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2.5K Points

Thu, Jan 19, 2012 6:00 PM

Under consideration

Lightroom: Support Common Image Formats (EPS, GIF, PDF, BMP etc.)

Feature request: Please add Lightroom support for common Adobe publishing and Web image formats, such as EPS, AI, PDF, GIF, and PNG.

Many of us use Lightroom to manage client images in NEF, JPG, PSD and other formats. But the clients' associated images, which are used on their Websites and in their logos and publications, are invisible to Lightroom. If Adobe Bridge can display these other image formats, why can't Lightroom?

Even if Lightroom did not provide direct editing support for these other image formats, it would still be extremely useful if Lightroom could catalog and display them.

It would also elevate Lightroom from being "just" a photo editor into the realm of being a true Digital Asset Manager (DAM). Now that Lightroom includes basic video support - isn't it time to support all the common image formats that our other CS applications use?

Please vote for, as well as reply to, this request if you would also like to see Lightroom support these additional common image formats...

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1.9K Points

9 years ago

With you on PNG, its such a standard format and so important for websites.

Read somewhere that it makes for a better import onto facebook than jpeg, as it forces Facebook to make a better job of compressing any photos.
I don't know what its like for Picassa / Google + or flickr, but .PNG is a format that is real and supported all over.
Plus one from me

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952 Points

With today's software updates and new releases of the apps, you can now export your photos as PNGs in both Lightroom Classic and in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR):

https://theblog.adobe.com/august-photography-releases/

"With this release, we have added a new file format for your export needs. You can now export images in the PNG file format. Importing PNG files have been supported in previous Lightroom versions."

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3.5K Points

It is a small babystep (more like a crawl, really) in the right direction. But I think the broad topic here is about imports, not exports.

Exports are way easier. Anyone can export to any lossless format and use some batch process to turn them into PNG. Importing file formats is where LR needs to add support, because preprocessing them makes duplicate files to keep track of, and cannot ever work for animated files.

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9 years ago

Thanks for pointing out some of the many similar requests, John. My feature request wraps up most of those into a single request.

By the way, my above request originated in the Lightroom 4 beta forum. For practicality, it was suggested that I move it over here.

I appreciate everyone's vote for this useful, and overdue, support for additional common image formats.

...pt

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4.7K Points

9 years ago

add 3D image support as well, some camera produce them,and they are just jpeg files with a different extention so nothing needed to display them as 2D images. This would already be great.
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

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152 Points

9 years ago

OK, I'm new to this. How, where can I "vote" for this feature?

Champion

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91.7K Points

At the top of this thread at the bottom of the original post, click the "+1" button to the right of "4 people like this idea".

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13.8K Points

9 years ago

I think LR should support the importation and management of any file of any extension, but not by default, only through a user manually adding them. And I wouldn't have it edit, display, or export any of them.

I don't know if that counts as support for this request or not.

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Though a slight extra step, Lee, it seems like it would be fine to have users manually specify which file formats they want Lightroom to support. Some graphics applications let you check and uncheck desired file formats during the installation process (usually with the ability to later update those settings).

Additionally though, Lightroom should be able to display the imported images to some degree. If not, how would you know the images are cataloged or available?

Beyond that, if it is too difficult to support editing and exporting from within Lightroom, I think it would be fine to hand the editing off to another application. This could be done similar to the ability to edit Lightroom images in Photoshop.

Depending on the file type, if someone tries to edit an unsupported image format in Lightroom, the application could even display an "Edit in Photoshop?" or "Edit in Illustrator?" dialog box.

Thank you for your suggestion. ...pt

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"Additionally though, Lightroom should be able to display the imported images to some degree. If not, how would you know the images are cataloged or available? "

You'd have an icon, with the filename in it, like you have in an OS for a file type the OS doesn't recognize.

"Beyond that, if it is too difficult to support editing and exporting from within Lightroom, I think it would be fine to hand the editing off to another application. This could be done similar to the ability to edit Lightroom images in Photoshop."

That's actually quite complicated. How about a "just open the file like what would happen if you double click it in the OS"?

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No, Lee. Lightroom needs the ability to actually *display* these other common image types, just as Bridge can do.

I noticed that Bridge provides Open and/or Open With context menu choices to open files. For consistency, that approach would probably be best for Lightroom.

Thank you for your ideas towards a solution. ...pt

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144 Points

It is actually worse than this - Lightroom gives certain file types (e.g., jpeg and png) the same namespace. Thus, if you have two files of the same name with these different extensions, only one can be shown in Lightroom. 

Champion

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91.7K Points

In general, LR allows you to have many files in a folder all with the same basename but different extensions, e.g. a.arw, a.dng, a.jpg, a.mov, a.nef, a.png, a.psd, a.tif:



There's a special case of JPEGs getting paired with raw files, but you can disable that behavior with the option Preferences > General > Treat JPEG Files Next To Raw Files As Separate Photos.

Have you observed otherwise?

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13.8K Points

9 years ago

"If Adobe Bridge can display these other image formats, why can't Lightroom? "

Because Lightroom isn't part of the Creative Suite, which has tools to display and edit the files you mention, while Lightroom doesn't.

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120 Points

Saying Bridge has broader format support because it has the other Creative Suite applications available to send files to is a fallacy. Bridge has no problem cataloging my MS Office/LibreOffice/iWork files, and the last time I checked those aren't part of the Creative Suite. Doesn't seem to have a problem cataloging ZIP files and other archive formats. Doesn't even seem to have a problem cataloging my Aperture, iPhoto, and Photobooth libraries. Know what happens when I double click on my Aperture library from within Bridge? It opens Aperture. No error saying it doesn't know what to do with it, no dialog confirmation or question about what I intended to do, just passes the handling of it off to the proper application. Even when those applications are not part of the Creative Suite. I could, right now, completely remove Photoshop, Illustrator, and the rest of the Creative Suite from my computer. All but Bridge. And then I could direct Bridge to send PDFs to Preview, PSDs/PNGs/DNGs/etc to Pixelmator/GIMP/Acorn/etc. Know what would happen? It'd pass those files on to the proper applications without complaint.

Lightroom is essentially Bridge+ACR with much more limited file format support. Giving Lightroom broader file support isn't requesting that it be able to edit these files, we just want to be able to catalog them, to make Lightroom a proper DAM so we don't HAVE to use multiple programs to keep track of our day to day work.

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Thank you, Jay, for your vote for adding to Lightroom "broader file support."

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Bridge is essentially a folder browser tool that happens to be able to broker requests from other apps. So, in that respect it is completely unlike Lightroom.

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496 Points

and a good reason why it crashes and it has been useless for large files and network image storage

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195.8K Points

You might want to get some help with that -- since other people are using Bridge just fine without so many crashes and problems.

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2.5K Points

9 years ago

>>Because Lightroom isn't part of the Creative Suite, which has tools to display and edit the files you mention, while Lightroom doesn't.

Baloney. There is no reason to hobble Lightroom like this, Lee. Quit making excuses for its lack of support for common image formats that most of us use.

...pt

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Well, apparently the team thinks there is. There was even an argument as to whether .psds should be included since they aren't produced by cameras. .psds got in, but only with maximize on which means they are rendered and LR displays only the rendered image and ignores the rest.

Many people think the most important new file format for LR to support is .psb.

You didn't comment on my proposed solution above. I'm interested to know if you'd find that adequate or not.

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It seems like the Lightroom "team" should start listening to users, Lee, and not just to the echo chamber of other team members.

Customers who buy and use the product have a different perspective than software engineers and product managers.

Many users agree that support for additional file formats would be helpful.

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The devil is in the details. What does "support for additional file formats" mean to you? Because it won't necessarily mean the same for someone else.

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>>The devil is in the details. What does "support for additional file formats" mean to you? Because it won't necessarily mean the same for someone else.

Hi, John. At its most basic, support for additional image formats means that Lightroom would be able to display and catalog more formats. So when browsing, say, a client's photo shoot images, I could also see their logo and Web banner files too. Juggling Lightroom and Bridge to do this today is a real time waster.

While it would also be nice if Lightroom could edit more image formats, I can live without that if editing is too big of an engineering challenge. In that case, just open the image for editing in its native application. But let's at least be able to see and organize these other files from within Lightroom.

If that makes sense to you, please vote for this feature request.

Thanks. ...pt

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496 Points

AMMMMMMMMEEEENNNN!!!!!! For the love of imagery! Somebody listen to this man! (PT). I've been saying this myself and now found the right place!

Do not let it edit other foramts, No...just so we can see they exist! Hand off to the correct app to edit.
It should act as the MOTHER of Bridge and image files, as Bridge is crippled when it comes to networks, large files...it has no clue what to do and crashes. Lets leave bridge out of this.

We image makers need a MANAGER for ALL our image files, and since LR is being such a good Librarian, Give it some support to at least SEE! You have bottled up LR as if its some Fine Art ONLY tool that I'm gonna make some award winning archival print of Yosemite...Come on..We make images that get published in magazines, and websites and different color spaces...GEEZ why cant I know if the file is RGB or CMYK??16Bit or 8Bit..its in the Meta...Why cant I see that info??

People please ..if you think you should at least see previews of images...VOTE for this!

Only other option is to have another DAManager to license the preview of RAW developers from ACR/LR, and Capture One.

If LR does support other images, it would surely pull far ahead and gain large market share from C1 users.

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114 Points

9 years ago

@PhilipTobias
I do FULLY support your feature-request for a extended, in the world outside Adobe, STANDARD and daily used fileformats! I'm going over to vote now on your request.

FYI:
I have, like you, made this request in many Adobe- & Apple-related forums since even before 2009. Also Apples Aperture does support all formats already, but it's way to slow to work with when you have like 80' or so mediafiels to keep track of. In our case, we're 4 people using a mix of CS5 (mostly Photoshop), Lightroom, iPhoto, Final Cut Pro, Xcode etc and a central Lightroom media archive on a NAS that we all could share and maintain (metadata etc) would be just fine - IF it just supported all common filestypes. Don't know now yet if Bridge CS5 will work for us (looking at it now...).

So I think Adobe is actually shooting themself in the foot here, since I'm actually just started to look around for a DAM solution (again), taking another look at other competitors etc. I'm definitly not alone doing this. Just how patient do you have to be with Adobe?

Keep the request-fire going, we all need this common file-support. God job Phillip :-)

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2.5K Points

9 years ago

Thank you, Peter, for your support of this needed feature request.

Although Adobe Bridge supports more file formats, it is a nuisance to use alongside of Lightroom. If you're already in the correct folder in Lightroom when you realize a file you are looking for isn't there, it can take minutes to launch Bridge and navigate to exactly the same folder to look again. That is a major productivity waster - it takes you entirely off task.

It would be much better if Lightroom itself could catalog and display these other common file formats that many of us every day.

Thanks again. ...pt

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1.3K Points

9 years ago

*aside*
wasn't that the reason Bridge had so many problems - it was supporting just about every format known to man?

(I know it might be fixed now but I gave up on bridge a few version back as it was completely unusable , I was told at the time, for this reason - (whethertrue or not ) it was the version (CS3?) that just had a mind of its own

Anyway point is: if it risks making LR run badly or slowly then forget it, not worth the hassle

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No, it wasn't. Bridge and Lightroom are completely different programs.

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Thanks for the correction John, it was just what I was told at the time (that Bridge suffered from trying to support so many formats)

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One could just as well point to many other image cataloguing apps of the same era - iView, Extensis ACDeeSee etc - that performed well while supporting many different file types. It's just an obvious line in the sand, and perhaps those who draw it are the same as those who were once against video features?

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Not agin Video features here;)
I'm definitely not against any features in LR, just saying , hope it doesn't screw anything up;)

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Hi, Simon. Of course, none of us want to add features that will make Lightroom run sluggishly.

But as John replied, other applications handle numerous file formats without undue problems. With proper engineering, Lightroom would seem capable of supporting some additional file formats, too.

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84 Points

9 years ago

Phil I'm with you on this. Lightrooms inability to access png files is a big, big drawback. I like the program a lot. It's wonderful in conjunction with Photoshop but it would sure be a lot more user friendly (for me personally) if I were able to access the png "parts" files that I create in Photoshop each and every day.

I can't remember if you said i, or another, but i concur, "Adobe is shooting itself in the foot" insofar as photographers using Lightroom as their DAM when Lightroom can't even access many of the images (or parts of images) used in their work. It just doesn't make sense out here in the real world.

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9 years ago

Thank you, Royal, for your hearty agreement that additional file support would make Lightroom an ever better product.

Now let's encourage everyone to VOTE for this feature request.

Regards. ...pt

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OK- I voted;)

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Thank you, Simon, for voting to add support for more of the common file types we use all the time.

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114 Points

9 years ago

Just voted to support this idea of your's Philip :-)
- w my extra suggestion for e prefs panel to choose which format to support.

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9 years ago

Thank you for your vote, Peter.

Yes, a preference panel that allows each person to specify which files types to support, would be a nice refinement.

...pt