmissions required to get from point A to point B.  In our experience EVERYONE loves those, they are rare gems in the UIX world and we pounce on them whenever they make their rarefied presence known.

I submit that this request is exactly that kind of enhancement.  Thanks for listening :-)

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122 Points

Well said! I hope they read that.

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456 Points

Will they read it? Probably. Will they do aything about it? Probably not - obviously the great cash-cow herd hasn't voted enough even though (a) it makes sense and (b) we've been asking for thiss for years now. we'll just get another non-answer about how there are so many other things being requested on a daily basis and they can't do everything. sure, there's some great improvements in the software (I've been on it since 3.0.4), but a comparatively simple thing like this that affects, as noted above, 100% of users, doesn't get the time of day.

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I still get notifications on this thread after 5 years, and still hope for it. I did eventually start using large file format once in a while, but still don't need targa :P

Their reasoning is pretty obvious... these little UI changes are just not gonna sell them new copies of the software, it's not super fun like face-aware liquify. It just makes existing paying customers 2% happier.

No real financial motive, it would strictly be out of the kindness of their hearts. So here's to hoping that someone with a kind heart reads this, 5 years later.

Realistically this is all we're asking: Put a little empty star icon next each existing format. Let me click that icon to favorite that format. The star becomes filled. Put the starred items at the top. That's it. 20 minutes tops.

Help me obi wan adobe, you're my only hope.

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70 Points

I too have been waiting and watching on this.  Are we there yet?  Hopefully I just missed the memo of the new process.   This reminds me of 3ds Max.  It could always almost do everything, but not a single part of it was easy or in a decent UI.  Many a gray hair...

The Save As dialog and list of filetypes in PS just got me to look this up again.  My eyes are killing me from having to search for "photoshop pdf" instead of just PDF, and reselecting jpeg after I accidentally hit jpeg2000.  The "star" method of favorites and bringing those to the top above a break in the list mentioned on this page is by far my favorite.   Just do that much and forget any detailing beyond that.  Or just have a menu in preferences were we can check/uncheck the filetypes we want listed there if nothing else.

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100 Points

5 years ago

Well anyway there is a workaround to at least remove SOME formats in Photoshop CS6 Mac.

You just have to right-click on the photoshop icon, go into "show package contents" and then :
contenst / required / plugins / file formats and remove the ones you can like jpeg2000, pcx and pixar. 

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862 Points

That's something.

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110 Points

Ripley, if I could reach out and hug you thru this screen I would do exactly that. 

At last, I no longer have to scroll down to get to PNG, such a small kindness... thank you!!!

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240 Points

Any ideas for Windows users?

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Marten you can do the same thing in windows, unfortunately it only removes a handful of useless formats and still leaves a dozen that you must sift through. But here's how to do it. We have to get to your photoshop app folder, and the easiest way is probably to just do this:

• If you have a shortcut to photoshop on your taskbar or start menu, right click it. This should pop up a list of recent PS files, plus a link to photoshop itself, and some options like "unpin from taskbar" or "close".

• Within that menu, right click that photoshop link, and choose properties. This bring up a properties dialogue, and there should be a button somewhere on there (bottom left) that says open file location. Click that. You're now in the photoshop program folder.

• At the top of the folder is a list of subfolders, one of them is called "Required"... open it, and then within that open "Plug-Ins". Note this is different from another Plug-Ins folder hiding elsewhere. You want the one under "Required". You should see a subfolder called "File Formats". There's a bunch of files ending in the .8bi extension. It should be safe to delete these [or most of them anyway... you should probably keep PSDX (.psd) and WBMP (.bmp)]... I have been running for years with everything deleted except those formats and radiance, and have had no problems.

Well, except for the problem where I have to do all these silly workarounds and Targa's still cluttering my list :P

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60 Points

Thanks!  Gets us about halfway there!

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70 Points

wow Why didn't I think to do this sooner.  Thank you!  One day a year someone hits you with that odd file type need, or it's a necessary step to getting into another format.  But otherwise it's nice to turn some of these off.  Wish we could do all of them that we want.

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4 years ago

Chris,
Sorry to keep this one going but I wanted to add my voice to the few active commenters.

I gather that it is too big a job to be put on yout JDI (Just Do It) list, if you still have one.

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76 Points

Really, really, this should be fixed!


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4 years ago

I realised I never shared the script I'm using to quickly save a JPEG to my desktop, and seeing how this thread just keeps going with no solution in sight from Adobe, I reckon some people might find a use for it. It also appends a number if you need to save multiple versions to compare. Copy paste this code into a text editor, save it as a .js file, then place it in PS > Presets > Scripts. Don't forget to change the path where you want these saved (first line of code).

It will show up under File > Scripts the next time you start it up and you can even assign it a shortcut. This saved me hours in the ~2 years I've had it.


var JPGquality = 12;var docPath = '/Users/cristian/Desktop/';
var docName = app.activeDocument.name.replace(/\.[^\.]+$/, '');;

var saveFile = new File(docPath + '/' + docName + '.jpg');

var fileExists = saveFile.exists;
var tries = 1;
while (fileExists) {
  saveFile = new File(docPath + '/' + docName + ( '-' + tries) + '.jpg');
  tries++;
  fileExists = saveFile.exists;
}

SaveJPEG(saveFile, JPGquality);

function SaveJPEG(saveFile, jpegQuality) {
  jpgSaveOptions = new JPEGSaveOptions();
  jpgSaveOptions.embedColorProfile = true;
  jpgSaveOptions.formatOptions = FormatOptions.STANDARDBASELINE;
  jpgSaveOptions.matte = MatteType.NONE;
  jpgSaveOptions.quality = jpegQuality; //1-12
  activeDocument.saveAs(saveFile, jpgSaveOptions, true, Extension.LOWERCASE);
}


If anyone knows how to do the same for PNGs, I'd be grateful if you shared it.

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You should be able to simply use the Quick Export function to save either jpg or png to the desktop... no script needed.

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appreciate the effort. If a script could somehow recreate the file - save as window, but with only a handful of preset options, it would be a great workaround. I'd just have to get used to pressing something like F6 to save.

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4 years ago

Sadly, Mr Cox is no longer at Adobe. 

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3 years ago

Hello! I'd just like to voice my support for this issue. I (and probably 99% of other people) use 3, maybe 4 of the total 22 file formats (which by the way is not sorted in any kind of fashion). A list of "favourites" would help a lot.

But then I see that this has been a 6 year ongoing battle, that's just tragic.

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My post has outlasted some adobe employees! Wish more people would vote on it.

I feel like people are so used to this ancient problem, they forgot it exists. Or don't realize how refreshing it is, to work in a program that handles this properly. It's like getting used to a funky smell in your house until you don't even realize it's there.

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62 Points

3 years ago

Using Photoshop CC 2017, and still dealing with this ancient nightmare...

I think the only way we can get some attention from Adobe is to organize a massive crowd of users to sign-up and vote on this request, so maybe (just maybe) they can "think about" this old and annoying issue...

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60 Points

3 years ago

You got that right - it's stupid, it's archaic and it sucks. And with changes in staff at Adobe, well, who cares? Now, how are we going to get this to the attention of someone at Adobe with a brain that's prepared to bring this part of the software into the current era?

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3 years ago

There is open source code out there that makes this improvement-- it's literally a few lines of code. Really, Adobe, is this obvious improvement that difficult to implement? Stop assigning whole teams to making your user interfaces suck and make this simple change. And Gordon, I have talked to many people who are high up at Adobe and no one is listening. Everyone seems worried about job security and doesn't want to take risks--  it's like Trumps' cabinet right now.

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3 years ago

Six years later I still get replies on this... it's still somewhere on the back burner, probably between "content-aware selfie warp" and "adobe air bridge music mkv codec explorer filetype manager browser"

Meanwhile, 10,000,000 working people make 50 extra clicks a day because we're still on a windows XP interface :/

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probably between "content-aware selfie warp" and "adobe air bridge music mkv codec explorer filetype manager browser"
lol.

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112 Points

Seriously... ADOBE!! I don't even know what programs use .DCM .PXR .SCT formats.. Please assign some engineer that's got 1 week to spare, to fix this!

<3<3<3<3<3<3

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Yup, it's irritating. TIF is way down at the bottom. PNG is in the middle. JPEG is a little higher up, but so easy to accidentally click on another version of JPEG than wanted. And PSD is right at the top. Pretty awful for the most common formats. I'd think it was a JDI to fix it since they let us hide unwanted menu items—but it may be terribly tricky for all I know and no one  wants to be the one assigned to work on it. <BG>

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BUMP

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2 years ago

OK: EARTH TO ADOBE. I opened this thread 1 year ago and still no response. I have been using Photoshop since it was in beta (our studio tested it before you launched the product). In nearly 25 years of using Photoshop, I have only saved files in 4 formats (jpeg, tiff, psd, png, gif). WHY DO I HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH ARCHAIC FORMATS every time I save? This is such an obvious and easy improvement. Someone in a previous thread actually wrote a patch to fix this. Its a few lines of code. ALLOW US TO CHOOSE WHICH FORMATS SHOW OR LET US CUSTOM PULLDOWN ORDER SO OUR MOST USED FORMATS APPEAR ON TOP OF PULLDOWN. 

Your tech people contacted me and instead of thanking, said they can't make all the improvements people suggest. So, I guess you focus on making your UI and icons illegible for most people over 40 years old and other "improvements" that make your software increasingly complex and difficult to use. 

FIX IT! 

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Actually I was the one who opened this thread, and it was 7 years ago.

But we're on the same page, this is long overdue for a fix. I'm tired of scrolling past Dicom format or accidentally saving JPEG2000 files. This one fix would save me more time per year than anything else Adobe has thought of in the past decade.

They took the time to make a stupid new document dialogue that is slow and loaded with presets I won't use, but won't make this 15 minute fix for a better save dialogue that everyone uses.

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Right-- you did open this thread!

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Lala, persevere! I reported on a bug SIX YEARS ago, and it was only fixed with the CC 2019 update. Of course now something else I use daily is broken, so  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

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I will never let this go. When I die, they will put on my tombstone
HE DIED MAKING EXTRA CLICKS 
EVERY TIME HE SAVED A FILE

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LOL.  Maybe that will turn this request into a JDI. . . maybe.

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I'm not the one who's sarcastic ;) btw what is JDI?

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From when John Nack ran PS. "Just Do It." They still just do it—several small fixes, upgrades to features that don't require all that much of an engineer's time and isn't too likely to break a lot of things along the way. He made PS users very happy because a lot of little things that bug you to death, but are almost too small to pay serious attention to, got fixed. That's a JDI. Some things we think are JDI's aren't, and it would be helpful if we were told so when our little Idea we think could be resolved tomorrow if anyone bothered, isn't so little.

But I think they still keep lists of these so if they have extra time, engineers can take these on. At least, I've noticed with new releases it pays to look at the what's new on their site, since a bunch of very little things get mentioned — like being able to simply click on the lock icon on a Background layer to convert it to a Layer 0—things like that.

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I just found your other profile: Cristen Gillespie. Why don't you use it anymore?

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Just a matter of curing schizophrenia<G> I finally learned what I was signing in with so stopped being split in two.

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2 years ago

"CompuServe GIF"? Really. Here is how I want my menu to look. 

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Want to see something truly AWFUL. I've recently switched over to Windows after waiting 9 years for Apple to release a real Pro machine... this is what Save As looks like in win10:


Yes, you're seeing that right. The dropdown for Save As scales to the width of the Save window.

Want to see worse? Here's what it looks like behind the dropdown:


I miss osx so much.

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456 Points

You can resize the window, you know - but that still doesn't get past the original complaint of too much rubbish in the dialog box.

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A constant request to hide some formats for years now, just as constantly ignored.  '-}

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I know i can resize, but for some reason, that's usually the width that my Save As is, so that i can see my Folder Tree, Filename and then the columns for format, size, date, etc.

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2 years ago

J F D I

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2 years ago

How is this not a thing after 7 years of requests? I'm a dev (not a PS dev), and I can tell you, it does NOT take long to customize this even as an indie dev. Why am I paying monthly again...?

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I scripted many things easily in no time they should be part of Photoshop so I agree with you. Moreover I can say they don't do it not because that is complex, but don't want to do it for no reason. If they wanted it would be done few releases ago.