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Mon, Jan 15, 2018 8:07 PM

Lightroom CC: My editing is IGNORED if I apply a Preset

I use the new Lightroom CC with lots of presets.
Here's what happens: I usually do some editing on a photo, modify the temperature, exposure, highlights and so on. Then I select a preset, expecting the preset to work on the photo as it looks right then and there, with all the previous editing. Nope. All those changes are ignored, and the preset considers the original photo, WITHOUT all the editing performed. Just as if I opened the photo and applied the preset directly. If I wanted to do that, I would do that. But if I edit the photo BEFORE applying the preset, it should be obvious that I want to keep those changes AND then apply the preset, not ignore them!

Classic Lightroom had that working. Which is obvious. How can I make Lightroom RESPECT the changes I perform on a photo before applying the preset?

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Presets replace settings - they don't add or subtract to them. 

If you set the Exposure to + 0.5 and then you apply a Preset with a +1.0 Exposure value, the new value of the preset slider should be 1.0  - not 1.5.  This is how Lightroom Classic CC (Lightroom 1-6, CC2015) have always worked. 

Can  you give an example of what you saw happen with a specific slider, a before and after value and attach a copy of the preset so we can see what you saw happen?

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When I select a preset, I expect the preset to work on the photo as it looks right then and there, with all the previous editing.

Yeah, the preset will replace the settings, I know that. But I want them to work on the photo as it looks right then and there, instead of the way it looked originally.

If I open a photo, all values are at zero. Light, Color... they're all at zero. If I were to select a preset there, then the preset is applied to the original photo, without any previous editing. HOWEVER, if I edit the photo first and then apply the preset, the result is the same. That wasn't the case in the old Lightroom.

In the old Lightroom, if I wanted to increase the saturation of the orange color and lower the highlights BEFORE applying the preset, it would respect those changes and then apply the preset. In the new Lightroom, if I do the same thing, all those previous changes are ignored.

The way I was able to do things in the old Lightroom was to move the Contrast slider all the way to the right. That would let me know how bad would my preset affect the image. For instance, making some areas too dark. So, knowing that, I would edit the photo to counteract that darkness. And then, I would choose one of the presets, and my photo would be ready. That worked in Lightroom Classic.
However, in the new Lightroom CC, it doesn't care what adjustments I make before applying the preset. It ignores them and applies the preset without considering them.

So what I have to do is to edit the image first, then sync it to my iPhone and download the image there. Delete the image I worked on. Upload the edited photo I downloaded and then add the preset to that image. It's annoying.

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When you create a preset in Classic, you could uncheck some of the boxes so it only adjusted certain sliders. In CC, you don't have that option, so new presets created in CC adjusts all sliders.

So presets created in CC will adjust all sliders, overwriting existing edits. Presets created in Classic will depend on which options were checked when it was created.

So the question is, where are you creating these presets, or where are they coming from?

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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Hello. I bought those presets. The presets work fine.
Lightroom Classic RESPECTS whatever slider adjustment I do before applying the preset. Lightroom CC IGNORES whatever slider adjustment I do before applying the preset.

Open the same image on Classic and on CC.
Without doing anything else, apply a preset. The result is the same in both versions.
Now, return the image to its original setting.
Then, manually adjust several sliders. Increase exposure, reduce highlights, increase vibrance, etc. Do the same thing on Classic and on CC.
Finally, apply the preset again to both images.
The result is completely different. Classic RESPECTS the manual adjustments you made while CC IGNORES the manual adjustments you made.

Is my question / complain understandable now? I can't believe no one else has noticed this.

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See my original post: "...and attach a copy of the preset so we can see what you saw happen"?  WIthout your preset, we have no way to diagnose the issue. There may be something specific to the preset which we need in order to duplicate the behavior you are seeing. 

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It happens with each one of my presets. VSCO presets for Lightroom. I have more than a hundred. So you're telling me that you do exactly what I said, with any other preset, and the image is the same in Classic and in CC?

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I do not use VSCO presets and since you didn't include one  here, I can only speculate  - I cannot do exactly what you said.

As a test, instead of applying a VSCO preset, use one of the Lightroom Default Presets or one you've created on your own - not related to VSCO. If it behaves properly, then the issue must be with VSCO presets which can be constructed quite differently and often involve camera profiles as part of the effect. 

I just reviewed VSCO's website and they claim compatibility with Lightroom 4,5,6, CC2015 versions of Lightroom. They do not mention compatibility with Lightroom CC or Lightroom Classic CC at this time. It might be worth dropping a note to VSCO if the test above bears out what I am thinking. 

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Hello, Rikk. Alright, an update on this case: I found it weird that no one had the same issue I had and no one else was complaining about it. I contacted Adobe Support, and after a long conversation, they told me that what I wanted to do could be done in Classic, but it wasn't yet available in CC.

So, I decided I would still use Lightroom CC for most of my work, and if I found myself stuck with a photo where I needed to apply changes before the preset, I would then just switch to Classic.

And when I opened Classic, it told me there was an update available. I went to the Creative Cloud window or whatever that's called to update, and it also said there was an update available for CC. I downloaded both.

Now, the issue seems to be fixed! I haven't done anything else, I'm using the same presets, the same way I've always used them, just like in Classic, but now it works the way I expect them to work.

I don't recall updating Lightroom CC, so maybe I had one of the earliest versions available. I don't know which one now, but I can say that in the current version, it works just like it worked in Classic, so issue resolved.

Thanks for your help!