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Mon, Feb 24, 2020 10:38 AM

Photoshop 21.x: Spring Loaded shortcuts more sensitive - Turn off toggling between tools

If you switch from a tool to another while holding the tool's shortcut button (i.e : switch from brush tool to eraser tool with a shortcut, but holding the "e" key while erasing something) make photoshop toggle between those tools. Some people may make use of it, but not me. In addition, the keyboard shortcut often lag, making photoshop do the toggle out of nowhere. It's really frustrating especially for Illustrators since I change the brush and eraser tool often. Please do something about it.

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9 months ago

Howdy Farhan,

What you're encountering is the Spring-loaded Tool shortcuts.  Those were added on purpose for people who want to use a different tool really quickly, but then return to their previous task.  If you want to change tools, just press and release the shortcut.

As for a delay in switching tools, that's news.  Which tools, specifically?  What else is going on?  How frequently does it happen?  When I change tools, it's instantaneous and snappy.  If you're not seeing that, there might be a problem with your setup.

Thanks,
David

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7 months ago

Seriously, could we please get this as an option to toggle between and let users decide whether they like to use this for themselves?

While I can see that some people might utilize this, like Farhan Purwanto said:
as an illustrator I tend to switch back and forth between brush and eraser very quickly via hotkeys.

Here I need full and immediate control over which tool to use and having Photoshop dictate when it wants to jump between brushes is extremely annoying and unnecessary. 

"Just pressing and releasing" a key, at least at the speed witch the key is being activated during painting, only gives one stroke of the desired tool before automatically jumping back to the previously used one. 

This continues to mess with my workflow to a point where I'm getting really frustrated with Photoshop as a tool for digital illustration because now I'm forced to either slow down significantly or fight the software itself.

- Michael

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7 months ago

Just use the ~ Tilde key to switch the Brush Tool between painting and erasing

Paint and erase with the same brush

Use the ~ tilde key (below the escape or Esc key) to toggle between painting and erasing with the same brush tip.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new/2020.html

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that requires holding the tilda down. you can do same by holding E down. That isnt a solution though. Its been drawing with fingers on B and E keys for 22 years, its is insanely frustrating to have my tools revert without me telling them too. 

Is there any way to get these hotkeys to behave like they always had? im at my whits end here. 

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Howdy Matt,
The ` key to switch the current brush from paint to erase is new, but spring-loaded shortcuts have been around for at least a decade or more.  Are you seeing different behavior now?  The tools should change is you press-and-hold a different tool shortcut.  Not all are valid -- it's a limited subset, based off your active tool.  Are you not seeing this or would you like this changed?  Do others agree with Matt -- THIS IS WHERE YOUR OPINIONS CAN BE HEARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

Thanks,David

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It is a new behavior to me. i just got CC2020. Its only on the eraser tool switching from brush. pressing E switches, but just for one stroke, then back to brush.Holding E works, but  I dont have to hold B for brush for instance. It is absolutely maddening. I figured many people had their left pointer finger on B and ring finger on E and switched tools on the fly like that. I can speak to at least 10 folks that have begrudgingly just learned to deal. but I CANT lol. 

Thanks david!  

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Hey Matt,

Wait, something ain't adding up here.  If you have the Eraser tool active, B will switch you to the Brush tool EITHER a) as long as you hold it down OR b) forever if you press and release it.  E shouldn't do anything with the Eraser tool, except SHIFT+E should switch to the other tools in the Eraser group (Background Eraser, Magic Eraser).  Is this not what you're are seeing?

Thanks,
David

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7 months ago

Thank you for the advice, but aside from this not working on a technical level, properly due to using a German keyboard layout, I use different brushes for painting and erasing most of the time.

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Hi Michael,
You're the second German user who's said this shortcut doesn't work for them.  I tried it before (and again just now) and it's working for me.  Where is your shortcut located on your physical keyboard?

Thanks to COVID I'm stuck at home with my only physical device a Mac Book Pro, but on that if I try the ` key (to the left of the #1, below ESC and above TAB) in either English or German PS with either an English or German keyboard, I get the correct results, that is my paint-brush becomes an "eraser-brush".  When I've tried VPNing into my Win10 machine, I see the same results with the same key in the same location.

What are you seeing?
Thanks,
David

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6 months ago

Just updated to the latest Photoshop version and noticed this behavior and it's honestly making the workflow super painful, rather than deliberately switching to the tool i need and back in a very controlled and quick way now i have to worry about how long i press on E or B, please make it optional!

 It at least will take some time to get used to  for something that didn't really need to be implemented and was working smoothly already!

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What kind of keyboard are you using?  This feature has been in place for about a decade and there have been no recent changes.  So, could it be your keyboard?  The spring-loaded shortcuts only work while held down -- could there be some latency in the responsiveness of your hardware?
Thanks,
David

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Hi , thank you for your reply! 

If you're asking about the language, it's french keyboard so AZERTY  and if it's hardware  it's a razer Ortana Chroma gaming keyboard, i don't think it's a latency thing because i was using it for  while and didn't feel any issue until i updated Photoshop.

I reverted back to  an earlier version 21.0 and i don't feel this issue is there , I wasn't even aware that this feature exists in earlier versions and never caused any issue before so not sure, i believe you when you say there was no change on it, so maybe there was some change that wasn't on the feature itself but affected it somehow?

The fact is that something definitely feels different with the last update ! what it feels like is as if the difference between holding and pressing a button got smaller, so much more often when i want to press i end up accidentally holding it or when i wanna hold it i end up pressing and that's what slows down the process.

Thanks again for your reply!

Cheers,
Oussama.

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5 months ago

just wanted to chime in that this has been a problem for over  half a year for me. With each photoshop update the problem of shortcuts not registering properly still exists (altering between being spring loaded or press to switch at random). I keep two versions of photoshop for this very same reason, hoping that when it updates the bug will be fixed but it never is.

We need an option to disable spring loaded keys .

This is not a hardware problem because this VERY annoying bug doesnt happen in earlier versions of photoshop.

Ive resorted in using CC2019 over the 2020 version because of this.

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Are you saying the behavior for Spring Loaded shortcuts changed between 2019 and 2020? I'm not aware of any changes to this area.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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Something must have changed since in 2019 my shortcuts work(the same ones i use in 2020) while in the 2020 version they bug out. It seems like the spring loaded function had became much more sensitive in the newer versions, when you switch between tools rapidly by tapping two different keys (in my case Q and W for eyedropper and brush), sometimes the tool will change from eyedropper to brush, but sometimes it will just snap back to eyedropper or brush when i need the other, even if i am tapping the keys quickly,and not pressing down on them (which by logic should be the only time when the spring function should activate)

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yes, the struggle is still real. i cant get so frustrated that i have to walk away from my work sometimes because i just keep getting an eraser when i start brushing again or vise versa. its absolutely infuriating. its been months and im glad to see that there are some suport guys at least looking in on this. 

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i know, right? I like to work fast and efficient, but this bug just makes me have to slow my work process and its really frustrating when i have to fight the software while working...I use 2019 but that one has some odd dual brush bug that i cant seem to get rid of which rendered half of my vfx brushes useless, so i keep switching between 2019 and 2020 depending on what i have to do in the illustration and its so annoying. 

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Is everyone on this thread on Windows? Anyone on macOS?

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Windows here.

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windows also

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Windows 10 here.

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I use windows 10 for my computer.

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5 months ago

I've been experiencing the same issue for months. And resorted to going back to CC20.

I'm just now learning that the spring-loaded shortcut was actually there in older versions of PS, but it was clearly never an issue. In CC21 there has been a change in how it works (I'm testing it as I type this): Before CC21, if you lift the stylus while still holding the tool shortcut (in my case "E"), the spring-load triggers; but if you release the shortcut while still drawing, it will not. (the second being, clearly, how most people here are used to do it, me included)

In CC21, it doesn't matter what order you do these actions, as long as the shortcut and the stylus are pressed at the same time, the spring-loaded shortcut will send you back to the previous tool.

A toggle option fro this mechanic would be great.

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5 months ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Possible to disable the Spring-loaded Tools function?.

Hi, is there a way of disabling the spring-loaded tools function.

 

Since I updated my Photoshop a couple of days back, the Spring-loaded tool function had gotten way more sensitive, and had being highly disruptive to my work process. I tried doing clean installation and rolling back to previous version, and even changing my keyboard, but the problem persist, my brush and eraser will keep switching between themselves randomly. Do get back to me soon.

And if it's not the problem with the spring-loaded function, can we get a fix?

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3 months ago

Hello everyone.  I would like to voice my vote for Adobe to add the option of turning on and off the "Spring-loaded tools" function.

I am a semi-veteran  digital painter in the games industry (13 years or so) and have used Photoshop for most of the duration of that time.  Upgrading to CCThis new feature is not bad, but occasionally becomes a nuisance.  The simple solution would be to make it a setting you can turn off or on.  

I believe Adobe should allow people to turn off and on all new features unless there was some sort of industry shifting standard, and the addition of the on/off toggle of said feature would be too time consuming/costly.

Thank you.
-Jae

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3 months ago

Hello! I'd also like to express my desire for having the spring loaded tools having an disable option.

I've had this bug for quite some time and It is increasingly frustrating having to fight with the software when I'm trying to produce work, and it hampers my productivity significantly. I don't think the feature is bad for everyone but it'd be a big improvement for me and i imagine many other digital artists if the feature were to have an option to be disabled.

Thank you.
Best regards,
Sam

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2 months ago

I updated to the most recent Photoshop version and this feature has been destroying my workflow.

I see you telling people "this has been here for a decade" and asking why they are having a problem with it now and I think I have an answer for that:

The issue is (for me anyway) the spring loaded swap appears to have different "timings" now. When I'm painting I will hit my button RIGHT before I start a new stroke and about 50% of the time it will revert to brush when I wanted to stay on the eraser. Photoshop was thinking I was pressing it and holding it when I was just doing multiple light quick strokes with a hotkey tap in between. This did not happen as recently as 6 months ago. I'm not sure why it didn't happen if it's been in forever, but the way it works now is breaking workflow badly.

I was using this feature with the rotate tool and had no issue with it since hitting rotate is more deliberate, but with brush and eraser this is very intrusive.

I would appreciate a way to completely toggle this feature off for brushing and erasing (maybe a per tool basis toggle) as I find myself having to undo between half of my painting and sketching phases, and losing a lot of my flow. I understand it's working as intended how it is, I just think it's not how I'd prefer it to function.

If you need to see a video of it happening I can show you it, but I don't think it's very easy to replicate:

If you press the E button before the stroke starts and then let go after the stroke has started while you are still making the stroke, it will always revert to the brush.

This is the problem, we are quicker with our drawing hands, which means we "release" the e button slower than we start the brush stroke. So I'm drawing and make a mistake and quickly tap the e button while I'm still in a drawing motion and it thinks I'm trying to spring back to my old tool because I was holding e for .01 seconds after I started my next line.

Why it's different now: I think the functionality it had previously was that it would swap back if you held down the e for the entire usage of the tool and then took the pen off of the canvas, the swap back only happened when you help down your tool for a significant amount of time.

How to fix it: Ideally, a toggle to disable the functionality for specific tools. Another way to fix it would be to force people to hold it for a certain amount of time to measure intent. Springing on the eraser and brush only trigger when you hold down the tool you are swapping to temporarily for 0.5-1 seconds so that you know they are holding down the tool to use the spring function.

I've never had this problem when I was taking it slow, when I'm deliberately trying to use the spring I always hold it for the entire stroke, but when I'm going quick and clearly not trying to use the spring shortcuts and just tapping to swap, it messes me up frequently.

A lot of the reason I enjoy using Photoshop for my sketch and painting stuff is because it lets me work quick, so I really appreciate a lot of these features - this one just needs to be tuned a bit, I think.

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@mikalscott well put! I wish the devs would listen, because ive been hoping for a fix with each update for over a year now but i just get disappointed when i update my PS and i still cant use the new version (Im using the previous PS version because it doesnt have this bug)

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a month ago

This kills my workflow with a Wacom Tablet, and it definitely seems new, or its behavior was changed such that it happens all the time now. I switch between brush and eraser frequently, and never ever ever intend to use spring-loaded shortcuts. It only means 20%-50% of the time I switch, I accidentally erase when I meant to draw and vice-versa. Ctrl-Z, try again, oops, spring loading still brought me back, ctrl-Z, wait, breath, deep breath, now go, okay. It's completely aggravating hitting this feature bug day after day after day, when there was definitely a time when I never encountered it.

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@James Silva 

Yeah, this has essentially been the impact on my workflow, I attempt to explain how it changed since I have 20 and 21 both installed and they definitely don't function identically.

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@James Silva so true! i keep both versions installed just in case that they fix it by some magic but ive lost hope. With each update the problem is still there and the new version is basically unusable, while the old one has other bugs (half of my brushes have their flow bugged for some reason so they dont work properly) . This problem exists for so long its funny the dev's still havent addressed it.

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I'd wager not many of the devs are illustrators or they don't have a lot of illustrators that have a workflow that swaps quickly between brushes and erasers or they would notice this issue immediately.

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To be honest, I have started looking at other programs because of how long it take them to fix this. Not funny at all

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my thoughts as well :( Ive been using PS since i could 'walk' and this is the first time im considering a change because i see no light at the end of the tunnel.

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10 days ago

got on this thread while looking for a solution to the problem, it is amazing that adobe ignores the fact that their software is used by a huge number of illustrators. This "spontaneous switching" of instruments annoys me as well.

I would just like to disable this feature, because for me it is not only useless but also annoying.

I don't remember a single Photoshop release in which everything would work as it should, every time they bring in something that becomes a problem and needs fixing : )

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7 days ago

I'd like to add my input here: This feature has absolutely put a huge hamper in my ability to continue my artistic career, and is easily the most frustrating thing Adobe has ever introduced to Photoshop.

The fact that they so smugly say "We think everyone will like this so there's no way to turn it off" is even more infuriating.

I swap tools a lot, I illustrate comics and constantly clean up my lines with the eraser while inking with the brush, and it'll be like:

Brush Stroke > Brush Stroke > Brush Stroke > E to swap to Eraser > Eraser Stroke > Brush Stroke!?!?!? > Brush Stro-- SON OF A... Ctrl-Z > Ctrl-Z > E TO SWAP TO ERASER > WAIT > ERASER STROKE > ERASER STROKE > B TO SWAP TO BRUSH > BRUSH STROKE > ERASER STROKE!?!?!? > ACTUAL STROKE IRL

I hate this feature, I hate it so much, it's not good, it's literally nothing but frustrating and is absolutely murdering my enjoyment of my own artistic career.

Please, PLEASE, for the love of GOD, Adobe, PLEASE give us the ability to toggle this god-awful useless feature off and preferably make it off by default, for the sake of my blood pressure

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@Jay Van Esbroek ive been on the ends of my wits as well with this to a point i just have to stop drawing sometimes because it gets too annoying ._.

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I think the most frustrating part is that Adobe straight up stopped replying to this thread 5 months ago, and still hasn't implemented a toggle switch for this god-awful feature. They added "Legacy Ctrl-Z Settings" and "Legacy Free Transform Settings" when they changed those out of nowhere, but when they add a feature that cripples illustrators and adds 257 more "Ctrl-Z" presses per hour of inking, and people in their forums consistently demand the ability to turn it off, they save face for about a month going "Does anyone else agree with this person? This is where you can make your voices heard!" and then stop replying 5 months ago without ever implementing the toggle.

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What is worse this bug exists for more than a year :/ ive had this bug briefly two years ago on my work computer, then it 'magically' resolved , then i started getting it again last year followed by my personal computer..

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6 days ago

I've entered a feature request to allow users to disable Spring-Loaded Shortcuts.

Thanks,

David

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That is quite amazing!  Please keep us updated.

Much appreciated, David

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Finally! Any chance it will be applied to versions that are supported by Windows 7?

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oh finally ! Thank you this was such a frustrating feature i reverted to an earlier version to be able to work , tried 2021 but i couldn't work at all with this problem.