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1.9K Points

Mon, Oct 5, 2015 2:38 PM

Lightroom: Restore features removed from Import in LR 6.2 / CC 2015.2

LIGHTROOM...PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE. I use each and every item most every day in my work flow.To be able to see how file name looks before it is brought in to LR. Is very important.As well as To see the destination Folders , how big a file is......Move is gone. You can only Add the photos at their existing location or Copy the photos to a new location.
Eject After Import is gone. You must now remember to eject memory cards using the operating system
Duplicate photos can’t be imported
Zoom is gone from the Import Loupe view.
Filename is now hidden under a tooltip.
Destination panel folders preview is gone, including the italic preview showing your chosen folder structure, the checkmarks to their right, and the volume information showing how much space was available on each drive.
Thumbnail filtering by Destination folder is gone.
Total file size is gone from the bottom left corner.
The filename preview (when renaming) is gone. THANKS!!!

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7 Messages

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178 Points

6 y ago

I was so upset when I went to import images tonight. For the life of me, I could not figure out how to replicate my old tried and true method of deselecting all the images on my card, then selecting a range by clicking and shift-clicking, then clicking the selection box in one to prepare the import. It is not often that I want everything from a memory card.

If I can figure out how to revert to 6.1, I will be doing it ASAP!

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322 Points

Hi Michael, if it's any help, I finally figured out how to revert to 6.1. I'm using the standalone version on Windows.

1. Make sure you have your serial number to hand before you start, as you'll need it for step 3
2. Uninstall Lightroom. (Pay attention to the option to preserve or delete your settings. You will probably want to keep them!)
3. Download and install 6.0:
https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/...
4. Download and install the 6.1.1 patch:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...

So I'm back on 6.1.1. Some hours wasted, but a big sigh of relief!

Hope that helps, and good luck!

Champion

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6.5K Messages

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109.5K Points

Actually, you can still do your tried and true method - it just looks a bit different now. Uncheck the Select All checkbox at the top to deselect all of the images. Then select a range by shift-clicking. They now have a tiny white border showing they're selected. Then the checkmark is in the middle of one of the images, and it does work the same as the old one, checking all of the selected photos.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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120 Points

6 y ago

I use "move" for almost every import. I save all my photos on a specific disk and then move them into a new folder once organized and imported into lightroom. This is how I keep all photos organized and saved. This feature is essential!

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80 Points

6 y ago

Such a frustrating update. I can't believe that they didn't expect people to be up in arms!

PLEASE ADOBE UNDO THIS MESS!!!

31 Messages

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482 Points

6 y ago

It also seems to be missing Import presets which I used heavily as I have multiple sources and have it configured so that the right source is deposited into my destination structure in the correct way.

Champion

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6.5K Messages

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109.5K Points

They're just hiding from you - they're now at the top of the Advanced panel, which is hidden under the gear icon.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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482 Points

Ah thanks for that, I'd lost where it was on the interface. The new location doesn't seem to make as much sense as before to me, since the import preset applies the settings over a range of sections, but there its not clear which components it applies to and seems like it would just be another import option among all the other individual import options.

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250 Points

6 y ago

The new import dialogue is truly horrible, I've deleted 6.2 and moved back to 6.0.

It breaks the common look and feel across every module in Lightroom.
It's harder to use.
The import settings; keywording options, adding metadata and applying presets are all much less easy to read and small on my screen. Plus seeing where the destination to import to is far less clear.
The patronising use of someone else's photograph as a compulsory background is insulting. I only want my choice of photos on my screen.

I've used Lightroom since the first beta and this is the first bad change in design.

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760 Points

6 y ago

I am really stunned to see the new Lightroom import interface, sadly Lightroom has lost its professional look. Actually I find the interface a lot more confusing than the previous version, the huge check marks over the images really look painful. I have been using Lightroom since version 1 or 2 and have always admired the presentation and simplicity of the application. Sorry Lightroom designers, you have failed this time. Finally I have always endorsed Lightroom to many others but this is where I will end that endorsement,
Colin

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1.2K Points

6 y ago

"Actually I find the interface a lot more confusing than the previous version, the huge check marks over the images really look painful"

You can lose the infantile "splash screen" approach by unticking the 'Add "Show Photos" Screen' tickbox in Edit > Preferences > General.

What's left isn't bad to look at, the functional changes notwithstanding.

Champion

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109.5K Points

6 y ago

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

It would really help to understand which specific import features you're missing, and how it'll affect your workflow.

For example, "I miss the Destination panel preview, because it helped me understand where the photos would be stored on the hard drive. Without it, I've imported photos into the wrong location because my external drive was disconnected and I didn't notice".

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

6 Messages

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260 Points

Simple: I need everything that was there before. Nothing is superflous. And I need to have all the data at a single glance, just as it just to be. I may not (and usually don't) change many options on each import, but I need to verify most of the settings every time. I want to do this with a single browse through a single column, not by clicking through various fly-ins while having my eyes closed because the layout (spacing, font, text-on-background) is butt-ugly.

The previous import dialog was fine. Revert the change, and everyone is happy again. And I do mean "revert" - do NOT just amend the new dialog - the idea/logic of the new design is flawed, not just the implementation!

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322 Points

Hi Victoria,

Thanks for that!

"I rely on the Move option in the import dialog, because it lets me keep track of which files I have not yet imported."

Below is a description of my import workflow, to describe why I find the Move option essential:

* All incoming photos (from cameras, memory cards, email etc...) arrive in a temporary folder.
* I always import from that single folder into Lightroom. I may import the entire folder, or select a batch of photos at a time. On import, the files are renamed and organised into folders within the catalog, based on capture date.
* Importantly, the files are *Moved* from the temporary folder into the catalog folders. This way I know that any files remaining in the temporary folder still need to be dealt with.
* Without the Move option, I would need to manually delete the files from the temporary folder after importing. This is not only laborious but a wonderful opportunity for human error.
* Another example where Move is a lifesaver is the case of files which fail to import. For example, I recently had a batch of files which included a .wmv video clip. The fact that the .wmv file was left on its own in the temp folder after importing alerted me to the fact that the file needed special attention. Had I been copying/deleting, I would not have noticed the missing import until it was too late.

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276 Points

I rely on the Destination Folder to know exactly where my imported photos are going on my external HD. The Reject upon import was a nice automatic thing. Now I have to add an additional unnecessary step to my workflow. The ability to zoom in a look at a potential import and reject it because it;out of focus or whatever before it ever goes into the catalogue gave us the capability of saving time and disc space

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106 Points

Exactly!! Especially if a customized import preset is used monthly. No preview yesterday and my import went into Sept. because I had not updated my preset.

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2.8K Points

Items that I miss/why:
- File rename preview to double check it is correct before importing

- Total file size of files to be imported (this may alter my choice of destination)

- Folder preview (Destination folder only shows the last level but not the folder path and may lead to incorrect placement of files on drives with identical folders when performing multiple imports in succession)

- Bring back full display of filenames without using tool tips (Many times I wish to select several small subsets of event photos for quick onsite processing that I have made note of. I do not want to have to be scrolling through the 1000 photos on the SD card looking for the 16 photos I want by using tool tips to find my place in thumbnails that may look very similar. Entire card gets imported later)

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376 Points

Victoria, Many thanks for all your work with regards Lightroom, it was via your blog / newsletter that I learned f the impending troubles with Lr 6.2 / CC 2015.2 and made the concious decision not to upgrade.

There have been many consistent issues raised throughout the discussion here, many of which I probably cover below, but one aspect I struggle with from Adobes Product Simplification point of view is the potential catastrophic effect the new import could have on inexperienced users backup routines, should they even consider such thing important:

EXERT HERE:

BACKUP CONSIDERATIONS FOR NEW USERS
As a side note, lack of import destination folder preview also present huge implications for new users in terms of how such NEW and INEXPERIENCED users will handle their backups...... Since Lightroom only backs up the Lightroom Catalog database on exit (if set in preferences), how confused are new users going to be when they think Lr has been backing up their RAW images (or more likely terrible iphone jpgs they are converting to grainy monotone or other doggy filter effects) when in reality Lr has only backed up the catalog database? Given that the new import workflow gives even less indication as to final (raw / source image) destination within the users given storage environment, how are they supposed to configure their backup routines. - Lightroom continually wants to import to "Pictures" within the windows user account space..... I run on a PC with:

RAM: 16GB
SSD1: - OS / Applications
SSD2: - Lightroom Catolog & Preview cache
SSD3: - Camera raw / Photoshop cache / scratch and other temp dirs
Local HDD: - Current Working Raw Files
NAS (Raid 6): Archival network storage with redundant
NAS (Raid 6): Backup of above NAS

Now tell me the new simplified Import experience knows where to store my RAW images.... in C:\Users\James\Pictures ???? I THINK NOT

FULL RANT HERE:

Well, where to start really, as so many others, this really is a huge mistake on Adobes part.

Don't get me wrong, I know they need to expose the product to new users, but let's be honest, Lightroom isn't a simple image editor for the masses. Aside from Lr's extensive image editing capabilities, it supports, and forms the central backbone of many a professional and advanced amateur photographers workflow, functioning as both Digital Asset Management and Image Editor.

If their new target audience can't handle a few options allowing them to work flexibly and understand simple concepts like: move on import, the need to review images prior to import, import target folder destinations/previews, file renaming conventions, metadata tagging etc, then frankly, they have no business using such software. Why mess up the workflow of many professionals that rely on the software for their livelihood.

If adobe really want to break in to the general consumer / casual market, then one of two options would surely be more viable than Lr 6.2 / CC2015.2, both in terms of the current/established professional/experienced user base, and the requirements of a more emergent consumer driven sector:

1) An entirely new product focussed on the casual / inexperienced user - i.e Lr Lite.
or
2) A single product that supports both advanced workflows for established / professional users, as well as a simplified wizard / tutorial driven option that guides new users in to the software, and instils a willingness to learn the more advanced features and workflows as required, while allowing them to gain the most from the software and the option to utilise the full capabilities of Lightroom.

Now, on to some examples.

What's Missing:

-Option to Move files on import - use quite regularly, particularly if I'm importing only certain sessions from a multi-session shoot. In such circumstances, I configure different image sub-folders on the CF card in-camera for each session during the shoot.

-Destination folder preview - always used. Given that my workflow places significant emphasis on where images are physically stored after import, I really need to know exactly where they are being imported to: I use a single catalog, with local SSD, Local HDD and archival NAS (raid 6), with images moving diversely through these storage media. Long storey short, I need to know where my RAW (cr2) files are. Additional backup considerations apply - See Note 1 Below.

-Ability to fully review Images for Import - Loss of zoom function removes the ability to realistically review images for critical sharpness etc at import. Now I have to Import all, render previews, review, remove and waste CPU time as well as my time.

-Auto un-mount / ejection of media cards - Seriously - your new target audience can't navigate a few simple options in a UI??? What makes you think they can manage to safely remove a USB drive / media card from the host PC / Mac... operating system??? - "Can't you just pull it out???? Corrupt data/card's here we come, courtesy of adobes improved import process.

-Ability to import duplicates
What's Wrong:

-Well, everything!

-Do not want phone inspired landing screen for import that scans my whole PC for potential import sources. My workflow dictates where my image will be: (CF Card / Working Local Storage / NAS)

-UI is totally inconsistent with the rest of Lightroom

-Lacks many essential features (lost)

-Images for import are greyed out, and have large tick-mark icon in centre, while unselected (will not import) images are highlighted and un-obscured...... SO how am I supposed to review import candidates during my workflow, when the image is greyed out, and has a huge tick in its centre?

-If your new user base can't handle simple file imports into a powerful image database / DAM / Editor, how are they going to grasp concepts in the Develop Module: Crop, White Balance, Exposure, White Point, Black Point, Highlight / Shadow Recover, Saturation, Vibrancy, Hue/Saturation/Luminescence, Split Toning, Noise Reduction & Sharpening, Lens/Camera calibrations and corrections, Colour Space etc... Shall we just dump those down too? There must be a button we can create that will lock everyone in to a single workflow and creative philosophy that will result in millions of images of identical phone / Instagram inspired mediocrity.

----By-The-Way---- I took a lovely picture of my mediocre lunch today, applied an epic filter and posted to Facebook / Intagram for all my friends to see..... you may note a slightly facetious tone in my voice..........

Kind of lost the will to go on....

There's enough covered here already, and if Adobe don't want t listen, then realistically, my Lightroom/Photoshop CC subscription will be ending come renewal time.

Note 1: - BACKUP CONSIDERATIONS FOR NEW USERS

As a side note, lack of import destination folder preview also present huge implications for new users in terms of how such NEW and INEXPERIENCED users will handle their backups...... Since Lightroom only backs up the Lightroom Catalog database on exit (if set in preferences), how confused are new users going to be when they think Lr has been backing up their RAW images (or more likely terrible iphone jpgs they are converting to grainy monotone or other doggy filter effects) when in reality Lr has only backed up the catalog database? Given that the new import workflow gives even less indication as to final (raw / source image) destination within the users given storage environment, how are they supposed to configure their backup routines. - Lightroom continually wants to import to "Pictures" within the windows user account space..... I run on a PC with:

RAM: 16GB
SSD1: - OS / Applications
SSD2: - Lightroom Catolog & Preview cache
SSD3: - Camera raw / Photoshop cache / scratch and other temp dirs
Local HDD: - Current Working Raw Files
NAS (Raid 6): Archival network storage with redundant
NAS (Raid 6): Backup of above NAS

Now tell me the new simplified Import experience knows where to store my RAW images.... in C:\Users\James\Pictures ???? I THINK NOT

53 Messages

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926 Points

6 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled "great" new import dialog is clueles, cumbersome and contra-productive.

Adobe lightroom today (6th october 2015) get aukward image import dialog. It is clueless, against previous import window. Please give us back the old great (almost perfect) window wiat ALL setting visible at once, not this clueless empty screen where nothing can be seen or set or choosen without deep and time consuming digging. WHY FIX something that is not broken??

Thank you!

55 Messages

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1.6K Points

6 y ago

Giant "Tick" on top of the thumbnails for me is a dealbreaker, as well as keyboard shortcuts not seemingly working (Couldn't use Ctrl+A to select all).

It feels like Adobe are trying to make the UI "Finger Friendly" for a fringe market of trendies that work on their tablets. Fine. But don't ruin the UI for hundreds of thousands of desktop users who have a lot of files to work with and aren't tapping on their screens with fingers. Microsoft learned this the hard way forcing Metro onto people who were quite happy with a keyboard-and-mouse friendly interface and have been working to make it function in dual mode since.

Also, 4 hours to import 1000 images with 1:1 previews on a 32gb i7@4Ghz - seems very slow to me but perhaps I'm simply being impatient and frustrated. That said I'd put up with any UI changes if the performance was up to snuff.

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1.3K Points

Agreed. They can't be Lightroom AND Picasa. Either be the professional photography app, or be the low-end image editor... take your pick.

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80 Points

6 y ago

In view of this thread and a preliminary review by Antoni Morganti "What's New In Lightroom 6.2 & CC2015.2" on Youtube, I will be sticking with Lightroom CC2015 1.1 until Adobe restores the import dialog to it's former functionality. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Save the simplified kiddie interface for 'Lightroom Elements'

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926 Points

6 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled revamped import is all worse.

"We redesigned the Import experience to make finding and importing your photos easier and more visual. The redesign was driven by our desire to make the import workflow more explicit and clear. The workflow is 1. Select a source, 2. Select images 3. Choose any import settings (optional) and 4. Import."

Nothing is easier now. Before I hit IMPORT and IMPORT again and all new images from SD card was imported. Now I must:

"importing your photos easier" now means:
1. Select a source,
2. Select images
3. Choose any import settings (optional) and
4. Import.

"and more visual" now means:
- I am under stress if I am still in Lightroom app or maybe craweled on a website
- I must seek and discover hidden settings (several clicks and treasure seeking where settings are are hidden)
- and do this EVERY TIME!

What is more visual against previous import where ALL settings were visible at once and you do not needed to set them every time?

I wish this "revamping" never happened. As you add good features to Adobe software we have fear every production mornig what new "puzzle" Adobe will set to us. We hate that and serious consider to leave this boat. Imagin you would have every morning the light switch somewhere else, the tootpaste in other drawer (and room), door handle at the ceiling, car would become left/right hand driving, wife will change hair to pink, etc !

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1.6K Points

6 y ago

I'm also concerned about the reliance on "User Feedback" from customers, as typically the customers who are perfectly happy with a product never bother to say anything, so you end up catering to a vocal minority that don't genuinely reflect the userbase.

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80 Points

6 y ago

I really hope, this is only a premature released version of Lightroom with unfinished feature-set. Obviously you had to meet a deadline for MAX.

So would you now please begin implementing the rest of the missing features, like:
-File rename preview
-Destination panel folders preview

Filenames and Folder-structures are essential to my workflow. As a professional I must double-check if pictures are being imported correctly before clearing the SD-Card and by seeing a preview of whats going to happen minimalizes this important task.

When importing a 64GB Card full of fresh photos, having to (check for and) correct errors ia also time-consuming.

I'm a loyal user since 2006.

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220 Points

6 y ago

Please bring back the old import, like it was before and make it optional.
With the background usability checks already in lightroom you will see how much user will use the new one and could optimize the import again.
The old import, with some presets, was a non brainier for me and every time I must do a change, like choose a new path, the clean tree view was a big help.
Also the preview of rename is essential. Now one like to change file names in the dark :(
The new import dialog may be a good idea for first time lightroom users but is a big step backwards for all the professionals and should be a optional feature!

53 Messages

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926 Points

I tested some of covorkers not familiar much with Lightrom. NO ONE find it intuitive. Yes, they were able to import... but just that. Where picture went, and any other setting, remained mistery.