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Mon, Oct 23, 2017 11:24 PM

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Lightroom Desktop: Please add red eye removal

Surprised there is no red eye removal (that I can find) in the new Lightroom CC. Am I just missing something?

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2 y ago

Hi everyone, thanks for all the feedback.  We do intend to implement a red-eye removal feature in Lightroom at some point in the future.  We do not yet have a specific release date planned.

Thanks,
Ben

11/11/2020
Ben has added additional comments in this post below: 
Rikk

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120 Points

Hi Benjamin. Red eye reduction is a basic feature. The fact that ANY Adobe editing system doesn't have it is STUPID. I'm sure this isn't your decision, but please make sure that Adobe GETS a "specific release date planned." May I inform Adobe that I "intend" to pay them, but that I "do not have a specific payment date planned"? No--I may not. 

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Funny that in an interview during the Adobe Max / Photoshop launch with the press, Adobe's Scott Belsky (I think?) the chief product officer, after explaining why Photoshop for the iPad is missing so many features, said when asked about Lightroom versus Lightroom CC that at this point Lightroom CC has all the same features are classic Lightroom.
Nice of him to ignore details like this. I guess at the corporate stratosphere level, they are being told by underlings that "feature parity has been achieved" without challenging the details.
I wish I had the link to the article, sorry but I didn't save it.

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566 Points

Ben, it’s just not good enough to be so vague , can we at least have a target release date?

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Target release date : LR Mobile, Ipad LR, LR Desktop, LR Web

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Wow, it is hard to believe that such a basic, common feature is such a challenge to deliver. Why is this so difficult for Adobe? Feels like no one is listening to a simple feature request from customers.

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60 Points

HI Ben
This is crazy long time for a common used feature, I hate having to swap between software to do red eye. I just renewed my subscription, we will have to start voting with our wallets if this goes on much longer.... can this be escalated up the chain to get some action.

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@benjamin_warde That is totally pathetic.  There must be a business reason (hoping to get folks to subscribe to Photoshop?) that explains the intransigence to adding such a basic tool.  Time to come clean and actually make customers the priority.

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@Brandt Sakakeeny

 Your comment is rather pathetic too. Instead of stamping your feet and screaming like a 3 year old, why don't you just turn off the on board flash on your camera or learn more about how to edit photos? Real photogs don't use flash that can cause red eye...

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Real photogs don't use flash that can cause red eye...

Indeed, if red eye in lots of shots are your problem, your problem is needing to learn basic photography. But one can remove a great deal of red eye anyway, using spot correction on the eye with negative saturation etc. I'd provide an example but don't capture images with red eye, but one can see the effect using such a correction on something red. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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The issue is fixing scanned photos that were taken in 1990s, not natively taken photos today.  And the reality is I've got a hundred other hobbies that take precedence over this; I need an easy fix and Aperture was an easy fix, and I'm still mad about being forced to transfer to a far inferior platform.

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Don't judge people who use Iphones etc not "real" kit.

I've had iPhone's for years, just got the 12Pro. I know how to turn OFF the flash, do you? 

I provided a way to remove red eye in LR. Better yet, keep this in mind: GIGO:Garbage In Garbage Out 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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Re: my point to DGrainger, this is not about taking pictures today; it's about an easy fix for scanned photos from the 1990s that do have red-eye. That said, I don't disagree with Martyn's point (which I am paraphrasing) that effective software solves problems quickly and easily.  Many of us have lives far too busy for a work-around.

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I provided an easy fix. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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I also suggest that the poster should learn how to use Photoshop, which DOES have redeye removal.

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@benjamin_warde  Hi ben

This has been requested for 3 years. It was marked as being under consideration. 14 months ago ago you said it would be done at some point in the future? Implying some reasonable point in the future. I don't understand why you have not updated the community? Is this function coming or not? While I accept the advice of my learned community members that flashes can be switched off, my kids often don't and then are sooo disappointed. Or is this just some crazy way to get us all to buy photoshop as well??

Please respond

Thanks

Martyn 

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@martyn_williams_jd0oga3s57gp6: "Or is this just some crazy way to get us all to buy photoshop as well??"

It is NOT all about you. These products are extremely complex, and decisions have to be made about prioritizing what are the most and what are the least urgent changes, and also a cost vs benefit consideration. In the greater population of users, what percentage are sitting around on a puckered sphincter, full of angst about Red Eye, especially when there are ways to deal with it already?

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It was marked as being under consideration.

Seems that after three years, the consideration has been made, no? 

Made sometime in the future? Perhaps, the future still exists. 

In the meantime, there are ways to reduce red eye in LR; maybe you should try it? 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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ok. last post then I will shut up about this for another year. 

1) It took two years of lobbying to get this "under consideration"

2) The product was labelled as being "the same" as the old classic version. We were sold something that did not do what the classic version did, and surprise surprise, Adobe was disingenuous about this. That's a wrong that should be righted. 

3) Don't patronise us - "products are complex" Adobe has a market cap of $240 bn. They can work this stuff out, and resource it. 

4) "In the greater population of users, what percentage are sitting around on a puckered sphincter, full of angst about Red Eye," - actually I skipped thru the topics, and this is one of the most popular on the cloud community. Very few topics get close. Even including the ones complaining about duff rollouts. I don't know what % of course, but it is a higher % than any other topic, and it should be fixed. You should not claim a product has the same features when it doesn't that is plain wrong.

So over to you Ben? 

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So, you say that management decisions should be based on the amount of clamor by visitors to one forum, comprised of users from cell phone toting teens on up to those that have taken the time to study, rather than by actual research?  We are not voters in the inner city in this process!

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@martyn_williams_jd0oga3s57gp6  " Adobe has a market cap of $240 bn. They can work this stuff out, and resource it. "

Market cap has nothing to do with the underlying company. Market capitalization is simply the number of shares outstanding multiplied by the current market share price; it has zero to do with the finances of the company. Market cap is NOT the same as Net Worth.

No corporation "has the money" represented by shares which are HELD BY INVESTORS not the company itself. The only time a corporation receives cash is when the shares are initially issued. From there on,share price/value devolves upon holders of those shares.

Gosh, hope that helps you a bit!

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The assumption based on my question is that I'm not a real photographer, or I don't know how to use Photoshop. I was a devoted student of Bruce Fraser's "Real World" books, and followed him (and Andrew, the Digital Dog) on color color management forums in the early 2000's, before Bruce's untimely passing. I've had some practice in the subject of color correction, but time moves on and I value easy features more and more the older I get. I was simply looking for a feature that exists in prior versions of Lightroom, and was scratching my head as to why I couldn't find it.

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Fair comment again, and while I apologise to DGrainger for using Market Cap'n as a proxy for value (which it is - the markets view of future cash flows / discount rate) . Market value is a function of EBITDA.

I may have chosen to use $4bn of EBITDA adobe squirrelled away from licence payers like us in 2019. I think customers warrant care and like for like products, irrespective of the platform. It doesn't do what we were told it would on the tin. That's why users/customers/licence payers/ebitda makers/shareholder enricheners i.e. us,  are aggrieved. 

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Not overly wanting to inject myself into a very heated discussion... But I think this is quite a common feeling in general with the overall move in the software industry to needing end users to pay ongoing subscription fees to use software.

Previously Adobe and other software developers would release a new version of their software, and it would have new features that you would decide whether or not to pay for. So they were directly incentivised to deliver new features which customers would willingly pay big dollars for. Then the cycle would continue - this cycle basically funded the company (obviously along with winning new customers).

Nowadays with subscription-based software, the direct incentive for offering new features existing customers are crying out for is not as apparent. Obviously they need to keep ahead of the competition (which in Adobe's case is unfortunately almost non-existent), but the direct correlation of upgrade versions to income is sadly gone.

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@nick_jensen  Software as a service, SAAS, has an interesting history. It has been driven by Apple, with their App Store offerings at extremely low prices, albeit not as complex programs as Photoshop or Lightroom.  The gap between license-purchase versions of Photoshop and Apps on the App Store was so huge that many people would not buy a license. Public perception of that gap drove a large number of software makers to follow Apple's lead in order to stay competitive, by using SAAS subscriptions. The list price of Photoshop 1.0 for Macintosh in 1990 was $895.! Over the years, I paid thousands for updated versions, so I was very glad to see the switch to subscription.

A downside to using SAAS is that that a flood of new users, able to pay $10 or $20 a month but not able to spring for many hundreds up front and also have to buy updates, introduced a new problem for companies: these newly attracted users were far less likely to have the training or interest in learning required to make effective use of such products. Admittedly there is a huge learning curve to be overcome, and folks who just want to fix redeye for example are less likely to make the effort to gain that knowledge. Therefore the cost of customer support rises considerably.

The Up side for adopting SAAS, is twofold: paradoxically upside IS that expansion of TAM, Total Addressable Market which lower cash outlay affords. The second and more important PLUS is that it smooths out and makes more forecast-able, cash flow which in turn makes it possible to do ongoing development R&D and to avoid "crisis financial management" for Treasurer of the company.

As to your comment "Obviously they need to keep ahead of the competition (which in Adobe's case is unfortunately almost non-existent)"  Adobe is the market leader, but in order to maintain that lead, there must be and is constant refinement of product. It is just that the requests and suggestions for change are numerous, sometimes in conflict, and must be triaged, as not everything everybody wants is practical or makes sense.

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Hello everyone, what a lively thread we have going here!  Regrettably, I have no update to share beyond what I posted previously - we are still planning to add this feature at some point in the future, and I still don't have a specific date to share.

I know how frustrating it is when our own pet features that we can't live without aren't prioritized.  (My own is range masking - I'm still really missing that from Lightroom Classic.)  As others have mentioned, of course we need to prioritize our feature development, and we take a great many factors into account when doing that prioritization.  One of those factors is the feedback that we receive from customers such as yourselves in venues such as this, and we are very grateful for it, so thank you for taking the time.

One side note: suggestions that Adobe has been disingenuous, or somehow deceitful are very concerning.  Neither Adobe nor our customers are well served by anything less than completely accurate and honest communication.  If you can find anywhere on Adobe's site that claims that Lightroom and Lightroom Classic are "the same" please let me know and I will have it removed.  We have a great deal of information available on our site about the differences between the two products both at a high level and in great detail.

Thanks,

Ben

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Here is another vote for adding this essential tool. Actually, I cannot believe that it is very hard to add it for Adobe, so maybe it is just a matter of priorities. Thank you for reconsidering.

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I am going to add my void to this voice to this thread on the lack of a red eye removal tool.  It is a basic feature in almost any photo editing software package I have used for many years.  I see examples on the web where folks can do this in Lightroom Classic but now we are unable to purchase classic  now because Adobe wants to force us to subscription model.  I am new to Lightroom and this seems like a basic feature not to have available.  Seems like a simple thing to add to the healing tool set.  You have the basic software to do this in previous tools. I am dubious about subscription models to begin with.  If I don't see a red eye removal tool in the future, I will probably drop Lightroom and move onto something else.  I would not have purchased Lightroom in the first place if I knew it was missing this feature.  I am going to write a review in the App Store to indicate this.  Thanks for listening. 

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4 y ago

No. Unfortunately, there isn’t yet.

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86 Points

People need to know, that something as basic as red eye removal really doesn’t exist in Lightroom CC. I was researching a good option for photo organizing and editing. I really could not imagine that this really wasn’t included in a subscription service. Most free services offer this feature.

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4 y ago

You're not missing a thing, it didn't make the cut for 1.0. I've just switched your post to a feature request though.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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154 Points

The red eye removal tool is necessary and should be brought back fast. I want to be able to continue to use Lightroom CC.

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130 Points

100% agree. I think it's silly to both change the format of Classic to CC AND remove features...

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They didn't Timothy. Classic remains the same as it always did. CC is a brand new app for a new audience.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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154 Points

Still needs the basic functions that are used most. Red eye, pet eye and printing.

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182 Points

Wow, Adobe, just wow. Your arrogance and bone-headed, horrible decisions just keep stacking up. You need to be listening to your users, not your developers.

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This post is from ONE YEAR AGO - and the Red Eye Removal Tool hasn't been added back!  What is the roadmap for features to be re-added to acheive parity with Lightroom 6.0?   Especially Red Eye Removal and HDR processing?

Thanks.

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100 Points

Agreed! Red eye's been around for awhile now and is probably one of the most common edits. Just don't see any reason to not have it.

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As a new convert to Lightroom CC and Photoshop CC, having used Imac Photos editing up till now, I am bemused at the lack of red-eye removal tool. It may be the case that the majority of photographers who use this software are so competent that they never have an issue with red-eye. I am not in this category sadly and need red-eye removal support. If it is included in the free Photos Mac app, then why is it not included in the monthly subscription LightroomCC? 

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62 Points

I fully agree with the posts in this thread... I am also a new convert to Adobe Lightroom from Mac Photos.. and decided to go for Lightroom's Cloud version. I am rather puzzled as to why it doesnt support red eye reduction - which is as mentioned here part of so many free and more simple photo apps out there..  Please make this a priority as it is one of the most common edits we make..

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There is a red eye removal tool in Photoshop!

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358 Points

3 y ago

Please add red eye removal

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3 y ago

No red eye removal tool?   Ugh.  May need to cancel my subscription until lightroom CC is ready for prime time.  Seems like a very basic (I mean even the free photo app on my phone can fix red eye) photo tool to ommit.

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130 Points

Agree, was there any logic to this decision????

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154 Points

Agree!!

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60 Points

Triple agree! Assign Adobe an error on this one....

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I agree!

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72 Points

I am dismayed that you had red eye removal in Classic, but not in your newest, bestest, (and only one available now) LR.  Please add this function.  All my other editing programs had it!!  This really is ridiculous.

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Please note that Lightroom Classic is being actively developed, with new releases all the time, and is still very much available: https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom-classic.html

-Ben

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@benjaminwarde Lightroom Classic is not available with the Lightroom (1 TB) plan. You either have to switch to the Photography (20 GB) plan and lose most of your your Cloud Storage or pay $10 more per month for the Photography (1 TB) plan. I don’t see any reason why Red Eye removal should be a “premium” feature excluded from Lightroom CC. After all, we gave up our Photoshop license to get the greater cloud storage.

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Hi Clinton, 1) it is a pity that Adobe does not make clear how to best use LR Classic together with LR CC cloud. A typical Classic user is storing all the pictures locally and if using the Cloud all synced pictures are there as smart previews without any storage limit. The 20 GB limit is only for Originals. Both versions, Classic and Cloud are not designed to work together when you store the pictures in the cloud. 2) I hope that Adobe will implement a much better red eye removal method than used in PS Elements 2020, because replacing red with black results often in more ugly pictures. 
I personally do not need this red eyes removal tool, because I am not using Flash directly on my camera and have switched it of on my smartphone. Let us wait and see what Adobe is doing and hope the best.
:-)
Peter

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@PeterObermeier I don't used Red Eye Removal very often, but it's a feature that is in Lightroom Classic, thus I feel it should be in Lightroom CC.  I completely agree, Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC do not pair well together.  Lightroom CC's strength lies in its ability to push and pull original RAW files to/from the cloud with ease.  It's a great tool for those of use that edit on both tablets and desktops without the need to large internal or external drives.  Lightroom Classic only pushes Smart Previews to the cloud, but allows for total file management control on your desktop.  Tablet editors like me will appreciate Lightroom CC while Desktop/Laptop editors will likely favor Lightroom Classic.  That's fine if Adobe wants to offer two flavors, but Lightroom CC should be as feature rich and capable as Lightroom Classic.

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> That's fine if Adobe wants to offer two flavors, but Lightroom CC should be as feature rich and capable as Lightroom Classic.

And it will be someday, but it's much earlier in its development. This is certainly a very good feature request, it just hasn't made it to the top of the priority list yet.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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What a patronising smug comment. When we all bought CC much was made of the editing suite and comparable functionality to the original product. This was a lie. We pay for an incomplete inadequate product that is supposed to work well in a mobile first environment and yet does not have THE MOST BASIC EDITING TOOL THAT MOST CUSTOMERS WOULD USE ON THEIR IPHONE!!
yet everyone else’s service has red eye built in. What is more of a priority?! 2 years of bullshit. If this isn’t a priority someone needs to get their head out of their arse and listen to their customers!!

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Hi Martyn, you misunderstand LR CC. It is a PRO Tool and only amateurs take pictures with red eyes.
What do you think? ( I expect capital letters)
;-)
Peter

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I'm sorry if you felt that was patronizing Martyn, it was not meant in that way. It's purely a fact, the cloud-based version was only released on the desktop 2 years ago, whereas Lightroom Classic was released 13 years ago. As a result, there will naturally be a vast difference in the number of features available. 

As far as editing features goes, the young Cloudy version has caught up quickly. It has almost all of the editing features, but it is still missing a few, including red eye removal. 

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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120 Points

3 y ago

It does seem that Lightroom CC has been rushed out.  Red-eye removal is fairly basic editing, and is essential... It also doesn't seem to be able to copy a particular image's adjustments and apply to multiple images.  It can only do one, regardless of whether a group is selected to apply the changes to.  Finally, I have been frustrated that there is no slideshow option for Lightroom CC.

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120 Points

3 y ago

Pourquoi LR CC ne corrige pas les yeux rouges? C'est un non sens !!!

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76 Points

Entièrement d'accord!

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294 Points

3 y ago

Please add red-eye removal.  Maybe pet-eye while you're at it.

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120 Points

3 y ago

C'est pour quand les yeux rouges ?

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82 Points

3 y ago

Please add red eye removal to Lightroom CC!!

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286 Points

3 y ago

Please add red eye removal, and other basic features like virtual copies and renaming.

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120 Points

3 y ago

Comment Adobe peut-il mettre en ligne un produit aussi mal conçu et incomplet. C'est incompréhensible. De plus, ils ne tiennent pas compte des centaines de remarques faites par les utilisateurs et ne leur répondent même pas.  Pourquoi une telle impolitesse?

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Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

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3 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Red Eye Correction Still Missing After a Year.

This may sound a little contrite ... but you design some kind of grid overlay before you upgrade functionality like red eye reductions. Please address the timeline  for when this feature will be added to Lightroom CC. Those of us who pay a monthly fee to use your product deserve a timeline of when these basic features will be added to the online version of your product. Thanks.   

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3 y ago

Dear Adobe:  Do you have any updates on a timeline for red eye removal in Lightroom CC?  I’m really trying to embrace Lightroom on my mobile platforms, but red eye removal is an essential part of the toolkit - especially on the mobile format where most flashes are straight on from the lens. 

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A very small tip while waiting for Adobe to add it - try using the Adjustment Brush or a very small Radial Filter to desaturate the red eye area. You'll just need to zoom in to make it small enough.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Thanks!

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If it helps anyone still looking for this 2+ years later.. This tip works.. but it is hard to pull off on a computer... very easy on a tablet though.. it gives you a circle.. you make it the size of the redeye exactly.. then... pull all the color saturation out...

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82 Points

3 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Red eyes.

I don't know hot to remove the red eyes in the photo