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Wed, Apr 20, 2011 7:26 PM

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Why aren't document windows floating in Photoshop Elements 9.0.3?

After updating Photoshop Elements to 9.0.3, why do my document windows open as tabbed instead of floating?

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2 Messages

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180 Points

10 years ago

I much prefer, in fact, I really want my images to open in PSE9 as floating windows and not as tabbed windows. Thus, I wish I had not installed 9.0.3 update, and I also wish there were a way to remove it without having to uninstall PSE9 and then re-install it. Please provide an update that reverts to the prior default of opening images in floating windows, or at least provide the user a preference choice of which way images will open. Thank you. Bob

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140 Points

9 years ago

Adobe, when are you going to give us a choice to make Floating Windows the default over Tabs? It is obvious that most people prefer that option. The change can't come soon enough. The Tabs are not useful when you want to be dragging items from one window to another.

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80 Points

9 years ago

I am uninstalling 9.03 because of this update. I really hate it and it makes my work so much more difficult. You really need to give us an option on whether we want it tabbed or floating.

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80 Points

9 years ago

really don't like the new behaviour... at least have it as an option!

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80 Points

9 years ago

Finally an answer to my problem... but it's not the answer I was looking for. This has been driving me crazy!
Add me to the list of people who dislike not being able to open documents in Floating Windows!

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140 Points

9 years ago

I finally reinstalled PSE 9 to get rid of the 9.0.3 Update. Such a relief to have my documents opening in floating windows again, and not tabs. Now to reinstall all my brushes and styles. Adobe really needs to fix this in an update to PSE 9, and give people the option to have documents open how they want them to.

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62 Points

9 years ago

Add me to this list of people who hate not being able to open documents in floating windows too!
How can we work in digiscrap with elements opened in tabs!
I have PSE since the Version 2 for Mac and I have to say that the version 8 and this latest version 9 are not great ones for Mac!

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140 Points

9 years ago

I'm a digital scrapper and that requires having a number of files/photos open at one time. I loved being able to set my preferences to float all. I really hate the way it is now...all tabbed. I have to spend extra time resetting each time I open more files.

I totally agree with those who have said...make it a choice in preferences! I specifically set my preference to float and the upgrade overrides my choice....HUH?!?! If it's a choice then let it work as a choice!

This needs to be fixed!! Digital scrappers have a huge following for PSE. How about considering us when these changes are made!

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60 Points

9 years ago

Almost all, if not all of the comments, favor allowing the user to have an option to float or not float all open files (as was the case at one time). It seems to be falling on deaf ears. Unless I have missed something, nothing is being done to respond to the users wishes. Adobe, do you look at this user feedback?

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80 Points

9 years ago

Ok! I'm tired of fighting with this software. So I just uninstall PSE 9.
I don't understand that this software is increasingly expensive to become less and less good. I throw in the towel as we say in french .

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180 Points

9 years ago

Perhaps a re-install of the original will also allow the prefs to be saved without reverting other prefs to (unwanted) defaults? Seems the problem is Adobe doesn't know how to create/write/read an XML file. Too much "Not-invented-here" (lack of) mentality... :rolleyes:

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164 Points

9 years ago

It's much easier to drag from one document to another with floating windows. I strongly prefer that and am amazed Adobe would not provide users with a choice in preferences.

What's EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING is that even after you open PSE with multiple documents and select "Float All in Windows," if you open another document, you have to choose "Float All in Windows" again. I frequently need to add documents several times during a session, making it necessary to choose that stupid menu selection again and again and again in a single session.

Each PSE upgrade adds more new frustrations than new features. I've used PSE for a long time -- my first version was when it was called "Photoshop LE." The last few versions are going in the wrong direction regarding the user interface.

Five months ago the "Official Response" in this thread stated, "let us know your preferences on the subject." We have. But there have been no updates. If Adobe can't get this simple change accomplished in an update in five months, something's awfully wrong with Adobe's efficiency or willingness to provide what users need.

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80 Points

9 years ago

I agree not having a good floating choice is very frustrating and almost impossible for digital scrapbookers. We have the project and want to drag the photos, embellishments and wordart into the project. But having all the windows tab to the smallest embellishment, then having to drag out each window and resize it for the project is very frustrating! I teach beginner digital scrapbookers and they give up with tabs! I always recommend Elements 7 because of this problem with Elements 8 and 9. I hope they fix this problem soon. At least make it possible for the user to pick how they want Elements to work! Also I wish Adobe would put more tools for digital scrapbookers, like scissor cuts and so forth and stenciling tools like other scrapbooking software programs. I understand this might not be the direction for Photoshop, but Elements should work for digital scrapbookers -- otherwise why have it - we might as well only have Photoshop (which I have too) or go to other programs that are developing digital scrapbooking tools in their software programs

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180 Points

9 years ago

I seldom use the 'drag a corner' method to enlarge an image. Command (control-Windows?)-"+"(plus sign) does that in just about every Mac app I know of. Of course, command-"-" (minus) does just the opposite.

I have no idea what a "scissor" tool does, but it might help to 'play' with the selection tools available. Specifically, the Magic Wand (W) might be useful with the "Contiguous" box checked, also try the Anti-alias ON/OFF as well as adjusting the "Tolerance" values. Then there is the Magnetic Lasso (L) that does a pretty good job of selecting anything with a fairly well defined contrast with the rest of the image (several 'command-+' keyboard shortcuts really come in handy, of course!). The "Quick Select" (A) tool works well also, usually with smaller, solid brushes. One advantage of that tool is that you can simple press the shift key to change the tool from adding an area to subtracting one. Finally, the 'normal' "Selection Brush" tool lets you 'paint' a selections anywhere you want.

I think it really helps to learn the single key codes for selecting each tool, also. That lets you concentrate on the image instead of re-focusing on the keyboard and back.

I tend to agree with you that Adobe probably won't make many (if any) new tools for scrap-bookers. We're lucky they let us have so many tools that are in Photoshop! I just wish they'd learn how to use the API's Apple provides that seem to work so well with every other cross-platform app ever made. Especially for such stupid simple things like writing/saving Preference files. But Adobe seems to think they own image editing tools...just like Microsoft thought it owned web browsers. LOL!

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195.8K Points

Apple doesn't provide any cross-platform APIs. Nor does Apple provide any useful APIs for preferences (their APIs only work if you have very small, very simple preferences). Adobe does work with Apple to make best use of the APIs that Apple offers. And what does any of that have to do with this topic (tabbed or floating windows in Elements)?

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180 Points

Hello Mr. Cox!

Good to actually "hear" from an employee who sounds like they know more than I do! Of course, that's not really saying much...

However, If you read all the posts, it is painfully obvious that the problem of floating windows is directly related to the failure of the inability of Elements (aka, Adobe) to save edits to the preferences file. In fact, I contend that the info we're complaining about here, is not even IN the standard Mac .plist file (pure plain text, XML, after all) but most likely in the "Adobe Photoshop Elements 9 Prefs.psp" file. Of course, all this data can be in a completely different place, it really doesn't matter. The point is, Elements has been unable to "remember" various settings for more than one version. The problem of putting all images in a single tabbed window even though the user is set to display them floating is but one item that does work. Even though Elements can now 'remember' to use jpeg as the Save for Web format, it still reverts to 0 (zero) as the default quality instead of the last used setting. And then there is the setting to always use the format suffix in the file name. That only works if you never change anything else in the prefs!.

Now, I don't know if it's because Apple doesn't provide enough help for your programmers or that the programmers don't understand what is being said in these forums. The result of the lack of any changes in these and many other complaints is that Adobe has gained a reputation of not caring what the user wants. At least in Elements. Perhaps Photoshop and the rest of the CSwhatever suite is perfect. Perhaps that is all Adobe is trying to do, get everyone to buy the "expensive spread." But I think you know, that's just not going to happen.

I'm sorry Adobe doesn't seem able to save the large number of details on a large number of objects, at least in Elements. But I can think of several apps, from word processors, database creators, page layout and video apps that seem to do this quite well. I just finished a 55 page book with around 150 entries on that many people. Each person could have an image or two, with shadows and/or a frame, one to four text areas with three different font sizes and a couple of styles. Each of the two to six items in are in different places on each and every page measured in pixels. The pages are automatically numbered, odd and even numbered pages with the proper binding spacing. And text boxes were linked so that text overflowed to fill as many boxes in as many places at whatever size needed. Not only does this app never crash, the files opens exactly the same every single time. Plus, with Lion, I have every minute change made to the file available in a 'versions' file that makes available replacing something with a simple drag 'n drop.

Now, I'm sure keeping up with all this is not nearly as difficult as maintaining info in a couple dozen different layers of a 10 foot square image. But no one has asked for that. All we want is for the preference setting to work! How many preferences are there, anyway? I'm betting less than 100. And your saying that an XML file can't be written to hold hundred different bits of info? I can only hope that I am seriously misunderstanding what you wrote.

But I still hope you have a great weekend! :salute: And thanks for offering your insights! ;-)

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Um, it has little to do with preferences. It has to do with a choice made by the Elements team to make it work a certain way. And that happens on both platforms, so has nothing to do with platform specific settings.

Most of this discussion is saying "give us the option" about tabs or floating windows.
Only your comment mentions problems with prefs, and I originally thought it was added to the wrong topic.

And this has nothing to do with what Apple does or doesn't provide. (Apple doesn't provide a lot of what we need, but we keep asking anyway)
Plus, plist files are very, very limited in what they can store (and extremely fragile, to boot).

So, really, you're rambling on about things completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

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140 Points

Mr. Cox, please answer this basic question. Is Adobe going to add an update to PSE9 that would allow us to set our preference to "Float all in Windows?" That is the question we have all been asking, and no employee of Adobe will ever answer. Thanks for your help.

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We can't comment on unannounced features or versions of software. But the Elements team has heard your feedback.

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140 Points

9 years ago

HUH???? I'm not sure what you mean but we just want the opportunity to have preferences work as they should....chose what we want and have it work!!!! That's all. Adobe took that choice away with the "unanounced features or versions" so just do another update and FIX IT!!!