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Sat, Oct 21, 2017 9:12 AM

Using Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC concurrently.

Can someone please explain how best to use LR classic and LR CC Concurrently and effectively on the same computer and across multiple computers. As a longtime LR user I have a large catalog of images so both cloud storage costs and bandwidth limitations render LR CC use as fairly imited for me. Prior to the latest announcement, I would create a collection in LR classic and then sync that with LR mobile. Then I could access from my iPad or Lightroom web for some basic editing, but mostly classification and culling. But now with LR cc, those collections are being picked up. LR cc was downloading smart previews for the images into its own catalog for images that were already on the same computer, which lead me to believe that you probably shouldn’t run both concurrently. What I would like to do is have a working collection of images I can store in the cloud to work on with any platform iPad/desktop Cc or desktop classic. Once I have finished the project, migrate or configure it to just reside in LR classic. This way I can get the mobility of working with the full res images in the cloud, while managing both online storage and bandwidth concerns, plus have archive all images within a single desktop catalog at the end of the project. At the moment I’m very confused in how, if at all, the new cloud based LR can be implemented into my workflow without creating to much confusion and running both LR cc and Classic concurrently.

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3 years ago

Yeah, they're not really designed to be used together on the same computer. If you have a laptop, you might find the new CC app on there, as a "Lightroom mobile for desktops" in exactly the same way as you use the iPad one.  If you don't need/want originals in the cloud, most of your work will continue to revolve around Classic, at for the foreseeable future.

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3 years ago

I have similar issues with wanting to have only current project on the cloud so my assistant can process it and once finished I want it to be added or synced to my master catalog on my desktop. Is that possible?

Champion

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Yes, that would work. Who gets the photos first - you or your assistant?

If your assistant gets the originals, they can load into LRCC on their computer, edit, and they'll sync back down to your Classic catalog. When they're done, you can remove it from sync.

If you get the originals, you can load them into Classic, tell it to sync smart previews to the cloud, which your assistant would be able to view/edit in LRCC, then their edits would sync back to your Classic catalog. Only thing is that way your assistant would only have smaller smart previews, not full size originals.

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That sounds like a good start. I will be uploading the original images. Now I have few more questions.

1. Can my assistant do panoramas on the cloud version?
2. Can my assistant do keywording and captions on the cloud?
3. I'm on 9.99 subscription lightroom classic at the moment. Do I need to upgrade to 14.99 to be able to use both lightroom classic and lightroom cc with more than 20gb.
4.is the syncing back to the classic version from the cloud version happens instantly or you need to commit them manually.

Thank you for your time.

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1. Not yet.
2. Captions, yes. Keywords don't sync back to Classic (and yes, that's a contentious design decision!)
3. Yes, although if you're only working on one project at a time, or just syncing smart previews from Classic, you might not need more than 20GB.
4. It's automatic and fairly close to instant.

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Thank you

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I disagree with your solution for one very important reason, if the cloud syncs at all with your local storage, the db sync currently also syncs delete actions. So, unlike using light room mobile, which gave you more control, if your assistant deletes a file inadvertently, the file is deleted from your local library as well. Currently, there is no option to prevent this. If you want to keep a safe archive, you will need to download all  of your photos into a separate folder on your hard drive and not sync with that folder. Copy the "working" files into a sync folder for your assistant.

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3 years ago

Presumably, for Adobe to have decided to go the way they have, they have compelling use cases for just such requirements, they worked out the workflows to deliver them, and then they designed the s/w accordingly. That being so, it should all be pretty obvious to us.

On the other hand, it might all be complicated (bad idea), or else they created a solution looking for a problem.

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3 years ago

I try to embrace change and at least give things a go so I dived right in, flagged a few hundred pics as rejected ready to share with my partner via LR Web and what a disaster that is.  I have no idea how to sync that back to LR Professional (which I am renaming from the stupid name Classic) so I can remove these images from the LR Collection as LR Web has no option to filter out rejected photos (eh?????) as LR Social (which is what it should have been called) does not seem to work well with LR Professional at all.  They don't seem to be designed to talk to each other at all.

This Is a Total Dogs Breakfast

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In Lightroom Classic, click on the identity plate (top left) and make sure sync is enabled.

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Yep, been going back and forth between the two, re-starting each several times, toggling the sync in 'Classic' off an on.  LR Social seems to have completed it's syncing, and LR Professional (EOL) is still not doing anything...  I'm not going through that huge exercise again so I'll just have to delete them from LR Social.  This  new naming scheme really is a classic triumph of high paid consultants over reason.  What a bork up.

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Ok, so let's confirm the bottleneck. If you go to https://lightroom.adobe.com, do the flags show up there? If they did, then we know they got to the cloud ok. 

And if you sync a photo from Classic/Pro, does it show up in the cloud?

There have been a few reports of slow syncing, so I imagine the servers are getting hammered this weekend, with everyone trying it out all of a sudden. They may have underestimated how many people would jump in with both feet. So, with that theory, even if we can't get it working, I might leave them in Social/CC for the minute so your edits don't get removed from the cloud.

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No flags showed up in LR Web.  I'm not sure LR Web even shows flags (I sure can't find a filter).  Well that was a total disaster.  I ended up just deleting 260 reject-flagged images from LR Social as LR Professional (EOL) refused to pick them up no matter what I did between the two apps - so if my wife flips out I'll just have to manually drag them out of the recycle bin assuming I don't bin them first (which is why I prefer to let her go through the rejected pile if need be).  I was initially hopeful and thought well if the two work together well then I could have the best of both worlds and use the simpler streamlined interface of LR 'New' to do my bulk editing.  But it is now totally confusing where and how LR 'New' fits in with and works with LR 'Old'.

I would hazard a guess by thinking they are intentionally not meant to work together and LR 'Old' is being slowly deprecated - hence the 'Classic' name.

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Keep an eye on my blog Ian, as I'm working on a couple of "foot in both camps" blog posts for workflows that do work smoothly. They intentionally separated off the cloud-based workflow from the folder-based workflow because they're just so different, but there is a bit of overlap to dabble your feet during the early days, and I'm sure that overlap will grow further in time.

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3 years ago

Another thing I just noticed - When I created a new LR collection - the 'Sync with Mobile' option has been replaced with 'Sync with CC' - although 'Sync with Mobile' is still in the right-click options for each collection.  LR Web works really well and I don'tt have to worry about this quota thing.  If this means that all sync'd libraries now fall under this quota requiring another $120 / year I won't be happy.  These costs can really add up.

Why can't it just integrate with Dropbox storage or something as an option instead.

The Dropbox sync combined with LR Web (sync with Mobile) works great, why do I need another cloud storage option - that doesn't even have file history.

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The Sync with CC thing is just a branding thing. It just means you can still sync to mobile, but you can also now sync to LRCC on a laptop or suchlike too. Smart previews synced from Classic don't count against the 20GB quota - only originals.

I don't think they can do all their new AI stuff they're working on if they use Dropbox.

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Oh that's fine with the AI etc, I understand that.  I guess I'm just venting because the two don't (yet) seem to work well together and the 'Classic' name concerns me.  It totally messed up my LR Classic situation - I had to create a smart-filter in the end to weed out the images that were still hanging around and eventually get the collection down to a presentable state.

Hopefully it will improve over time and they will rename LR Classic as LR Professional so we don't get the wrong idea that it's being canned.

If they work well together and both are hanging around then I can see this working well.

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Yeah, I understand that Ian. Emotions are running high all round this week! I think (I hope!!!) things will look quite different when everything settles down. It's been a massive shock to everyone.