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Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:05 PM

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Why no lens profile for the Fuji X100s?

Is there a reason that Lightroom doesn't have a lens profile for the fuji x100s?

It's been out a while now, and the old X100 profile does not work automatically with X100s images.

Would be good to get fixed.....

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7 years ago

Yes, the reason is that the X100s has a lens profile that is built-in to LR and cannot be turned off so is not visible in the list of lens profiles to select from. The profile, however, only seems to correct vignetting, not geometric distortions, because the camera, itself, does not seem to correct the geometric distortions, which are relatively minimal, and Adobe is matching what the camera does.

The older X100 camera has the same lens, but did not have an always-on profile (Adobe didn't used to make built-in profiles), and its selectable profile corrects both distortion and vignetting, so if you want distortion of your X100s raw photos corrected, then you can use the X100 profile but manually dial back the vignetting correction to 0, to avoid double-correcting the vignetting due to LR already correcting the vignetting.

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7 years ago

Thanks for the answer Steve.
It sounds like complicated stuff! I don't understand why Adobe doesn't just supply a profile that can be automatically applied when users select to do it.(as per most other lens including the older X100) so users like don't have to "second guess" or dial back items like vignetting.

Because there is no obvious sign of any sort of profile being applied this can easily be misunderstood by users who just want to have a standardized way of working; In my case I auto apply profiles on Import for whatever lens I had on the camera and its simple, but this X100s methodology is misleading, and thats a shame.

Do you know if Adobe will be rethinking this to make life simpler?

Thanks again.

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The subject of the X100 having a profile and the X100s apparently not having one came up within the last week or two, and during that lengthy discussion involving analysis of the raw files with RawDigger, Eric Chan (an Adobe CR engineer) said that they are trying to figure out a way to better communicate when a lens profile has been automatically applied all the time (as with the X100s) which they currently do not communicate for non-technical reasons.

Reading between the lines, I speculated that the issue is that Adobe has signed non-disclosure-agreements with some camera-manufacturers in return for help with processing their camera's raw files, and the agreements include the conditions that lens corrections must always be applied and that this fact cannot be disclosed for, marketing purposes, so no one will know (or it'll be hard to know) how bad the lens is.

Mirrorless cameras typically always apply lens corrections in camera to the camera JPGs and Adobe may have started always applying lens profiles to cameras without removable lenses at the time mirrorless cameras started to be supported, even though there isn't an agreement requiring them to always be applied.

It is unclear why they started doing this, perhaps out of convenience, keeping the number of external lens profiles to a minimum, or just someone new was making decisions and it made sense to them, but now that this is the situation, it is difficult to let people know which cameras have lens profiles always applied without also disclosing which ones do but must be kept secret which is legally not permitted.

One thing Adobe could do is to de-internalize the profile that don't have NDAs associated with them, but they'd also need add a way to make them on by default so people wouldn't suddenly lose the corrections that had been always on, when they originally made their adjustments. This would also satisfy your needs, assuming the X100s isn't one of the NDA cameras.

I don't have inside information nor has Eric made any further comments on the subject that I'm aware, but at least they're thinking about making things less confusing.

Here is Eric's comment within the longer discussion:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/56532...

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7 years ago

I appreciate the response Steve, thanks. Yes, hopefully Adobe will make this more of an "opt in / opt out" type procedure so at least we know what we are dealing with.

(It is especailly confusing in this case because of the different procedures around handling essentially the same lens in the X100 & X100s!!)