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Tue, Jul 31, 2018 6:00 PM

Lightroom CC: Missing lens profile for Canon 85mm F1.8

I am using a Canon 85mm F1.8 USM lens on a Olympus EM1 ii with a Viltrox speedbooster. In BridgeCC I can open using camera rawCC and find the lens profile. However, when I use LightroomCC, the profile cannot be found. How can the profile be added?

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2 years ago

Hello,

The profile should be available in LrCC if you have a version that is up-to-date with the version of Camera Raw on the same system. So, first be sure your copy of LrCC is current.

Failing that, post a link to a sample raw and I can confirm whether I can reproduce the issue here.

Regards,

- Chris

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2 years ago

Hi Chris, thanks for the reply. I subscribe to the Lightroom ClassicCC/PhotoshopCC/BridgeCC and Camera Raw which are all updated automatically. No updates are currently available so I assume I've got the latest versions.

The raw files are Olympus .ORF. When I open using camera raw from Bridge there is an 'i' at the bottom of the edit pane which says a built-in lens profile has been applied, also detailing the lens, ie 85mm F1.8. I can also see this profile if I tick 'enable profile corrections'.

In LightroomCC the 'i' at bottom of lens profile pane says that a profile has been applied in camera without detail of the lens. If I tick 'enable profile corrections' I cannot see the lens in the list.

Perhaps I am assuming wrongly that the profile has not been added. Perhaps LightroomCC does not give the option if it knows the correct profile is there already and doesn't advertise the profile in the list. Is that right? In which case LightroomCC is smarter than BridgeCC and I'm barking up the wrong tree!

I can send you a sample file for you to try if you want to pursue this. Otherwise I'm happy to use Bridge anyway.

Thanks for the prompt reply

Chris Simmonds

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2 years ago

Hi Chris,

Thank you for clarifying the versions you have.

Generally, Micro Four Thirds cameras have built-in lens corrections for native lenses, but in your case there should be no automatic corrections, unless the camera is applying a correction because it assumes a different lens is attached.

As far as I know, Lightroom CC should behave the same as Camera Raw in this scenario, so if you are willing to share a sample raw, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

- Chris

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2 years ago

Hi Chris, have you an email address I can send an example that was taken today, thanks

Chris Simmonds

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Hi Chris,

Thank you for sharing the image.

On my system (Mac), I can locate the external lens profile manually for both Camera Raw (in Bridge or Photoshop) and using Lightroom CC (Manually select a profile...> Make> Canon> Model> 85mm f/1.8 USM). 

The built-in lens profile for this image is for correcting lateral chromatic aberration only.

The external profile will not automatically match in either application due to some inconsistent metadata the lens adapter is likely communicating to the camera. Lens profiles require some key EXIF metadata to facilitate a match, either automatically or when selecting the lens Make.

For example, the lens name I see in the EXIF metadata is ".7EF85mm f/1.8 USM" which is partially correct. The profile expects it to be "EF85mm f/1.8 USM". The focal length is also incorrect in EXIF, as is the maximum aperture. This is a somewhat common scenario with third party adapters.

The simplest method of making the match work for you is to select it manually once, and then set a new Lens Profile Default. This provides a hint to the profile matching logic when the same camera/lens combination is encountered again. Unfortunately, this only works in Camera Raw and Lightroom Classic CC. 

Hope this helps.

Regards,

- Chris


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Ok thanks, but, and it's a big but. I have a Canon 200D which I have just tried out the 85mm lens on and taken a raw picture with the profile for that lens inbuilt in the camera, enabled. Sure enough, in LightroomCC, when I select the box to enable lens profile it picks up from the camera that I am using the 85mm F1.8, even though the profile does NOT appear in the lens profile list.

I then disabled the lens profiling inbuilt into the 200D and took a raw picture. When selecting to apply a lens profile, a default profile of the canon 70-200mm F2.8 appears to be selected. If I attempt to change this the list that comes up does not have the profile of the  85mm F1.8 in it.

BridgeCC does have it and applies it when I select it but LightroomCC cannot. The profile is picked up automatically in Bridge and the profile of the lens appears in the list. The list is nowhere as comprehensive in LIghtroomCC as it is in BridgeCC/camera raw

You are using Apple Macs, I am using Windows 10. I am sending you the file from my Canon 200D with the inbuilt profiling turned off.

All the best

Chris

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It seems there is a discrepancy in the available lens profiles of lightroomCC and BridgeCC even though they are supposedly using the same camera raw. 

Also the Canon file I sent you was a .DNG file which indicates the problem is not within the files themselves.

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It's possible there is a difference in the sets of profiles since Camera Raw (in Bridge and Photoshop) use a shared set of lens and camera profiles, while Lightroom uses a set that is stored in a separate location.

The Camera Raw engine in Lightroom can be a different version than the Camera Raw plugin, so please confirm the following. 

Which version of Camera Raw is running on your system?

For reference, mine is Camera Raw 10.4 (June 2018 release).

Which version of Lightroom CC do you have?

I am running Lightroom CC 1.4 (June 2018 release).

Also, are you running on Windows or Mac?

Thanks!

- Chris

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Sorry, Chris. I missed your initial response regarding the raw images with in-camera lens corrections on vs. off. Please send me an example of both. This should not affect raw files either way. However, so far I am unable to reproduce the behavior you describe, so having an example of each (either DNG or CR2 is fine) will help narrow it down.

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Hi Chris

My software versions are as follows
ACR 10.4
BridgeCC 8.1
Lightroom ClassicCC 7.4
PhotoshopCC 19.1.5

I am running a windows 10 
Version 1803
OS Build 17134.165

I'll send you the raw files requested.

Chris Simmonds

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Whether this is significant or not, when I look for a lens profile in Lightroom ClassicCC, in my list of Canon lenses there are no telephoto lenses listed at all, the 85mm F1.8 being the first that's missing.

In ACR initiated from BridgeCC, the whole gamut of Canon telephoto lenses are present in the list, from the 85mm lenses up to the 800mm.

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I see the same set of profiles in Lightroom Classic CC, Lightroom CC, and Camera Raw (versions 7.4, 1.4, and 10.4 respectively). 

Will you please confirm that in Lightroom you are working with the raw file and not a JPEG copy of it?

Profiles for raw and JPEG are completely separate and the latter has far fewer available profiles. That is the only discrepancy I can think of here unless your version of Lightroom suffered a partial/bad installation.

- Chris

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I am processing the raw files as I didn't even save a jpeg. But if you say you cannot reproduce the problem then it must be my installation in some way, though I don't see how it could be wrong. I subscribe to Adobe using the photographers package of Adobe Creative Cloud, which includes PhotoshopCC, BridgeCC, ACR, LightroomCC and Lightroom ClassicCC. Nothing else.

Are you comparing like for like or are you comparing the full blown Photoshop? Maybe the photographer package has a cut down version of LightroomClassicCC ?

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You know what, I am an idiot and I must apologise for wasting your time. When in ACR launched from BridgeCC and trying to select a profile, I get a window with the list of lens profiles available. This window is mouse scrollable.

In Lightroom Classic CC the window that appears is not scrollable, I have only just realised that I have to use the arrows to get the parts of the list that are not visible. There is actually no problem.

I apologise again for wasting everyone's time. I think I probably need some training!

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No worries. I'm happy you got it sorted.