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1.1K Points

Fri, Apr 22, 2011 7:12 PM

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Elements: A way to change the UI colors

Is there a way to change the Photoshop CS5 and Elements 9 user interface and application colors? With the black and dark grey colors it is extremely difficult to use. Earlier versions like Photoshop CS4 and Elements 5 have a much cleaner user interface and background colors that is so much easier to see and use. Please help, I'm going blind trying to see dark gray on black.

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Champion

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893 Messages

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19.3K Points

10 years ago

Hello, Sharon! Photoshop CS5 is not any darker than CS4, but Elements sure has a darker skin than Photoshop.
I noticed that the tool icons of Photoshop look more similar to the ones used on the video software, whose interface brightness can be adjusted, so let's hope that it is a work in progress!

11 Messages

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1.1K Points

Hi, Thanks for your comment and observations. Based on your comments there are 3 "different" interfaces for 3 fairly similar products. Seems like Adobe should choose the best one to at least start an improvement.

Brett N replied that the ability to lighten/darken was present in earlier versions and then removed. I don't have access to the video software to check it out, but adjusting brightness would probably help. I think the real issue is contrast. There is just not enough contrast between black and shades of gray.

6 Messages

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118 Points

It's more than just lack of contrast. A UI with a black background is very difficult for those with certain eye problems. I had to stop using the trial version because I couldn't see any of the tools, both for this reason and because they're so tiny.

3 Messages

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228 Points

I just find it much harder to judge colors with the black background. I have actually tossed around the idea of using one of my earlier versions just to lighten up the screen a bit. We really need the ability to change the UI to what we prefer.

4 Messages

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110 Points

What good is this blog if all we can do is complain about how sorry it is to try to see the icons if nothing gets changed. FIX IT!

10 Messages

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402 Points

Photoshop Elements 9 needs a usable USER Interface brightness. If there are complaints about the present one, with NO ONE defending the skin as is, you should recognize that this program needs a patch. The patch minimally should include a brightness slide as was available in previous versions. BETTER would be a choice which includes White with Black letters instead of being forced to use black with white letters which clearly is NOT GOOD for a goodly number of users. Why would you force people to quit your product over such an issue? Yet, purchasing another program is what I will be coming to if I can't find a way to see what is in YOUR program - Photoshop Elements 9. Do you not have a computer programmer in all of Adobe that can make such a patch. I find that hard to believe.

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32.2K Points

Louise, the point is not to complain but to make constructive suggestions. Complaining never helps anyone. What we want from everyone are ideas. One person's fix is the next person's broken feature, so we want to try to generate a group consensus.

Get creative! Take a screen shot of the Elements interface and edit it to what you would like it to look like, then post the image for others to comment on.

27 Messages

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688 Points

Following your comment to Louise, I don't think there is much to suggest in the way of ideas. We just want visible menu fonts and icons which adjust with windows settings, and some skin options. Conformity to the Windows standards would fix it.

I have PSE 5 and initially with a 17" CRT display it was fine. Now I have a 20" LCD at 1650x1050 resolution and PSE 5 is just usable.
The upper case letters in the Menu bar (e.g. the 'E' of Enhance) is just 8 pixels high. On my display that is 2.15mm. on a 22" display at 1920x1080 resolution this becomes 2.03mm A trial of PSE 7 was unusable beacuse of the loss of contrast with the grey/black scheme. Now I am stuck on PSE 5 despite being prepared to purchase an upgrade.
It is possible to calculate the minimum size for clarity by computing the angle subtended at the eye by a letter 2,15mm high at 62cm (24") and discover that the text is, in fact, on the borderline of readability. This is about 0.2 degrees of arc or 6 arc minutes. 20/20 visual acuity allows the eye to perceive about 1 arc minute of line separation. So each of the 8 individual pixels in the letter E at 0.75 arc minutes is below the level of 20/20 visual acuity. The horizontal bars of the E are at the borderline for clear separation.
I am just over 70 years old and wear spectacles. My corrected eyesight is very good but around and as the eyes age "accommodation" (quickly varying focus) becomes slower.
I suspect your developers and testers are mostly in their 20s and 30s with perfect vision. Why not add a couple of people 'of advanced' years and with corrective spectacles to your testers? Or I am sure plenty of users would be prepared to help with Beta testing.
As Photoshop is primarily a visual program, do Adobe have vision experts on the development team, who understand the science of visual acuity and the eye to assist in the UI design?

You might consider how many sales you are losing to people like me and to competitive products. I have just tried a test download of Serif PhotoPlus and it's a close thing.

6 Messages

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172 Points

Rather a lengthy tome but AGREE that adjustable or more legible interface is needed on ALL Adobe products such as Lightroom, Photoshop and their variations.

Just because the people at Adobe can't see this is no reason not to change.

I am 87, a former Marine fighter pilot still with corrected 20/20 vision and reasonable, but not perfect, color awareness.

34 Messages

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666 Points

Totally agree. The dark grey on black format seems to be stylish these days, but that does not in any way make it useable. The Adobe employee responses are not responsive and seem to be directed to ducking the issue instead of resolving it.

26 Messages

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484 Points

I totally agree. I was so disappointed after I purchased PSE 8 with my computer. I can barely read the user interface print because it is SO TINY. Also the color contrast is poor as others have mentioned. I also am an older user and it causes eye strain trying to read their print. With newer monitors and higher resolution available these days you'd think Adobe would have an adjustment available withing their program for UI font size and colors!!!
I'll be using Coral's Paint Shop Pro mostly until this is fixed.

2 Messages

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92 Points

I agree also, and thank you to everyone that responded. I've had surgery on my right twice in months, and it's very difficult to see the small words, especially on the dark background. Seems like Adobe would have made the words WHITE!. I never put black on dark grey. What were they thinking!!! Would be nice if they would come up with a fix without having to upgrade.

2 Messages

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70 Points

Barbara L. has another good point--the lettering is too small, especially in a low contrast scheme. We don't all have 32" monitors!

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242 Points

I too, am very upset with the ridiculously dark work space and no way to adjust it. I just purchased the newly released "ELEMENTS 10" having upgraded from earlier Elements vs. Since this problem was called to your attention on earlier versions of Elements, why then did you not think to correct it? Does Adobe not listen to their customers? I agree with others who recommend a patch up-date! We shouldn't have to wait for another new version for the problem to be fixed. I encourage all with this problem to be sure and add your comments. I purchased from Amazon and I most certainly will mention my disappointment in the new version of Elements and the lack of support from Adobe to correct an ongoing customer complaint.

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32.2K Points

10 years ago

It is not possible to change the UI colors of the current versions of Photoshop and Photoshop Elements. Some previous versions of Photoshop Elements offered limited control over the UI (allowing you to lighten or darken it).

We strive to design a UI that is universally acceptable, does not create eye strain, yet isn't too distracting or cluttered, and easy to use. We use comments and suggestions such as yours to help us reach these goals.

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1.1K Points

I hope that Adobe will consider making the UI more useable rather than just "looking good". The gray on black color scheme really doesn't work from a useability point of view. The colored icons on the left side of the screens do work because they really stand out. The buttons at the top part such as Actual Pixels, Fit Screen, Fill Screen, and Print Size don't work at all because there is just not enough Contrast. It is all about contrast. I cannot adjust the brightness or dimness of my screen to create enough contrast to read those 4 buttons without moving my head or the screen.

Take a look at the top bar of Photoshop.com and compare it to everything else on the rest of the page. It doesn't have sufficient contrast. The rest of the page stands out and is easy to read and navigate. I'm not suggesting it should always be black and white, but contrast is important.

Photoshop is used by Photographers and contrast is one of the critical elements to a photo.

As PECourtejoie pointed out "... Elements sure has a darker skin than Photoshop." If Elements were only as dark as CS5 it would be an improvement.

I don't know why the ability to lighten and darken the UI was dropped, but if the ability to lighten, darken and change the contrast of images in Photoshop was removed, the usefulness of Photoshop would be greatly diminished.

If this site is all about making Photoshop better, brightening up the UI and increasing contrast would be a major step in the right direction.

42 Messages

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684 Points

Brett N, this thread should make it very clear that your customers NEED this function that Photoshop has removed from earlier versions. Since we're unable to Comment under your fellow Employee, Jeffrey Tranberry's, remarks, I'm answering him here.

He said "We will work with the product teams to see what we could drum up for future versions but we can't comment on the timing." THIS is Adobe's idea of being responsive to customer needs? i.e., MAYBE we will see about giving you back this previously available feature at some unknowable future date, but you will have to pay for it?

Frankly, that's just B.S. This particular feature could easily be a free patch; Adobe just doesn't WANT to do it.

Thanks for your condescending offer to give me back the feature ... some day, at some additional price ... but no thanks.

2 Messages

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70 Points

Linda, I agree with you 100%.

11 Messages

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214 Points

Adobe are a bloody disgrace. All I see on here are people with the same questions as me as to how the hell are Adobe selling a photo editing program which is not compatible with high resolution screens. And who do you think would be most likely to buy high res screens? Hmm maybe photographers. That rep Brett sounds like a politician and is probably as useless as one.. Everyone who has been conned by Adobe should send back their pse discs wrapped in toilet roll. It would give them a hint what we think of their product and non existent customer service.

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2.6K Points

10 years ago

i like the look of CS5 - definitely dont want it dark like Lightroom (that would be horrible to work with). I work in CS3 alot too - and the brighter palettes are weird compared to CS5. I just dont like the new CS5 tool icons but please dont change them again - trying to get used to them. i do think the tools and the boxes in the tool palette were much easier to see in CS3 than CS5.

14 Messages

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496 Points

10 years ago

sometimes it's very annying the visual contrast produced by the interface color. Bridge does allow to change the brightness of its interface. Photshop kinda allow, changing the document window color by the shift+"color bucket"+click. but the layers and other palettes continue the same (too bright ) color. windows allows sort of change, but I think it must be independent of it.
thanks!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop: Allow customization of interface color (darker).

Adobe Administrator

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15.5K Messages

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291.9K Points

It's a good idea. We do hear this request fairly often.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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180 Points

10 years ago

I just want my "white" background back. It is very difficult for me using the black backgroun. Even with the so called "Dark" & "Light" choice in Preferences still don't allow you to choose white.

To me is is the same thing as a text page with white letters and a black background. It makes my eyes go wonky.

6 Messages

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118 Points

As I previously indicated, I totally agree. I also think larger tool icons and controls would be more than helpful to those of us senior with large monitors and high resolution. The photos look great in the higher resolution, so I wouldn't want to switch down.

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340 Points

10 years ago

I, too, am a long time graphics/video editor (back to Apple LC630FPU days)—now 73 years old and eyesight decreasing in accuity, not increasing! If the UI can't be made more visibly usable I am going to have to look for another app to use—after many years with Adobe (and Aldus b4 that)

Please, at least, give us the OPTION oof choosing an alternative UI color theme.

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484 Points

...and UI font size!!!!

154 Messages

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2.6K Points

10 years ago

is this about photoshop CS5 or elements? I would definitely like to see better separation of the applications in this new feedback forum. They are different applications with different users.

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32.2K Points

Most concerns with the UI are with the Photoshop Elements interface. There is actually very little in the way of complaints with the Photoshop UI. However, when Sharon brought up the topic, she referred to both, thus this subject is technically about both applications. But feel free to specify which application you are referring to when making a suggestion. I, for the most part, will just assume that everyone here is talking about Photoshop Elements unless specifically stated otherwise.

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496 Points

i startede a topic about CS5 interface. admins merged it to PS ELEMENTS forum.
my idea is to be able to change colours of all interface, not just de document window

154 Messages

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2.6K Points

my issue with this feedback site is that eventhough i only follow the PS topics - lightroom, camera raw and elements topics get tagged in there. or more likely people tag PS when the are talking about these other applications. i prefer the old regular forum because it kept the applications separate without relying of the users to tag properly.

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32.2K Points

The Adobe User-to-User forum are just as good at separating products as this site. Just as people may mis-tag topics here, people often place their forum posts in the wrong category. I spend a good deal of time moderating the forums to tell people they should be posting their topic elsewhere or just outright moving it. Nobody's perfect. :)

Adobe Administrator

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15.5K Messages

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291.9K Points

Overlap is going to happen on occasion. The original topic was for both Photoshop and Elements. Other products, like Photoshop, Bridge, Lightroom - and Elements all share the same raw engine so some requests will apply to all.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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1.1K Points

Hi Brett,

A simple white background with black and blue letters would be a great alternative. These are the colors on Photoshop.com. The visual contrast between Photoshop.com and Adobe.com is obvious. Please help my eyes

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210 Points

10 years ago

My problem is with the top bar or drop down menus. Gray or white on black is hard to see with certain room lighting conditions. In my previous version of elements 7, you could switch black on light gray which I found easier to read and use. You dropped this feature in elements 9.

1 Message

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170 Points

10 years ago

Glad to know others are looking for another product - it isn't fun anymore when it is too difficult to see

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340 Points

10 years ago

I am "test-driving" GIMP—it's GNU and free at www.gimp.org... AND easy to look at :|

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228 Points

10 years ago

My aging eyes find the dark UI to be very hard to see. It is hard to judge contrast and some of the writing is plain difficult to see also. PLEASE, please give us back the ability to adjust it to what works for us, not what is a trendy color scheme that will be out of date in a couple years. I too am going blind looking at the new UI.

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402 Points

10 years ago

Photoshop Elements 9 needs a usable USER Interface brightness. If there are complaints about the present one, with NO ONE defending the skin as is, you should recognize that this program needs a patch. The patch minimally should include a brightness slide as was available in previous versions. BETTER would be a choice which includes White with Black letters instead of being forced to use black with white letters which clearly is NOT GOOD for a goodly number of users. Why would you force people to quit your product over such an issue? Yet, purchasing another program is what I will be coming to if I can't find a way to see what is in YOUR program - Photoshop Elements 9. Do you not have a computer programmer in all of Adobe that can make such a patch. I find that hard to believe.

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32.2K Points

Hello Linda, we do have engineers that could make a patch, just as we have engineers that have made all of the ever-changing interfaces Photoshop Elements has had over the years. We we want to know is "What does the perfect interface look like?" Please keep providing specific examples of how you would like it to appear (such as your comment about the color of the lettering).

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118 Points

I believe I can speak for others when I say that I know what's being asked for here without a screenshot. And, as someone else said, no one here is stating a preference for the black backgrounds.

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1.1K Points

I think the Photoshop.com color scheme of this page is much more useable than the Adobe.com, Lightroom and Photoshop products color schemes. It may not look as elegant, but visually, it is superior

3 Messages

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86 Points

Absoltely.Even on the top black menu bar, the choices are a "brighter" grey and I would add the request to up the font size more like this page if I wanted. Thanks

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60 Points

Adobe should not have taken away the ability to adjust the brightness of the interface in PSE v9. It was on the right track when there was an preference to lighten and darken the UI, so why go backwards and frustrate the users. Version 8 was okay but version 7 was even better. If Adobe was really listening to its users, the control for UI should not have been taken away. Wasn't there enough complaints over version 6? My students complained. Adobe should be adding not taking away functionality!

6 Messages

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210 Points

10 years ago

Switch between light/dark UI like in previous version - that was great idea. This current dark only scheme is ugly and horrible to work with! I'm even sometimes thinkging about changing graphics software. Removing that feature was big mistake imo. I hope Adobe will restore this switch in next version.

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1K Points

10 years ago

It already has been improved from Version 8 to Version 9 I have seen.

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80 Points

10 years ago

I actually like the UI of PSE 8 over the UI of PSE9 to the extent that there was the ability to see the photo against a pure black background to give the photo a contrasting POP.