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Sun, Apr 3, 2011 4:21 AM

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Lightroom: Respect Hierarchical Folders of Presets

Currently presets can be stored in folders, but Lightroom doesn't respect the hierarchy beyond the first level. For example, the following hierarchy would appear with all of the folders on the same level with the top level folders appearing to be empty.

Develop Presets
-Folder 1
--Sub Folder 1.1
---Preset 1.1.1
--Sub Folder 1.2
---Preset 1.2.1
-Folder 2
--Sub Folder 2.1
---Preset 2.1.1
--Sub Folder 2.2
---Preset 2.2.1

The above hiearchy appears as follows:

Develop Presets
-Folder 1
-Sub Folder 1.1
--Preset 1.1.1
-Sub Folder 1.2
--Preset 1.2.1
-Folder 2
-Sub Folder 2.1
--Preset 2.1.1
-Sub Folder 2.2
--Preset 2.2.1

There are many reasons to want to use deeper hierarchies. I keep all the Presets from Matt Klowskowski in one folder, but further subdivided by folders that contain all the presets in the same category (eg. Wedding, B&W, etc). Lightroom ignores the top level folder and shows the subfolders as top level folders.

See the attached image to see the difference between Lightroom and the folders on disc.



Annoying.

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Adobe Administrator

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15.1K Messages

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287.8K Points

9 years ago

Hierarchical Develop Presets was implemented in Lightroom 4:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

Sr. Product Manager, Adobe Digital Imaging

25 Messages

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504 Points

Where, because I've not found it and I'm using LR 5.71 . If it's really there, please give us directions on how to find it. Thank you...

164 Messages

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5.2K Points

@Jeff - is this something that's ever going to be fixed? I can't believe that we're at LR 6 now and we still don't have something as basic as nested folders for presets in the develop module and for templates in the print module...

10 Messages

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322 Points

10 years ago

I completely agree with Sean. Nested hierarchy for Develop Presets is an absolute must have feature for the next version of LR.I would take it even further and point out some other serious flaws in the way that the LR UI handles Develop Presets.

I use Tethered Capture to shoot directly into LR and I have close to 300 presets. The Develop Presets drop down menu in the tethered capture dialog box has absolutely NO hierarchy and therefore I have to scroll through an enormous list to find the correct preset to apply to my captures. This annoys me every time I have to do this.

A smaller issue but also somewhat odd is that in the Develop Presets panel the sort order is not user controllable. It sorts itself alphabetically however it doesn't work in the same manner as the Finder (on Mac OS). If you have mixed upper and lower case first letters to the preset name it will not sort them together. Capitalized is sorted first and then lower case after. For instance:

A----
B----
G----
a----
b----
g----

The finder ignores the case and sorts them like:

a----
A----
b----
B----
g----
G----

I realize these seem nitpicky but when you practically live inside an application, using it everyday for your livelihood it's the small things that end up frustrating you the most.

164 Messages

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5.2K Points

Not nitpicky at all! The long lists also drive me crazy!

4.5K Messages

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76.3K Points

10 years ago

+1 vote - more than one (nested) folder for presets. Also, more than one level of nesting for other things that can grow unwieldy - for me: plugin extras takes several seconds to scroll from one end to the other, since I have all my relative develop presets there, along with many other things...

4.5K Messages

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76.3K Points

9 years ago

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but another problem with the current scheme is that even though folders are supported, names must be unique. i.e. two presets may not have the same name even if they are in different folders. That works out well for the flat list, so you can always distinguish one from another, but makes things more complicated and verbose in the develop panel preset section, which is the one most people use most if they have many presets. I'm assuming this will also be fixed along with the rest...

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4.8K Points

9 years ago

What I also miss is a hierarchy in the development preset pulldown inside the import dialog. Because of the preset listing there without folders it can be very time consuming to scroll up and down to find a preset.

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76.3K Points

9 years ago

Very nice (thank you). Now, *please* transfer this software technology to the other places in Lightroom where people may be having the same problem. Examples:

File Menu -> Plugin-Extras (it takes me 18 seconds to scroll from one end to the other, and that's *after* optimization by relocating some functions to other places). This is #1 on my list.

Camera Calibration - Lots of people are learning to use DPE and creating camera profiles for Lightroom (feel free to contact me for details about how I know this). In this case, one can use presets for applying camera profiles, so it's not so bad - still...

You've done such a nice job with the hierarchical preset dropdown, why not spread the love???

It takes me 21 seconds to scroll through the whole metadata set in lib-filter column, making this #2 for me. UPDATE: Make this #1 instead.

4 Messages

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230 Points

8 years ago

This feature has *not* been implemented in LR 4, what's been implemented is showing the top level, with the first level of folders expandable (from the menus). The main presets section in the develop module does not allow nested folders or presets within nested folders. There is still no way to have nested folders as described above.

See the attached image. All of the folders and presets in it are under folder "aaa", but if you recreated this hierarchy right now, you would see all the folders at the same level within LR (the same level as "aaa", not underneath it).

Champion

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5.8K Messages

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102.6K Points

Agreed, I've just unmarked it as implemented.

6 Messages

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250 Points

7 years ago

This is a must have - "My Presets My Way" in a product designed to support my workflow - this is a glaring omission - include my vote

Also the ability to rename / delete / re organise the system develop presets - I mean calling them "Lightroom xx presets" - stating the obvious given they are in Lightroom. Question why 3 separate Lightroom B&W folders why not just one with subsets by name or subfolder

6 Messages

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218 Points

7 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: Develop Presets in Nested Folders.


Please allow nested folders inside the Presets folder inside the Develop Module, so that we can group sets together.

E.g. FILM EMULATIONS would contain both B&W and COLOR folders and those folders would contain presets.

Currently, if you have a hierarchy more that one directory deep (on Mac OS X), the inner directories do not apear in LR, whether or not they contain presets.

I realize that this could mean an ugly directory tree forking its way across the screen. What if you could solo folders in Presets instead of having them all visible all the time? You rarely have to move presets from one folder to another inside LR, so there's no real gain from seeing all of them all the time.

Thanks for all your great work on LR. The LR4 Beta is another great step forward.

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370 Points

7 years ago

If Adobe wants use to keep using preset, we need better ways to organize them. This means multiple hierarchical layers.

John

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104 Points

6 years ago

So this is still not fixed in Lightroom 5.5. Will presets forever stay messy? It seems like a simple request? :)

164 Messages

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5.2K Points

6 years ago

Nope, they still haven't fixed it. They made a half hearted attempt with LR4, but it's still not right.

25 Messages

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504 Points

6 years ago

This request has been going for several years now and it just makes logical sense to be able to have nested folders in the Develop module presets, several layers deep. It was stated above by EMPLOYEE Jeffrey Tranberry 3 years ago that it was implemented in LR 4, but I can't find it. So please consider this for the next update. Thank you.

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250 Points

6 years ago

I put in the request for change on this about 3 years ago to Adobe via Victoria Brampton aka The Light room Queen. I also suggested a favourites folder where you could store [short cuts / pointers to] frequently used presets whilst they also existed in their hierarchical folders like most of the 3rd Party vendors offer. So if Adobe do read this please add this function as well.

12 Messages

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326 Points

6 years ago

I agree with the bulk of the users: the directory nesting level of the develop presets needs to support much more than a single subdirectory.