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590 Points

Sun, Jul 10, 2011 7:39 PM

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Lightroom: Support cataloging PNG files in Lightroom

Lightroom should support png and psd files - Adobe's own file type creations - I find this inexcusable. Many of us serious photographers that have lived through all the permutations and advancement of Photoshop with tens of thousands of files only to find that they are not supported by the latest otherwise beautiful Catalog program: Lightshop

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82 Points

9 years ago

Not supporting PNG is a deal-breaker for me. Cameras are not the only things that produce images, and I would love to catalog my digital visualizations with Lightroom - I usually produce PNG because it is loss-free yet untainted by compression license issues like tiff.

It is one of those silly religious things at Adobe, methinks, and they should just jump over their own shadow and implement this widely accepted and popular format. None of their reasons I have come across are "real" reasons. Just Do It.

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90 Points

9 years ago

I use Lightroom to manage photos from my iPhone. Screenshots made on the iPhone are png. (Great for taking a screenshot of google maps etc.) These are not imported and then can't be managed.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Feature Request: please add png support to Lightroom..

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82 Points

9 years ago

Ironically Chris Cox brought up the best point in support of PNG inclusion for Lightroom. PNG is simple in comparison to TIFF. That is the whole point of the need for full size PNG file support. One description I read of TIFF is that TIFF files are just a container. From that point you can go all over the place in variations on it. Like 50 plus versions maybe, that's a guess. A TIFF file is not a like a musical recording it's more of an instrument to play. I also read that many proprietary RAW files began their development out of TIFF format, which makes sense. A container is perfect to play around in. That said, I do like TIFFs in the midst of the work flow but not the end of it. If many common imaging programs get used on the same computer, then periodically a TIFF made with one will be unreadable by other programs. Also, on the web, when you upload a TIFF to Flickr they convert it to a JPG automatically and your full size original becomes unavailable to download even if you wanted it to be available. If I save as a large PNG file, and because for some crazy reason many image editing programs will cut the EXIF off a PNG save, and I use a software program to append the EXIF to it, then the full original sized photo is available on Flickr for view or download, with the EXIF. Flickr uses open source cross platform "ExifTool" among others to read EXIF so even if Lightroom didn't keep the EXIF on the PNG during export there would be workarounds for that but Adobe could take the lead and provide full size PNG with EXIF saves. Finally I would like to see all my photos in the Lightroom organizer. Many of my final versions from long edits are invisible to me in Lightroom. That is acceptable to me when I use freeware Nikon View NX2 for raw conversion but for a paid program I'd like to make the request for full PNG support.

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194 Points

Bingo. By the way, TIFF defines ways to use the Kodak DCS and Nikon NEF compression schemes, as well as those from the well-known type of "cameras" called "fax machines"!

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744 Points

9 years ago

Cataloging PNG files would indeed be very helpful.

I ran into this recently when working on a product photography shoot for leather jackets. We required images of the products with the background removed (transparent) so that we can process them further (add a certain background, stack them up, etc.).

I received the files in transparent PNG format, which suits me greatly as I use Fireworks primarily. However, they needed some additional retouching, like adjusting black levels, removing highlights, etc, that Lightroom is best at.

Upon trying to import them into Lightroom, I realized that I can't, since it doesn't support PNG files.

I had to open them up in Photoshop to do what I needed, but that wasn't very convenient. Fortunately, there were only about 10 files... but what if I had to to deal with 100 shots and I wanted to apply the same settings to all files?

So my vote goes to including PNG support in Lightroom please. Thanks!

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62 Points

9 years ago

I would like to give my vote for png.

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76.3K Points

Did you click the '+1' button above?

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92 Points

8 years ago

Really, really need PNG format. Photoshop has it, so to say it is not ideal for Photography would mean it should not be in Photoshop as well. Way too many things (we based) that use PNG, and not being able to catalog things or for that matter import to catalog so you can export to another format make Lightroom really miss the boat on many things.

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13.9K Points

Photoshop isn't for photography. A few percent of it is.

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92 Points

8 years ago

Interesting to see and get many of definitive responses and defensive comments..... for example - Lightroom isn't for photographers.... I sometimes wonder about some of these comments. Just to see how adamant and "defensive" some people get about it their comments is humorous.

In real life many people do indeed use Lightroom as a workflow management tool and catalog images - their source: cameras. If this is not photography I don't know what it is?

The problem as I see and experience it is that Lightroom can be used as an effective tool in many ways, The issue I have is that sometimes source files you receive - be it for web work, or whatever (not really that relevant) may be in a PNG format. Having Lightroom not accept that format is a handicap, especially when other Adobe product will accept it. For an application workflow - I may just want to import so I can do a bulk export to another format (part of a workflow - which is what Lightroom is partly about). Why restrict it source file especially when it is so common. That is the only point I am making.

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Correction: Photoshop is not just for photographers (the comment cited was aim at Photoshop, NOT Lightroom). Lightroom *is* just for photographers. And that is the rationale for excluding support for importing png: they don't come from cameras. But, it seems so easy to implement png support, and useful to photographers who have pngs too, that it seems it would be a nice convenience, even if not justifiable by the stricter of the purists.

The best solution havable in the mean time is Jim Keir's solution (see above). But that would be for Windows only.

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194 Points

If I scan a slide to a PNG, does that mean it did not come from a camera? The argument (not Rob's) that PNGs are not useful/essential to photographers is just stupid... especially since LR supports PNGs for e.g. watermarks, so you have the ridiculous situation that LR can use, but not catalog, PNGs.

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130 Points

8 years ago

Typical: We wrote our program to do X, therefore if you want to use it to do X.1 or X.2 or even Y, you are just plain out of luck. Stupid user: trying to use Lightroom for anything but raw pictures coming out of a compact flash card....... Innovation comes by LISTENING to users, not by sitting in your dark cubical and deciding what it is people should do with your software.

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122 Points

8 years ago

Which makes more business sense—thwarting people in smug superiority? Or saying "Woohoo, new custimrz, how can we help them?"

Lightroom works reasonably well as a general-purpose asset manager, how about letting that happen instead of resisting? (maybe add a multi-user version too?)

Or is there some other product you're protecting by keeping Lightroom crippled?

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440 Points

Lightroom is intrinsically multiuser, because its catalog and settings are stored in the user's profile.

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84 Points

8 years ago

I don't really see any reason why Lightroom should be for "photographer file formats" only. It's a great tool to organize your photos - in whatever format they may be. And PNG is a popular format. Voting for PNG support.

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1.1K Points

8 years ago

Please also support BMP. I know it's real basic old stuff that no one would use for a photo today, but many BMPs exist in my library and why should I have to go back through time and redo them all as tiffs? Come on, you know how to read BMPs. All your other products do it.

Export of BMPs would be nice also as sometimes to create a wallpaper or graphic for use in other applications it needs to be a BMP.

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86 Points

8 years ago

PNG is a good and spread format. Why not support it. The "pro-photographers only" argument seams rather weak, since it is simply not true. As others point out, there's a demand for this and this request thread is proof.

Lightroom is great for organizing all kind of images. Why gifs and png are unsupported is beyond me.

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82 Points

8 years ago

"Photographer file formats" has no meaning. That is no different than saying that paper is a photographer's medium, not bits. It is an empty statement that attempts to stop a conversation, implying that the speaker knows a special something that the listener SHOULD know. It is absurd.

There's absolutely no reason why Lightroom should not support the PNG format. It is a well documented format, and carries with it no licensing fees.

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440 Points

8 years ago

Yeah, Adobe, support importing PNG already! What where you thinking to deliberately not allow this? Who the frak do you think you are dictating what formats photographers must use?!

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440 Points

8 years ago

Rob Cole says:
"excluding support for importing png: they don't come from cameras"

No, but there's loads and loads of software out there that generated PNG for one or the other reason. Lightroom doesn't neccesarily have to import directly from a camera - it's perfectly reasonable to import photos from another source.

In fact, photos may even come from an external source. A partner or customer may be providing pictures in PNG format, because of its obvious advantages. It's very unprofessional to simply state "I cannot work with your files, try again". Any self-respecting imaging program, ANY one of them, must be able to handle the two utmost basic formats: JPEG and PNG. Anything else is a bonus. For Lightroom, RAW would be essential as well.

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No argument. In fact, I don't remember saying that (either it was a long time ago or I'm getting senile ;-}. But, I was probably trying to explain Adobe's rationale, rather than argue a case. I'm all for implementing png support in Lightroom, and I have my name on the list of votes to prove it :-).

Rob