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Lightroom: Support for Sony stacks in bust mode

The Sony cameras stack burst images together. It would be good to have the ability to inherit those stacks into LR when importing images.

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a year ago

In LR Classic, after importing, you could select all the imported photos and do Photo > Stacking > Auto-Stack By Capture Time.

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a year ago

I know, I know ;-)

It’s already a very good feature, for HDR and pianos, but hugely lacks precision when you shoot at 8 or 10 fps. Burst are often about 1s, sometimes more, but frequently less.

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a year ago

Can you say more about how Auto Stack doesn't work for you? That will make it clearer to Adobe what you'd like to see changed.

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Auto stacking was a great tool when burst rate wasn’t as high as today and suited for cases where burst were shots with a higher timeframe in between each bust, like when taking a pano, hdr or occasional burst sequence.

It is, however, pretty useless for sports, wildlife or any other action photography, where busts can be of a fraction of a second and also fraction of seconds apart from each other. It’s really not rare to take burts of 3 to 5 images at 10 fps every half second or so. Good luck to stack them using auto stack.

So my suggestion was pretty clear: stack images together as Sony stacks them while shooting.

(but as stacks are not implemented on mobile, I don’t expect much to change, to be honest...)

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a year ago

I hadn't looked before, but my Sony RX100 V stores information about bursts in the proprietary MakerNotes section.  E.g.
[MakerNotes] Release Mode : Continuous
or:
[MakerNotes] Release Mode : Exposure Bracketing
and:
[MakerNotes] Sequence Number : 3
I haven't looked at Canons or Nikons.

I don't remember if Rob Cole's Ottomanic Importer plugin stacked bursts using such metadata, but it's the sort of thing he would probably would have implemented. Unfortunately, Rob passed away in 2015 and his plugins are no longer supported, though many people continue to run many of them.



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Interesting !
I didn’t look at the technical aspect because I assumed it would be pretty straightforward to figure out.
I have no idea what other manufacturers do, but if they have the same system, I would upvote for it too.
Now it’s wait and see, but as long as stacks are missing on mobile (idk on cloudy), I don’t expect much on Classic...

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a year ago

Also, it would seem trivial for a plugin to provide this better auto-stacking. Unfortunately, the LR SDK does allow plugins to change the stacking of photos that are already imported -- plugins can only set the stacking when they add new photos to the catalog.

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Good to know ;-)

But I don't want to rely on plugins as they're not officially supported by Adobe and thus can stop working for any reason. I'm subscribing to LR for updates and imporvements, and this place seems an adequate place to submit ideas. Although Victoria said there were orther places to submit bugs and improvement requestes, I'm not aware of them :-)

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I'm not sure what Victoria might have been referring to -- her article on how to submit a bug report or feature request points here. This is the official place to provide bug reports and feature requests to Adobe. Product developers read everything posted here, and often engage (but more on bug reports than feature requests).

You've provided excellent detail here about why you want the feature and how it might be implemented.

Since Adobe tends to be slow in addressing bugs and even slower in responding to feature requests, this forum is also a good place to discuss workarounds that let people get their work done while waiting for Adobe. This can feed back into Adobe's prioritization.  The lack of a good workaround or plugin may factor into their thinking.  Conversely, demand for a plugin may also help persuade them that they should incorporate a feature.   For example, my Any Preset plugin provided additional features for develop presets that had been requested by many, many people, and the plugin demonstrated that it was easy to provide full-Loupe previews of presets.  After a number of years Adobe finally built those features into LR 7 (and I gladly retired the plugin).

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She once replied to me there were others feedback channels Adobe’s management had to consider for feature request when I complained about the lack of consideration with regards to feature request and bug reports. I’m glad you’re saying this is the place to be as I feel this is the place where it lives the most.

Indeed, Adobe is slow in addressing bugs and feature request, it’s the least we can say. Even more, they seem to be focusing on features very few people have requested. And I’m sure no dev is to blame, it’s a management decision and that’s another topic.

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As John says, this is the official place for Lightroom users to provide bug reports and feature requests to Adobe, and we rightly funnel everything in this direction.

I think what you're referring is when I said this is not the only place they hear of bugs and feature requests. For example, they talk directly to a wide range of photographers, including those who might not even be using Lightroom yet. That's perfectly normal behavior in market research. 

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Oh, and Adobe created the SDK so that developers could fill many of the gaps, perhaps in areas that aren't as high a priority. As long as you're selective about which developers you go with, you have nothing to worry about. John Ellis is an excellent example of a very skilled plug-in developer. Jeffrey Friedl and John Beardsworth also create very good plug-ins I'd use without hesitation.