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Sun, Jun 18, 2017 6:12 PM

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Photoshop/Lightroom: HEIF support for iOS 11

Any plans to support the HEIF file format that iOS 11 uses natively?

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Adobe Administrator

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3 years ago

Hi all,

Adobe is committed to supporting the imaging industry and we are constantly reviewing new formats as they become adopted throughout the imaging ecosystem. We are currently reviewing our strategy to support HEIF format images, but have no immediate timelines that we can share.

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This response is an excellent example of an information free response. It's an answer that basically says nothing.

Apple will release iOS 11 and two new iPhones this fall -- one this month and one in November. I import my iPhone photos to Lightroom and use Lightroom mobile. If neither can support the default image format in iOS 11, I think the tech press will be all over this.
JPEGmini already announced they will be ready when the time comes.

http://blog.jpegmini.com/did-apple-kill-jpegs/

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Adobe Administrator

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286.1K Points

3 years ago

Lightroom Mobile (3.0.0 317C4C) now supports HEIF.

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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And by "support" you mean "converts to JPEG" still, correct?

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Still appears to be the case in January 2018. I'm losing the DNG inside the HEIF file when Lightroom Mobile uploads.

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186 Points

We still can't export to HEIF

Champion

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102.5K Points

3 years ago

There's unlikely to be anything officially announced until support is available, but no doubt it's on their radar.

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http://freetoolonline.com/heic-to-jpg.html

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506 Points

3 years ago

I think it would be great if they would announce something sooner rather than later, especially if they still want to compete in the mobile editing space.

Champion

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102.5K Points

3 years ago

For sure, but the Apple news has only been out a couple of weeks, and nothing happens THAT quickly in big companies. I think, however, you can rest assured that they're not going to ignore Apple's changes. They can't afford to be left behind.

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682 Points

Actually, HEIF is an MPEG standard and has been around for a couple of years. Adobe could drop in a reference implementation pretty quickly, I'm guessing, even if just read support.

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60 Points

3 years ago

No kidding, let's kill jpeg, png, and gif in one swoop!

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1.9K Points

3 years ago

I'd like to see HEIF support for sure. Should be quite nice, especially since it would reduce upload and download times substantially for better quality images.

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60 Points

3 years ago

Just spent 5 minutes trying to import some fireworks photos into Lightroom mobile, before I remembered that heif support is probably why I couldn’t edit

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110 Points

3 years ago

Give us HEIF or WebP, I dont think anyone cares anymore since both technologies have been fleshed out many years ago. It is time to get up to speed with better image and video compressions and for Adobe to make the lame claim they are reviewing this is a joke! They have been reviewing both of these then for more than 7 years. How long do they have to review something before they take action?

One upside at least for HEIF is if you can create these image types you dont need to wait for a browser to support it because you can just upload a js script and you are good to go.

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But another script JUST for browser support. The sad part is that not all browsers will come aboard so they are likely to be the only ones - for sometime  - to be the ones to target.Chrome is playing w/ their own JPG replacement (pik - v. experimental), and have WebP to work with (which they are targeting PNG for replacement in fact)FireFox has shown much reluctance in the past to adopt new formats, and have done it begrudgingly for WebP (originally swore to not support it, but proceeded to implement support years later - filed here) Are CDNs going to provide the support??Oh ya, there's a patent too. re: WebP, there is a 3rd party plugin that seems to be working well - though no support seems to be coming from publisher any longer... 

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682 Points

3 years ago

For those unfamiliar with HEIF, its a container format to hold other image and video files. Video is moving to h.265 which is an improvement over the older h.264. HEIF allows things like Apple's Live Photos to be encapsulated into one standard format file.

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And it can hold audio and other stuff too. But the big deal is more compression with higher quality than JPEG. So not only storage but transmission times are significantly reduced.

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110 Points

3 years ago

Yes it is a container but it is not just a container, it is a full blown file format with a compression algorithm. Which is the biggest plus for it, however the ability to work with a variety of formats (gif and video) makes it an ideal candidate for the future.

Just shaking my head as to why we are still waiting and not taking advantage of these new engines and still have to hack our way along with jpg, png and the various video formats? So much for the tech industry being on the cutting edge. I guess when you have the likes of Google, Microsoft, Adobe and Apple on the playground arguing about whose stick is bigger, nothing will ever come of this.

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"Just shaking my head as to why we are still waiting and not taking advantage of these new engines and still have to hack our way along with jpg, png and the various video formats?"

Because the format is not widely used by photographers. When or if it is, then I'm sure Lightroom will support it in some way.

That said, I have always advocated that Lightroom should be able to catalogue all file types, leaving it to the photographer to decide if the files are part of their photographic workflow.

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I see the point, but it begs the question of whether Adobe wants to lead or follow. It once led. But like most tech once it gets a big base it develops inertia and becomes more risk-averse.

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I think part of why Adobe is taking a back seat to this is because they are waiting to find out what the browsers are going to support. Granted we dont need to care about that so much with this format but it would be nice since it means one more script working on the site that can cause a conflict. If you are familiar with Dreamweaver, Adobe has done much the same there and this seems to be an issue when dealing with multiple tech. 

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"I see the point, but it begs the question of whether Adobe wants to lead or follow. It once led. But like most tech once it gets a big base it develops inertia and becomes more risk-averse."

To meet generalisations with another, shouldn't each issue be judged on its individual merits? Maybe HEIF will be widely adopted, but how many false dawns have you seen?

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I think in this case John it comes down to what is functional. Sure Adobe could push it and try and force it on us. We have seen this behavior from them and know they are quite capable of it. However in this case if the format does not work or causes issues on the browser or server side, then regardless what Adobe wants it is not going to happen. I think the bigger issue here is each of these others have their own idea of how this need should be met and they are the ones forcing their influence. For Adobe to join in and do the same would just be adding one more bully to the playground.

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798 Points

3 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photo format change is coming! Apple changing to HEIC instead of JPG.

With the IOS 11 beta, Apple has changed the photo format from JPG to HEIC. This is a different file format that Lightroom currently doesn't support. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

It would be a good idea to jump on the new file format quickly before the world upgrades to IOS 11 in the fall and suddenly realizes they can't view their photos in Windows, and can't edit their photos in Lightroom.

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798 Points

Searched for "HEIC" before posting, which is the HEIF file extension of IOS 11 photos. I am glad to read the discussion had already started.

At this point in the IOS 11 beta there is a setting to change the format back to JPG.  
Settings > Camera > Formats > Camera Capture
  • High Efficiency
  • Most Compatible
By default, Apple is switching on High Efficiency, and changing the photo format.

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156 Points

3 years ago

I'm surprised this thread only has 20 comments. Come September 19th thousands of LR/PS user will scratch their heads asking why their software isn't loading their pictures.
Adobe: I'm paying you to support the major file formats for pictures.

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798 Points

3 years ago

I sent this email to all my users:

The new firmware for the phones (IOS 11) is going to be released very shortly (9/19/2017). I have been running this firmware in test mode on my phone for a while now and I have been very happy with the upgrade. There are a few things you should be aware of before you upgrade to the new firmware.

Camera settings

In an effort to save storage space on your phone Apple has embraced a new photo format – HEIF. This “high efficiency” format compresses your photos more than the standard JPG format while keeping similar quality. This is a great new feature, BUT...Windows, apps, programs all need to be updated to support this brand new image format. If you take HEIF pictures and transfer to a computer you may not be able to view the photos or use them on your computer.

I suggest you disable this new format for now, until the industry has caught up and embraces the new format. Follow these instructions to disable this feature:

  1. Open Settings > Camera > Formats > Camera Capture
  2. Set the option for Most Compatible

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100 Points

3 years ago

I was just going to point out the same. There has always been an opt out. But they are clearly transitioning to the new format. BUT, they have spent sometime talking about this and in fact had 3 sessions during WWDC. I do feel this roll out is mildly messy. At writing, I'm not even sure that Safari is supporting this. Let's see how it goes. But this is significant enough that  could get the ire of many for rushing this one out. Who knows. I guess today is the day no? Sept 19th?