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Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:21 AM

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Lightroom: Respect Hierarchical Folders of Presets

Currently presets can be stored in folders, but Lightroom doesn't respect the hierarchy beyond the first level. For example, the following hierarchy would appear with all of the folders on the same level with the top level folders appearing to be empty.

Develop Presets
-Folder 1
--Sub Folder 1.1
---Preset 1.1.1
--Sub Folder 1.2
---Preset 1.2.1
-Folder 2
--Sub Folder 2.1
---Preset 2.1.1
--Sub Folder 2.2
---Preset 2.2.1

The above hiearchy appears as follows:

Develop Presets
-Folder 1
-Sub Folder 1.1
--Preset 1.1.1
-Sub Folder 1.2
--Preset 1.2.1
-Folder 2
-Sub Folder 2.1
--Preset 2.1.1
-Sub Folder 2.2
--Preset 2.2.1

There are many reasons to want to use deeper hierarchies. I keep all the Presets from Matt Klowskowski in one folder, but further subdivided by folders that contain all the presets in the same category (eg. Wedding, B&W, etc). Lightroom ignores the top level folder and shows the subfolders as top level folders.

See the attached image to see the difference between Lightroom and the folders on disc.



Annoying.

This conversation has been merged. Please refer the main conversation:

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21 Messages

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918 Points

5 years ago

+1 For better preset management. My wishlist would include

-Nested Folders
-"Favorite" markers, with a dedicated folder in which these would appear
-The ability to move presets and create folders/subfolders from within LR itself.

Please. :)

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156 Points

5 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Subfolders in presets.

It would be great if LR allowed for more than one level of directory structure in the develop presets. With a lot of presets there's a balance between having lots of folders in the list and having fewer folders with lots of individual presents inside them. For example, you could have:
> Basic Workflow

> White Balance
WB1
WB2
....
> Exposure
- 1.0
-0.5
....
> Contrast
...
> B & W Treatments
> Creative filters
etc.

Right now you can have a nice folder structure in the filesystem but as displayed in LR there is only one level--all the folders on disk are collapsed to the same level.

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918 Points

5 years ago

The plugin above is helpful - and thanks for it!

But - Adobe - I (and I suspect a lot of us) really, really need a way to organize presets in a hierarchy more than one level deep. Additionally, being able to mark a preset as a "favorite" and having it show up in a dynamic favorite preset folder would be hugely helpful.

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174 Points

5 years ago

I'm amazed this isn't in yet - it simply is shocking!

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918 Points

5 years ago

However it can be implemented, we do really need a better way to organize presets. At a bare minimum I'd hope for hierarchical folders and the ability to mark (and filter) presets.

The more I think about it, though, and the more closely I pay attention to my workflow frustrations - the more I'd like to see presets handled in a way that's analogous to the way LR handles images with folders and presets.

So:

-Hierarchical Presets Folders under one section
-Another Presets "Collection" Section, where folders, subfolders, etc can be created, and presets placed into them. Important here would be:

1) The same presets can be placed in multiple preset collection groups (for example you could place the same preset in "Favorites," "Black and White" and "Film Emulations"

2) Preset Collections could be filtered for more frictionless navigation.

Thoughts?

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918 Points

5 years ago

Oh wow...I just realized - we've been asking for this for four years?!

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250 Points

5 years ago

And still no response from Adobe - not even an acknowledgement they have even read the forum

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262 Points

5 years ago

They first replied 4 years ago. They said the problem was fixed! I don't think they understand what we are talking about.

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Ron, the reply originally announcing the fix was appropriate. The release of the Lightroom 4 Beta and subsequently Lightroom 4.0 represented a change in the way Presets were handled in pulldown menus (e.g. Import dialog, Quick Develop panel) formerly these were not available in 1-level folder view and created very long lists.

Requests to have a multi-level folder organization remains an active feature request. Were it not, this thread would have been marked as implemented.
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Quality Engineering - Customer Advocacy

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@Rick, it wasn't appropriate at all to mark this as implemented. The original request (which I submitted) clearly shows a screenshot from the Develop panel and it was only changed in Quick Develop. It's still broken in Develop.

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And it hasn't been marked implemented, as I said above.
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NOTE - if you look at the very top of this thread it is marked as implemented by Jeffrey Tranberry. As I said, it clearly has not been fixed.

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When we mark a feature request as Implemented a large yellow badge appears at the top. See this thread for an example: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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Quality Engineering - Customer Advocacy

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https://gyazo.com/ad45c304b37580ce97d...

OK, so it doesn't have a badge, but it does have an "official response" saying that it was implemented. Either way it has been dead for 4 years. What are we left to assume...

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918 Points

More importantly ... can we get it implemented? :)

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Clarification: LR does read nested folders of presets, but it flattens the hierarchy in the dropdown menus, so the nested folders all appear as top-level folders. This is clearly not what everyone in this thread wants.

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504 Points

Let's not quibble about how it has been labeled. What's important is what else can all of us do to both bring more attention to this and get it accomplished?

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918 Points

I think Adobe's straight up ignoring this thread because it's (erroneously) considered to be "addressed." Should we start a new one?

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218 Points

Good idea.

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918 Points

New (and hopefully not ignored) thread here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-need-to-respect-subfolder-hierarchy...

Please go add your support.

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262 Points

5 years ago

@Rick. I don't want to be nit picky but this goes to my comment re not understanding. The first reply from anyone at adobe is

Jeffrey Tranberry (Chief Customer Advocate) over 4 years ago
Hierarchical Develop Presets was implemented in Lightroom 4:

He said Develop Presets, not Quick Develop or any other kind of preset. The fact is that nothing was done to the Develop Presets and I am 99.99999% sure that is what everyone has been commenting on (customers that is)

We would all appreciate it if you could use your considerable influence with the development team to get them to 'fix' the Develop Module Presets.
Thanks for listening.

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918 Points

5 years ago

I'm certainly talking about develop presets. (Not that Metadata presets couldn't use help too, but that's beyond the scope of this current conversation)