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Wed, Mar 7, 2012 11:47 AM

Lightroom: LR 4 user interface, and Develop slider response very sluggish

Hi,

I updated from LR3 to LR4.0 yesterday and I observe a significant delay when I move sliders in the develop module. the delay exceeds often one second. It is not possible to use LR4 with this behavior. In LR3 no such delay happened.
I use WIN64 ultra a quad core @ 2.83GHz. 4MB RAM.

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16.7K Points

8 years ago

Hi all,

We have put together a technote containing several less traditional suggestions for optimizing Lightroom's performance that we hope will help.

http://adobe.ly/LRPerformanceHints

Let us know which of these suggestions are helpful to you. Thanks!

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It basically says: Don't use Lightroom to much for image corrections. Hilarious. True pros at work...

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It does not say that. It says using thousands of local or spot corrections can be slow. If you have an image in need of that many local or spot corrections, the destructive tools in PS are a much better choice anyway.

I routinely use LR with dozens of local or spot corrections without issue. That's actually quite a lot of "fixing". I can't imagine needing "thousands".

Also, the advice in that article is wrong in one area - 1:3. 1:3 will be just as slow as 1:2 or fit if fit is between 1:2 and 1:4. Try 1:4 for a 4x speedup compared with 1:2.

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1.2K Points

9 years ago

I made similar observations and like to give some more details:
I have an Intel Core i3 2100 CPU, 8GB RAM, SSD (on which LR is installed) and a dual monitor setup (and Win7 x64 btw). I know that my CPU isn't the fastest, but in LR3 I didn't have any problems working decently.

What I do observe in LR4 is this:
Initally (i.e. when starting to edit a photo from scratch in the develop module), the sliders work well. I do notice however, that the lag to update the second monitor is noticable longer in LR4 compared to LR3.
But as soon as the edit gets more complicated - i.e. using noise reduction, lens corrections and some local adjusments, LR4 just gets really slow and dragging the sliders will take time (until it just gets frustrating). This is a problem that I never experienced with LR3 on the same machine.

The really disappoint thing about this is, that of course I can upgrade my CPU to an Intel Core i5 quad core, but I can't do that on my laptop. So I guess I can just forget about even trying to use LR4 on my older laptop whereas LR3 just worked fine.

Is there any hope that LR4 will become more responsive with future updates?

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3K Points

9 years ago

Additional info: I use of course 4GB RAM ;)
The extreme delay is also related to the use of a second monitor.
But without the second screen LR4 still behaves pretty rough. (would be almost acceptable for a freeware tool)

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102 Points

9 years ago

Same problem here. The problem only exists when working with an converted LR3 cataolg! When using a newly created catalog it works as fast as ever.

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9 years ago

Yes, I can confirm, it only happens with a converted catalogue. On another photography forum I found more user that have the same issue with a converted catalogue.
Andreas: Can you change the title to something more specific like : "LR4 extremly slow when working with a catalogue converted from LR3"? Maybe it attracts more attention and is easier to nail down then.
LR4.0 should have been Beta 2!

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142 Points

9 years ago

Lightroom 4 is very slugish!

LR4 is very slugish in its user interface response - slider bars dont drag smoothly; drawing photo on screen is slow; refreshing screen when moving to next photo is slow.

I have spent about 10 hours fiddling including doing a complete system restore. I will report findings but here are system specs:

i7 950 Quad core OC'd to 3.9Ghz - rock solid.
24Gb RAM using Mushkin Black OCd to 1800Mhz - rock solid
C: is RAID 0 on Intel Sata2 Controller, running two OCZ Vertex3 120Gb SSD
Scratch drive is mushkin Max Iops 240Gb SATA3 SSD on SATA3 controller
Photo directory is on 4Tb partition (two WD Caviar Black drives in RAID 0 on intel SATA2)
Three displays but LR running on two - powered by two MSI GTX 570 cards OCd by about 20% - rock solid - have SLI disabled

Both Lr3 and Lr4 repond much quicker when second display is turned off. Lr3 is easily usable with second display running - Lr4 is very sluggish.

I never installed beta version of Lr4. I have uninstalled Lr4, re-installed. Did system backup recovery from before installing Lr4. Tried Lr3 only. Tried Lr4 only. Ran versions side by side. Tried sharing catalog. Tried seperate catalogs. Virgin import to LR4 to make brand new catalog. Does not matter - almost identical performance problem with LR4 (compared to LR3) under all conditions.

Here is where I left it:

I now have LR3.6 and LR4 in side-by-side installs with completely seperate libraries and referencing duplicate data on the same partition. Without a doubt, LR4 is much, much more slugish than Lr3. Here is the kicker: I created a 12Gb ram disk and copied one of my folders with RAW images in it. When reading these images, LR4 does move more quickly than when reading identical files off the RAID 0 photos drive. However, the improvement is nominal and remails, very obvioudly slugish. In comparision, LR3 reading the same files from the Ram disk is much faster - tiny bit of lag.

The problems cannot have anything to do with hardware limitations or file sizes. There is something about LR4 that is grinding down its responsiveness.

One other observation. If I develop a photo then immediately go to close Lr4, it always gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." If I wait 5 seconds or so before attempting to close Lr4, I dont get the error. This error is 100% reproducible in every situation I have tried including in a brand new Lr4 made catalog with just one image in it! I cant get this error to occur on Lr3 even with my catalogue of over 30,000 pictures.

It really seems like Lr4 is working very hard at doing something, but what the heck it is working at I cant say.

Kirk

PS. Once an image is cached, LR4 much more responsive - still slower than Lr3, but usable.

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184 Points

9 years ago

Same issue here. I have reverted back to 3.6 as the latency makes LR4 too painful/difficult to use. I have tried suggested workarounds but none have helped (32-bit Win7 platform).

Edit: Should note that I have tried both with converted catalogs, and also did full uninstall and tried with "virgin" install (not over the beta) and with with a new catalog after reinstall.

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184 Points

After further testing, I can say that the suggested workaround from the forum of converting a single image to DNG (and reverting to JPEG) has greatly improved performance. Though it still lags LR3.6, it is now at least usable. I do run into the out-of-memory error when LR4 memory usage gets up over 1GB (on 32-bit Win7) though memory is still available. LR4 definitely chews up more resources than 3.6.

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9 years ago

@Timo
although the issue with the converted catalog is the most annoying one, the overall performance in terms of responsiveness is not satisfying. So i would like to leave the topic as general as it is...

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184 Points

I agree as I see the same performance after reinstalling and not converting an old catalog with the new installation.

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3.8K Points

9 years ago

Slider responsiveness is really sluggish. There is no delay before it reacts, but it just updates not often enough. I get maybe 2-3 screen redraws per second, if I constantly move the exposure slider. If the secondary view is enabled, the screen redraw on this monitor is even slower. It lags behind the primary monitor.
If you have made some local adjustments and have zoomed into the picture, panning around is very slow and stuttering, even with no secondary monitor/secondary view. That said, LR3 isn ́t faster.
I`m using a Q6600/2,8Ghz, 8GB RAM, Geforce 470GTX, WIN7 64bit. Adobe should take a look at Capture One`S OpenCL (I`m sure they did). It works so much more fluid on screen.

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142 Points

9 years ago

LR4 is very slugish in its user interface response - slider bars dont drag smoothly; drawing photo on screen is slow; refreshing screen when moving to next photo is slow.

I have spent about 10 hours fiddling including doing a complete system restore. I will report findings but here are system specs:

i7 950 Quad core OC'd to 3.9Ghz - rock solid.
24Gb RAM using Mushkin Black OCd to 1800Mhz - rock solid
C: is RAID 0 on Intel Sata2 Controller, running two OCZ Vertex3 120Gb SSD
Scratch drive is mushkin Max Iops 240Gb SATA3 SSD on SATA3 controller
Photo directory is on 4Tb partition (two WD Caviar Black drives in RAID 0 on intel SATA2)
Three displays but LR running on two - powered by two MSI GTX 570 cards OCd by about 20% - rock solid - have SLI disabled

Both Lr3 and Lr4 repond much quicker when second display is turned off. Lr3 is easily usable with second display running - Lr4 is very sluggish.

I never installed beta version of Lr4. I have uninstalled Lr4, re-installed. Did system backup recovery from before installing Lr4. Tried Lr3 only. Tried Lr4 only. Ran versions side by side. Tried sharing catalog. Tried seperate catalogs. Virgin import to LR4 to make brand new catalog. Does not matter - almost identical performance problem with LR4 (compared to LR3) under all conditions.

Here is where I left it:

I now have LR3.6 and LR4 in side-by-side installs with completely seperate libraries and referencing duplicate data on the same partition. Without a doubt, LR4 is much, much more slugish than Lr3. Here is the kicker: I created a 12Gb ram disk and copied one of my folders with RAW images in it. When reading these images, LR4 does move more quickly than when reading identical files off the RAID 0 photos drive. However, the improvement is nominal and remails, very obvioudly slugish. In comparision, LR3 reading the same files from the Ram disk is much faster - tiny bit of lag.

The problems cannot have anything to do with hardware limitations or file sizes. There is something about LR4 that is grinding down its responsiveness.

One other observation. If I develop a photo then immediately go to close Lr4, it always gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." If I wait 5 seconds or so before attempting to close Lr4, I dont get the error. This error is 100% reproducible in every situation I have tried including in a brand new Lr4 made catalog with just one image in it! I cant get this error to occur on Lr3 even with my catalogue of over 30,000 pictures.

It really seems like Lr4 is working very hard at doing something, but what the heck it is working at I cant say.

Kirk

PS. Once an image is cached, LR4 much more responsive - still slower than Lr3, but usable.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom 4 user interface slider response very sluggish.

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124 Points

9 years ago

Same issue here, very very slow compared to LR3.6

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142 Points

9 years ago

If I develop a photo then immediately go to close Lr4, it always gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." If I wait 5 seconds or so before attempting to close Lr4, I dont get the error. This error is 100% reproducible in every situation I have tried including in a brand new Lr4 made catalog with just one image in it! I cant get this error to occur on Lr3 even with my catalogue of over 30,000 pictures.

It really seems like Lr4 is working very hard at doing something, but what the heck it is working at I cant say.

Add my voice to the group of people that think it is time for Adobe to jump into this thread even if for no other reason than to let us know they have heard our complaints/concerns and are looking into the issues.

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Lr4 gives me an error: "Adobe Lightroom is not finished writing metadata changes into XMP..." when I close Lr4 immediately after developing photo.

Am I the only one?

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70 Points

9 years ago

Sluggish here too. I noticed no such problem with the beta but now it is very slow and hesitant (since I imported and converted my LR3.6 catalog.)

Win764bit dual core etc.

edited to add: I've uninstalled and reinstalled, I've tried creating a new catalog. Same symptoms each time.

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100 Points

9 years ago

Sluggish here too. Until I tried this : I did create a brand new catalog in LR4. Here are the steps:
I imported a LR3 catalog named "catalog_3" in LR4.
It made a "catalog_3-2" catalog with format LR4 : slow responses.
Now I create an empty new catalog in LR4 named "catalog_LR4".
I import the "catalog_3-2" catalog.
After almost 20 minutes, the import finishes with an error "Unable to import this catalog", or something like that. No matter.
All works fine now, all LR4 is very responsive.

Win7 64bit 3 cores Amd, 8Mo...

Can somebody else try that ? I agree, it is only a workaround, and the bug is still here, behind a tree, or the desk.

Hope it helps, at least to continue to work immediatly.

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102 Points

I tried your suggestion, but unfortunately the imported catalog has the same sluggish performance...

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100 Points

Elusive bug, indeed. Hope Adobe is working on it.

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76 Points

9 years ago

Same here.
Performance is very slow compared to LR3.6.

I am using av 2011 Mac mini, Core i7 with Intel SSD and 16GB RAM.
Mac OS 10.7.3.

Camera RAW cache is set to 20GB on the SSD.

Edit:
For me the problem seems to disappear when I choose to use one monitor only.
My usual setup is dual monitors with "Loupe" view on the second monitor.

All the sliders respond quickly in single monitor mode.

Rendering the preview for my second monitor seems to require a lot of cpu power with the current version of Lr4.

Lr3 was fine in dual monitor mode. All the sliders responded smoothly without any lag.

For me this is a big issue as I always have my second monitor set to "Loupe" view.