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202 Points
Photoshop 21.x: Spring Loaded shortcuts more sensitive - Turn off toggling between tools
If you switch from a tool to another while holding the tool's shortcut button (i.e : switch from brush tool to eraser tool with a shortcut, but holding the "e" key while erasing something) make photoshop toggle between those tools. Some people may make use of it, but not me. In addition, the keyboard shortcut often lag, making photoshop do the toggle out of nowhere. It's really frustrating especially for Illustrators since I change the brush and eraser tool often. Please do something about it.
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dmohr
Adobe Administrator
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3.5K Messages
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53K Points
a year ago
What you're encountering is the Spring-loaded Tool shortcuts. Those were added on purpose for people who want to use a different tool really quickly, but then return to their previous task. If you want to change tools, just press and release the shortcut.
As for a delay in switching tools, that's news. Which tools, specifically? What else is going on? How frequently does it happen? When I change tools, it's instantaneous and snappy. If you're not seeing that, there might be a problem with your setup.
Thanks,
David
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michael_erhardt
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244 Points
10 months ago
Seriously, could we please get this as an option to toggle between and let users decide whether they like to use this for themselves?
While I can see that some people might utilize this, like Farhan Purwanto said:
as an illustrator I tend to switch back and forth between brush and eraser very quickly via hotkeys.
Here I need full and immediate control over which tool to use and having Photoshop dictate when it wants to jump between brushes is extremely annoying and unnecessary.
"Just pressing and releasing" a key, at least at the speed witch the key is being activated during painting, only gives one stroke of the desired tool before automatically jumping back to the previously used one.
This continues to mess with my workflow to a point where I'm getting really frustrated with Photoshop as a tool for digital illustration because now I'm forced to either slow down significantly or fight the software itself.- Michael
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JEA
704 Messages
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9.4K Points
10 months ago
Paint and erase with the same brush
Use the ~ tilde key (below the escape or Esc key) to toggle between painting and erasing with the same brush tip.https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new/2020.html
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michael_erhardt
4 Messages
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244 Points
9 months ago
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oussama_agazzoum
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100 Points
8 months ago
It at least will take some time to get used to for something that didn't really need to be implemented and was working smoothly already!
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petra_nikolic
13 Messages
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276 Points
7 months ago
We need an option to disable spring loaded keys .
This is not a hardware problem because this VERY annoying bug doesnt happen in earlier versions of photoshop.
Ive resorted in using CC2019 over the 2020 version because of this.
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matt_traberg
2 Messages
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136 Points
7 months ago
I'm just now learning that the spring-loaded shortcut was actually there in older versions of PS, but it was clearly never an issue. In CC21 there has been a change in how it works (I'm testing it as I type this): Before CC21, if you lift the stylus while still holding the tool shortcut (in my case "E"), the spring-load triggers; but if you release the shortcut while still drawing, it will not. (the second being, clearly, how most people here are used to do it, me included)
In CC21, it doesn't matter what order you do these actions, as long as the shortcut and the stylus are pressed at the same time, the spring-loaded shortcut will send you back to the previous tool.
A toggle option fro this mechanic would be great.
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leos_ng
6 Messages
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174 Points
7 months ago
Hi, is there a way of disabling the spring-loaded tools function.
Since I updated my Photoshop a couple of days back, the Spring-loaded tool function had gotten way more sensitive, and had being highly disruptive to my work process. I tried doing clean installation and rolling back to previous version, and even changing my keyboard, but the problem persist, my brush and eraser will keep switching between themselves randomly. Do get back to me soon.
And if it's not the problem with the spring-loaded function, can we get a fix?
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jae_tsai
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110 Points
5 months ago
I am a semi-veteran digital painter in the games industry (13 years or so) and have used Photoshop for most of the duration of that time. Upgrading to CCThis new feature is not bad, but occasionally becomes a nuisance. The simple solution would be to make it a setting you can turn off or on.
I believe Adobe should allow people to turn off and on all new features unless there was some sort of industry shifting standard, and the addition of the on/off toggle of said feature would be too time consuming/costly.
Thank you.
-Jae
The only constant is change.
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samuel_sandelin
1 Message
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80 Points
5 months ago
I've had this bug for quite some time and It is increasingly frustrating having to fight with the software when I'm trying to produce work, and it hampers my productivity significantly. I don't think the feature is bad for everyone but it'd be a big improvement for me and i imagine many other digital artists if the feature were to have an option to be disabled.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Sam
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mikalscott
11 Messages
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192 Points
5 months ago
I see you telling people "this has been here for a decade" and asking why they are having a problem with it now and I think I have an answer for that:
The issue is (for me anyway) the spring loaded swap appears to have different "timings" now. When I'm painting I will hit my button RIGHT before I start a new stroke and about 50% of the time it will revert to brush when I wanted to stay on the eraser. Photoshop was thinking I was pressing it and holding it when I was just doing multiple light quick strokes with a hotkey tap in between. This did not happen as recently as 6 months ago. I'm not sure why it didn't happen if it's been in forever, but the way it works now is breaking workflow badly.
I was using this feature with the rotate tool and had no issue with it since hitting rotate is more deliberate, but with brush and eraser this is very intrusive.
I would appreciate a way to completely toggle this feature off for brushing and erasing (maybe a per tool basis toggle) as I find myself having to undo between half of my painting and sketching phases, and losing a lot of my flow. I understand it's working as intended how it is, I just think it's not how I'd prefer it to function.
If you need to see a video of it happening I can show you it, but I don't think it's very easy to replicate:
If you press the E button before the stroke starts and then let go after the stroke has started while you are still making the stroke, it will always revert to the brush.
This is the problem, we are quicker with our drawing hands, which means we "release" the e button slower than we start the brush stroke. So I'm drawing and make a mistake and quickly tap the e button while I'm still in a drawing motion and it thinks I'm trying to spring back to my old tool because I was holding e for .01 seconds after I started my next line.
Why it's different now: I think the functionality it had previously was that it would swap back if you held down the e for the entire usage of the tool and then took the pen off of the canvas, the swap back only happened when you help down your tool for a significant amount of time.
How to fix it: Ideally, a toggle to disable the functionality for specific tools. Another way to fix it would be to force people to hold it for a certain amount of time to measure intent. Springing on the eraser and brush only trigger when you hold down the tool you are swapping to temporarily for 0.5-1 seconds so that you know they are holding down the tool to use the spring function.
I've never had this problem when I was taking it slow, when I'm deliberately trying to use the spring I always hold it for the entire stroke, but when I'm going quick and clearly not trying to use the spring shortcuts and just tapping to swap, it messes me up frequently.
A lot of the reason I enjoy using Photoshop for my sketch and painting stuff is because it lets me work quick, so I really appreciate a lot of these features - this one just needs to be tuned a bit, I think.
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James Silva
1 Message
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62 Points
3 months ago
This kills my workflow with a Wacom Tablet, and it definitely seems new, or its behavior was changed such that it happens all the time now. I switch between brush and eraser frequently, and never ever ever intend to use spring-loaded shortcuts. It only means 20%-50% of the time I switch, I accidentally erase when I meant to draw and vice-versa. Ctrl-Z, try again, oops, spring loading still brought me back, ctrl-Z, wait, breath, deep breath, now go, okay. It's completely aggravating hitting this feature bug day after day after day, when there was definitely a time when I never encountered it.
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bellum_wst
1 Message
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60 Points
2 months ago
got on this thread while looking for a solution to the problem, it is amazing that adobe ignores the fact that their software is used by a huge number of illustrators. This "spontaneous switching" of instruments annoys me as well.
I would just like to disable this feature, because for me it is not only useless but also annoying.
I don't remember a single Photoshop release in which everything would work as it should, every time they bring in something that becomes a problem and needs fixing : )
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Jay Van Esbroek
3 Messages
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82 Points
2 months ago
I'd like to add my input here: This feature has absolutely put a huge hamper in my ability to continue my artistic career, and is easily the most frustrating thing Adobe has ever introduced to Photoshop.
The fact that they so smugly say "We think everyone will like this so there's no way to turn it off" is even more infuriating.
I swap tools a lot, I illustrate comics and constantly clean up my lines with the eraser while inking with the brush, and it'll be like:
Brush Stroke > Brush Stroke > Brush Stroke > E to swap to Eraser > Eraser Stroke > Brush Stroke!?!?!? > Brush Stro-- SON OF A... Ctrl-Z > Ctrl-Z > E TO SWAP TO ERASER > WAIT > ERASER STROKE > ERASER STROKE > B TO SWAP TO BRUSH > BRUSH STROKE > ERASER STROKE!?!?!? > ACTUAL STROKE IRL
I hate this feature, I hate it so much, it's not good, it's literally nothing but frustrating and is absolutely murdering my enjoyment of my own artistic career.
Please, PLEASE, for the love of GOD, Adobe, PLEASE give us the ability to toggle this god-awful useless feature off and preferably make it off by default, for the sake of my blood pressure
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dmohr
Adobe Administrator
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3.5K Messages
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53K Points
2 months ago
I've entered a feature request to allow users to disable Spring-Loaded Shortcuts.
Thanks,
David
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