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Thu, Oct 19, 2017 10:09 PM

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Lightroom Ecosystem: Selective Sync

I'm not a professional and have only used Lightroom for less than a year. I do love the redesign and I want to use it but I don't like the auto-sync. How hard would it be to implement an option that prevents auto sync and instead enables manual sync? 

My idea is to add a manual sync option in the settings and when you want a photo to be uploaded to the cloud you should be able to click on the cloud button and hit "Sync" or "Upload". Taking away people's ability to choose doesn't just scare away the pros but also the beginners. 
Also, some advanced features from the original Lightroom need to be added. One of them is the export function. The new export function is terrible. I only see "Small, Full Size, and Custom". The original Lightroom has a lot more export functions.

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240 Points

3 y ago

I absolutely do not want everything in one place. I use my phone and my desktop for very different purposes and I want to maintain that distinction. I guess I'll have to remove lightroom from the phone.

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106 Points

3 y ago

I don't want all photos uploaded to CC.  I take a lot of snapshots and reserve LR and PS for more professional work so don't want the two sets intermingled.  I want to be able to sync only the collections I choose to.

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192 Points

3 y ago

I really like having all my photos uploaded to the cloud. I recently transferred over to the Lightroom CC only option with 1TB of storage (£9.94)

This gives me offsite back up of all my photos and the ability of having them locally storaged and locally backed up.

However I notice that Adobe charge such a large amount for cloud storage. This seems to be the real issue here rather than selective sync. My subscription is £9.94/month but that is also the same price of an additional 1TB which is quite a lot compared to other cloud storage companies.

Storage is really cheap now and I think it would be better for Adobe to lower the price of the per TB storage so more customers can benefit from the syncing and off site back ups. Also maybe including it on more plans. That seems to be what a lot of people are talking about here.

I would like the ability of priority upload for a selection of images and pausing sync on the rest as sometimes you want to be working on a certain set of photos across devices and don’t want to wait for everything else to upload first.

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114 Points

3 y ago

As suggested by others I'd like a Hybrid solution so that I can use the cloud selectively and not for my whole library.

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132 Points

2 y ago

I use LR CC mainly on my phone. I am on a lot of Whatsapp groups which on any given day send 100s of irrelevant pictures/memes/mailers etc. All these land up in my phone gallery and get synced to my Creative Cloud account automatically. I don't want that. Can I have control over what I need to be synced to cloud since I'm paying for that?

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132 Points

Oh man that would drive me nuts. Surely the devs thought of that?

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You can turn off auto import in Lightroom Mobile and then choose which photos to import. Are were you looking for a way to select a specific album in Photos to import from? I believe that may be an iOS limitation.

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132 Points

That's what I've done now. I was under the impression that the app would only auto import images clicked by the camera or camera apps. As of now, it imports all images that make their way into the Android Gallery on the phone and this includes all the useless memes that are passed around on whatsapp. This is where auto import of only albums designated by the user would make sense.

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342 Points

Yes this is an auto import issue. Just go into Lightroom on your phone, click on the ... At the top right corner, -> settings -> import -> turn off "auto add from camera roll". When you want to edit a photo in LR you'll add it from your camera roll from the main screen in LR and it will be added to your cloud storage.

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202 Points

2 y ago

Like others said I want to select things I want to sync on the cloud because your storage price is crazy insane and I don’t want to work with both classic and Lightroom CC at the same tine.

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116 Points

2 y ago

The storage price is too high and I just don't need all my Photos in the cloud. I have Terabytes of Raw Images. It would take months to upload them. Maybe I could split my photo library into multiple libraries and just upload one of them, but I want everything in one place. So I will stay with Lightroom 6 (2015) as long as possible.

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6.2K Points

2 y ago

Mathias, Lightroom Classic is the evolution of Lightroom 6 and does exactly what you want. No need to think about moving to Lightroom cc. For most people Lightroom cc is not a viable option. It might be somewhere in the distance future but that’s a long way away. Mean time Lightroom Classic is getting a lot of development and new features.

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Thats true, but I want the cloud feature, because sometimes I want to develop and manage photos from my library on my iPad, when I'm "on the road".

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It works pretty well with just the smart previews that Lightroom Classic syncs and if you import on the road on your iPad, the images get synced down to Classic. Only thing missing is to enable full raw sync from Classic which I asked for here:https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-classic-should-be-able-to-sync-full... Make sure you add to vote to it as it would be the perfect way to do this. 

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That's not the only thing missing. Keywords also do not sync (because there is no keyword hierarchy in CC/mobile), nor do collection hierarchy.

There are also other sync features that are missing in Classic. I have outlined the ones that matter to me in this post: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/a-more-robust-lightroom-classic-sync

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You must have selective sync and do it yesterday.  As is it is right now, the LR storage starts to exceed the phone storage of most phones, Over 20% of my storage is occupied by Lr and I am not happy about that.  Perhaps a pro would, but not a casual user. I am thinking of not renewing just because of this.  Just because you compete with Icloud, dropbox, ever and onedrive, you should not coerce your customer to go to your server but that is what you in essence are doing. Fix it soon or I will hit my delete button and not renew.  Sorry, there are other open source photo editors.

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> As is it is right now, the LR storage starts to exceed the phone storage of most phones,

Michael, just to be clear, phones don't download all of the files. They only download the metadata initially, then thumbnails as needed, then small smart previews as needed. They don't download originals unless you ask it to, and you can clear the smart preview cache to free up space too.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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278 Points

Just as a general comment, in this era of A.I. and superpowerful hardware the sync of Lightroom feels like stoneage to me. I wonder if they are aware of this and working to fix it or if they just think it is good enough.

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142 Points

2 y ago

This is the second most popular request thread in the Lightroom CC category - and yet, apart from one clarifying comment from "Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion" above - absolutely ZERO response or action from Adobe themselves or Moderators.

So folks - get the message? - no point contributing and commenting here for anything - let alone for a mighty handy improvement to their Lightroom CC offering by enabling some sort of selective sync.

Victoria's clarifier above is fine for consumers - but hopeless for serious photographers with huge photo collections.  Yes - Lightroom Classic is an alternative [and the only usable one for photographers] ... however it lacks several features currently available only in LR CC see the Adobe website for details. https://www.adobe.com/africa/products/photoshop-lightroom-classic/lightroom-cc-vs-lightroom-classic.html

Un-subscribing from this forum - views are clearly not taken seriously by developers.

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All of the requests are taken seriously, but it's not like rubbing a bottle to get a genie to appear to grant your wishes. Sync needs to be completely rock solid before they consider making it even more complex, and most of the customers who want selective sync also need other more advanced features which could do with being in place first.

It's unusual to see people complaining that Classic doesn't have features that CC does... what is Classic missing for you?

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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I’ll speak from my own experience, but LR Classic is missing hugely in the Sync department. You can’t Sync hierarchy or tags between Mobile and Classic. You can’t Sync presets to mobile, you have to manually add them via LRCC Desktop. You can’t sync folders or collection sets. And using two computers is a huge pain if you’re using Classic. You can’t access original images from Mobile if you synced them from Classic. And there’s no easy way to sync all your photos from Classic to Mobile.

And I don’t think those complaints are unusual. Here’s my own post as well as others on these topics. Plus folks have been asking for expanded Sync features in Classic since before CC Desktop existed.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photos...

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334 Points

Forget the genie - a simple response from development that a concept requested and commented on by so many is "under consideration" - or impractical to develop due to technical constraints ... would be a welcome acknowledgement that Adobe values the suggestions or concerns of its customers.

I don't believe any "complaining" about Classic vs CC was mentioned - the author simply pointed out the differences - which I assume you are familiar with - or have at least read the link provided where the main differences are clearly set out.

Facetious comments from a "Moderator" are not helpful.

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278 Points

I think Jon Anscher here above and in the links provided describes very well the situaton. in particular “...there’s no easy way to sync all your photos from Classic to Mobile....” .
There actually are ‘difficult’ ways, that I found out after two months of trial and error and with some help from Victoria Bampton, but they are cumbersome and time consuming. That the reason for my comment above about the ‘stone age’ feeling.
Let’s see if somebody from Adobe will let us know they are working on it, or if they simply don’t care.

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Unfortunately they have announced in a few places that there will be no improvements on the syncing capabilities of Classic in the future. Not sure how hard and fast that is of course but clear that that is not their focus.

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334 Points

Thanks Jao - this is what I suspected - just a pity no one from Adobe Development had the courtesy to respond to this thread and tell it like it is !

I have used Lightroom for over a decade - since version 1.0 - and have thoroughly enjoyed the refinements, improvements and added features over the years. However I am clearly not alone in becoming increasingly concerned that, having switched to a subscription model - Adobe is beginning to appreciate its user base less and less.

A shift in attitude and approach would be welcome - and easily achieved by being more responsive to the efforts of users to contribute to the efficacy of their products.

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Hi kernol, yes, I'm very well aware of the issues and differences. I was responding to John Wallace's comments that comments here are essentially ignored (which is not true), and interested to hear which CC features he's currently missing in Classic, as it's very unusual to hear it that way round. The more limited sync capabilities in Classic are the obvious one, but John seemed to be suggesting there were more.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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@Jao

This entire thread is in regards to Lightroom CC, not Classic. Everyone already knows that ALL of the Classic products are being removed, so they can charge more for Software As A Service, and deliver inferior products. Companies tried this several years ago, and it was a major failure. Hopefully, it will fail again. It is the lack of syncing options in Lightroom CC, that make it useless. Not to mention the numerous features in Classic that don’t exist in CC.

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334 Points

@Victoria

I can see that you do an amazing job interacting with this community by the number of posts and likes - so nothing personal - but the user-base does not seem to share your view that their comments are taken seriously ... or indeed at all.

As an "insider" you may well know better - but I assume even you are prohibited by Adobe policy from giving any indication about which features, if any, are actually under consideration or development ... and which are not.  

It is simply actual FEEDBACK from Adobe that will break the feelings of neglect expressed by so many members of the community.

All that we mere mortals can do is hope that you, our "Lightroom Queen", can carry these "complaints" to the powers that be ... and encourage them to engage more with their own community.

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Absolutely @kernol, I'd love to see Adobe be more open with their customers. In the early days of Lightroom, the user base was much smaller and the product much simpler, and it was much more of a two-way communication. These days, everything is so much more complex, and they've become quieter as a result. Josh Haftel (LR mobile/web manager) commented on it towards the end of this thread: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/are-the-professionals-being-ignored

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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64 Points

2 y ago

This is top of my request list too.   I'm not a professional photographer, but have to dip in and out of photo editing.    I need to start collating photos from various devices and storage including an old Aperture library.   However that library alone would exceed my Adobe storage and it's not viable to upgrade my Adobe storage when I have a perfectly good Synology NAS at home which looks after (and backs up) all my other data and is accessible wherever I have to work.
I'm going to have to download LR Classic but would much prefer integrating a cloud option with selective sync.  
Please Adobe, listen to your customers.   This option seems to have a lot of support so please acknowledge this and look to add features that people are desperate for.

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50 Points

2 y ago

Add the feature for manually photo sync and i will use Lightroom CC.

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72 Points

2 y ago

Top of my list of features is selective sync. Australian internet makes cloud storage completely useless, and therefore the idea of editing in multiple places also useless unless we have selective sync. If I added even half the photos I took per year to lightroom, that's a terabyte of RAW files. On Australian internet, that'd take about two years to upload. There's no way to tell which RAWs it uploads first either, meaning if I want to upload RAWs, I've got to wait for all the photos I add to upload before I can edit the most recent on my phone. This is a ludicrous system and makes the whole thing the opposite of convenient.

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62 Points

2 y ago

What happened to this thing. It is impossible to use Lightroom at my home. My upload speed is 0.5mbps and once it starts uploading all my internet gets jammed. I have added photos in Lightroom and now I can not control which one to sync. If I pause the sync, it will also pause any other share such as in portfolio. Hope they will fix this issue fast.

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66 Points

2 y ago

Somewhat blown away that selective album/folder sync does not exist in this product. The storage price per GB is way high given the fact that people are already paying a subscription for the product. The "selection" of storage tiers is flatly offensive coupled with the price differential (100GB to 1TB?). And what about people with older computers (cloud sync ramps my fans on a brand new XPS15 with 32GB) and slow upload speed? This just does not make sense given that the feature would be trivial to implement. Someone in finance is being stubborn, but such is the state of the world in 2019. This is a cash grab by Adobe to wring even more money from loyal customers who've already been slapped around aggressively during a terribly confusing product launch/transition from the outset. You want people to switch to LRCC, make it worth switching to. There is a reason C1 is gaining traction, and it isn't just because PhaseOne got great at marketing all of the sudden.

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The Lightroom formerly known as CC is a cloud-based app that leverages the cloud for more than just storage, but also for its features. Many of the features only work for photos that are in stored in the cloud.

Lightroom Classic is designed for local storage solution with some selective sync.

They're not asking people to switch, they're offering both workflows so people can choose which suits them best.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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240 Points

There is no Lightroom Classic for Android -- only Lightroom.  And Android Lightroom does not even offer the option of not uploading, so they are demanding that all Android users keep everything on their overpriced cloud. Also, in my remote location, internet service is so unreliable and so slow that at my present advanced age, I could never hope to live long enough to see all this data make it to the cloud, and indeed, I don't want it there. I'd just like to use it to organize all the images on my phone.

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Gary, you could pause sync to prevent uploading, but of course any organization you did wouldn't make it back to a desktop. 

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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I have to second what Jeff and Gary have said here. I want a usable photo editor and library tool on my iPad but that does not hold me hostage to exponentially increasing annual fees. I have nearly 800 GB of active photos in my library. Already, if I loaded new photos, I'd be pushing the 1TB limit. In 5 more years, I'll probably be approaching 2TB. After that I'd have to jump to 5TB which is $50/month for CC, $60 if you want Classic and Photoshop.

I don't mind just syncing the Smart Previews, so long as I could get the RAW files to my computer. But importing to my iPad causes all kinds of issues and manual management to keep the originals from taking up cloud space. And syncing from LR Classic doesn't keep all the organization I've done.

Anyway, this gets beyond selective sync now. I'm not necessarily opposed to cloud sync, but I don't want to be held hostage by their cloud storage pricing. Honestly, if they either offered cloud storage for far less (2TB for $10/month, 5TB for $20), I'd considering LrCC. Or if they offered real, whole library SmartPreview sync for LrClassic, I might stick with that. But at the moment, my loyalty is up for grabs to the first company to offer me an effective, semi-pro editing tool and library for the iPad that does not gouge me on storage costs.

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Well, "pausing" sync isn't a real solution, is it? Turning it OFF or ON is the only real solution. Even Google with its voracious appetite for everything it can get from you lets me decide when I want to sync.  And for allowing it to keep a copy of all your photos, Google gives you the storage free. Adobe wants to have all your pictures, and make you pay for doing it. Sheesh!

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Pause is essentially turning it off, just in different phrasing.

Nothing in life is free. Google will find another way to cover their costs for your storage, likely through advertising. Adobe's up-front about making you pay for storage. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I support the request for selective sync. There are certainly some workflows that will benefit from doing so. I'm less convinced that it will turn out to be the ideal solution everyone wants, because it will cripple some of the clever stuff Adobe's doing in the cloud.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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No no. Pausing is not turning it off, "just in different phrasing." Not even remotely. Turning it off is a preference, it is persistent, it stays that way. Pausing it is not permanent and you have to deal with it every single time you invoke the app. And by the time you do that, pictures that you may or may not want sent, have been sent anyway.

As to free -- hah! Google is happy to have your data and to monetize it as they see fit. Adobe wants to have your data, monetize it as they see fit, and make you pay them to do it. The difference is significant. Moreover,  Adobe does not explain this "up front," at least in any clear and honest way. They do not tell you that they will automatically upload your entire phone to their cloud. They just do it, and then tell you to pay for the storage. It's a devious and underhanded marketing trick that no amount of "clever" things (that most phone users don't want anyway) can make up for. 

We are not talking about "workflows" here. We're talking about people's phones. The average consumer wouldn't even know what "workflow" means. What they want is what has been iterated repeatedly throughout this thread. They want an app to help organize, tag, and perhaps do light editing on their snapshots. They certainly do not want to try something out only to find that their data has been taken, without their permission, and to then be told that they will have to pay for it.

Finally, there is absolutely no way that making syncing an option could be less than ideal. With choice, anyone who actually wanted all that "clever stuff" could have it with a click of an icon. Those that don't need not click the button.

I'm glad you support the idea, but Adobe will never respond to this request, or any customer request for that matter. They never have.

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Point of clarification: When you pause syncing in Lightroom Classic, it stays paused, no matter how many times you open and close the app. When I first tried Lightroom CC, I kept syncing paused in Lightroom Classic for months.

The same is true for the iOS app. Even if you close the app by swiping up.

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2 y ago

For me to use Lightroom CC, selective sync is a must-have.

I want an ecosystem that allows me to see previews or smart previews of all my images in one easily organized place on all my devices. But I only need active projects and a select few other images on the cloud, with everything always backed up locally.

Essentially, I want a unified system for viewing all of my images regardless of source — phone,iPad, SLR — that integrates seamlessly and easily with my Adobe CC Suite and my RAW workflow.

I don't want my 10 terabytes of data stored "safely in the cloud", as if there is such a thing.

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If you have 10TB of data, is there a specific reason you want to use the cloud app, rather than Lightroom Classic, which is designed for folder-based photo management?

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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I, like threesixty, want the Smart Preview sync from Classic. I want to be able to sync the Smart Previews from my library to my iPad, including my organization and folder structure and all my photos. I also want to be able to import and go through the entire editing process on my iPad, though I’d be willing to accept local storage there, if the new iPadOS external storage implementation allows that.

I actually wonder if Adobe’s attempt to keep the two softwares connected is actually causing problems here. Let them be separate and give Classic a far more robust Smart Preview only sync. But allow photos imported on the iPad to sync back to the desktop or to a connected hard drive locally or via WiFi.

I’ve already got a robust backup system for my photos including unlimited cloud backup for $5/month through BackBlaze (that’s right, unlimited, I currently have 19 TB there, mostly in video content, though I recognize their average user will probably have much smaller amounts, but still, I can manage my own local + remote backup for my photos for much cheaper than Adobe’s rates). I don’t need to pay Adobe for cloud backup. I just want a library and photo editor for my iPad. And local storage for that would be fine. I already behave my Lr Library on an external device because I edit from two machines.

That said, I’m not opposed to cloud storage. There are some limitations there (problems with bandwidth over cellular, for instance, and having to choose between allowing all syncing or none, versus Smart Preview only). Just not at Adobe’s price structure. I’d also be fine bringing my own backup solution and Adobe just syncing the Smart Previews, or allowing local access via iPadOS (again assuming that’s possible, since the implementation is still fairly limited in iPadOS, I get that’s an Apple issue and Adobe hasn’t even had that option until now).

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@Victoria Bampton (I don't know why this forum system is so archaic that it can't handle replying directly to a comment from a desktop browser, yet can from a phone, but hey, that's another story)

They want to use the "cloud app" because it's the only one available on phones and ipad to pass files on to desktopthreesixty literally listed their phone and ipad as devices they work across. Obviously, that means that if they want any form of Lightroom on those devices, it has to be Lightroom CC and of course if we want to sync any data between devices then we have to do so through the cloud. The problem then comes that we don't want to sync all our data every time.
This really is not a hard concept to follow and it bothers me greatly that people claiming to be experienced experts with Lightroom, let alone the designers themselves, are overlooking this kind of basic functionality.

- People want to use Lightroom across multiple devices, whether that's CC or Classic.
- People want to be able to sync some files—some, not all—between those devices.
- People want to be able to choose when their files sync, without having to awkwardly turn auto-sync on and off over and over.

It's a really straight-forward problem with a very straight-forward solution. Offer auto-sync as one option and manual sync as a second with a single button press, so we can choose whether we want all things to sync at all times or whether we want to sync only when we say. Then offer two more options: sync all or select which files to sync. Again, not hard. This is no different to moving individual files around in Lightroom Classic. How many of us have imported a whole bunch of photos off a memory card and only wanted to export a handful? Imagine if Lightroom insisted you had to export every file every time. That  is, essentially, what the current auto-sync does.

And yes, as Jon Anscher points out, it doesn't help that Adobe's cloud pricing is well above what other companies offer and that if someone did want to copy everything to a cloud system then they probably wouldn't want to use Adobe anyway, at least at the current pricing.

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Sebastian, I'm asking because this is thread is tagged as a LR Desktop (aka CC desktop) thread, and many of the requests in this thread are for LR Desktop to do selective sync.

Lightroom Classic already has selective sync with the cloud (albeit more limited than we'd like) and is designed for large quantities of photos, so I'm asking questions to clearly understand the specific reasons people want LR Desktop for selective sync, rather than Classic. There are valid reasons for doing so, but there's also a lot of misunderstandings.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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There don't seem to be any "misunderstandings" other than yourself not being able to get why people want 1) uniformity across application versions and 2) file syncing which is actually user-friendly. This really isn't complicated and doesn't need questioning; these are the sorts of design points which other developers of comparable software put in from day 1.
And given that this topic was first raised two years ago, in which time the many versions of Lightroom have traded names back-and-forth, I don't think it's much surprise that people may want to include versions of Lightroom in the topic other than the one explicitly tagged years ago; especially when, as pointed out already, some platforms have limited options as to which version of the software they can use and so we're expected to use all of them together anyway. (After all, using Lightroom's built-in syncing inherently implies you're trying to keep files consistent across multiple different devices, as syncing if you only use one version of Lightroom on one single device is pretty pointless; again, as Jon Anscher highlighted, if you're going to do that you may as well save money and backup to any other cloud storage service instead.)

I appreciate not everyone works/has worked in software development and/or plain isn't as deep into these things as some of us, but there's no need to be patronising. This is an extremely straight-forward topic and request.

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I think that Adobe addresses this issue just fine on the desktop. If you don't want or need syncing, use the classic version. In terms of the phone app, however, I would imagine that most people would not want syncing for a number of reasons. I did not notice that somehow this thread got a 'desktop' tag. It didn't start that way, so, as you say, the thread seems to have blossomed at some point. And my comments have been completely inapplicable to the desktop software. I just want to be able to use LR to organize pictures on the phone without putting all of my personal photos on the cloud. It seemed to me that that was an extremely straight-forward topic and request, but somehow it seems to have morphed into something much bigger and more complicated. Sigh ...

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I think users have some use cases, which have been shared here and elsewhere throughout these forums. Adobe has already said they are not making any further changes to the sync functionality of Lightroom Classic, so some of us are hoping Lr CC Desktop might someday meet our syncing needs. And honestly, most probably don’t care about Lr Classic vs. Lr Desktop. Either one could meet the need if it were adjusted in one way or another.

I actually don’t think this is going to happen. So personally, I continue to remind Adobe of this use case. But I anticipate in the end, someone else will offer a solution to that use case and I’ll end up leaving Lightroom. Alas.

That said, personally, sync or no sync, all I really want is complete access to my photos on my iPad. It could be a new Lightroom Classic companion app that accesses my Lr Classic library off an external drive, for all I care. I just have this really cool and really powerful device, and I’d like to use it in something other than fringe cases :-P.

All that said, Victoria has always been nothing but helpful, and I’m sure she had no intention to make light of any of your use cases. In fact, she’s agreed with the desire for better syncing with Lr Classic in the past.

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I apologize if you felt I appeared patronizing Sebastian, that is never my intention. 

There's a lot of different levels of understanding in this thread, and when people have only posted once or twice, it's impossible to know how much experience they already have. 

As you note, this thread has indeed gone in multiple different directions over the course of the last couple of years. There's multiple different requests and needs in this thread now. 

Many photographers asking for features in LR Cloudy don't realize that they can already accomplish their intended task using LR Classic workflows. That doesn't take away from the longer term feature request, but at least solves some issues in the meantime.

An explanation of people's workflows does impact on the feature request itself, for example, Adobe may decide that they don't want to add selective sync to Cloudy but with enough votes, they might change their mind on not improving Classic sync. Or requests on Classic sync improvements may turn into a Cloudy improvement that would answer the same need. That's why I ask for specifics.

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Hi Victoria - sorry for the late reply.

Work is always super busy and there’s very little time to be on forums.

Easy answer to your question, though Sebastian got the essence of it.

Adobe’s dev direction right now is Lightroom CC (Cloud)/Lightroom Mobile.

Which is fine — our work does demand a fully mobile-cloud integrated workflow and all the benefits that go with it, details of which I won’t bore everyone with here. 

But mandatory “all-cloud all-the-time” is a pretty klunky and rudimentary approach to cloud mobile integration and will make Lightroom CC an absolute non-starter for many professionals — including us.

Selective upstream sync is essential for us — and this issue has been noted by many working and teaching professionals in the field.

As you note, Lr Classic does have some upstream sync control — though there are significant gaps, and the interface is.... well ...(awkward silence).

With Lr CC/Mobile being Adobe’s current direction, don’t be surprised if that situation doesn’t improve much before the inevitable retirement of Classic at some time in the future.

Adobe may indeed make changes as they go (and robust community discussion is an important part of that process). Effortless and fluid selective sync is one of a number of features to enhance user control that will determine if we adopt it over other solutions.

Cheers

T.

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Very well put threesixty. The only thing I would like to add is that ‘selective downstream sync’ (ie cloud to physical storage) is also of fundamental importance to my workflow and practices. The ‘all or nothing’ approach has broken an otherwise robust functionality in forcing a choice between 2 fantastic functions and operational benefits, ie the use of mobile/remote editing/display of Classic locally stored images with CC, OR cloud storage.

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I'm late to this thread but completely agree with Peter.  I use cloud storage as my PRIMARY storage, but occasionally need Lightroom Classic functionality and plugins that do not exist in Lightroom (cloud).  Right now, the only way to sync one photo DOWN to the desktop is to sync ALL photos from the cloud, which for me is tens of thousands of files.  I only occasionally want a handful of photos/files.

I can export to a compressed format and then manually import into classic, but then I'm not working on a raw file any longer.  I can download the original raw file, but then I don't get the metadata for edits made in Lightroom (maybe there's a way to do this?)

If you want Lightroom and Lightroom classic to interact, the entire process is based on the premise that you keep 100% of your photos on local storage and the cloud is just a nice way to see photos on your phone.  That feels completely backwards to me.

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Until you get your wish, try export as Original + Settings and then import that file into Classic.

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Thanks Victoria, this is a good suggestion when working with a single, or small number of images. However I am still hopeful the developers can recognise the need to download/sync a defined selection of many images to work on and use in the desktop application and modules.