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hikingwithcamera

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Mon, Sep 24, 2018 2:30 AM

Lightroom: Issue with XMP AlreadyApplied field incorrectly marked as TRUE in some JPEGS in Lightroom CC

I've encountered a bug and have narrowed down what is happening with the help of John R. Ellis.

Some of the JPEGs that I have edited in Lightroom CC, exported as "Original + Settings" and subsequently imported into Lightroom Classic are not showing the adjustments that I have made when I open them in Develop. You can see a video of this happening here:



John noticed that field AlreadyApplied was marked as TRUE in those images, even though the edits have not been written to the underlying JPEG. Here is a link to the image that John looked at: http://jonanscher.com/resources/DSCF9619.JPG

Here is my version info:

Lightroom CC version: 1.5 [ 20180807-1548-54800d7 ] (Aug  8 2018)Operating system: Mac OS 10
OS Version: 10.13 [6]
Application architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 8
Processor speed: 2.6 GHz
Built-in memory: 16,384.0 MB
Real memory available to Lightroom CC: 16,384.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom CC: 806.6 MB (4.9%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom CC: 5,696.3 MB
Memory cache size: 3,829.8 MB
Internal Camera Raw revision: 1001
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 1933MB / 8191MB (23%)
Camera Raw real memory: 1934MB / 16384MB (11%)
Displays: 1) 2560x1440

Lightroom Classic version: 7.5 [ 1186149 ]License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en-US
Operating system: Mac OS 10
Version: 10.13.6 [17G65]
Application architecture: x64
Logical processor count: 8
Processor speed: 2.6 GHz
Built-in memory: 16,384.0 MB
Real memory available to Lightroom: 16,384.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 2,430.8 MB (14.8%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 4,888.3 MB
Memory cache size: 1,922.8MB
Internal Camera Raw revision: 1001
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2,AVX,AVX2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 365MB / 8191MB (4%)
Camera Raw real memory: 366MB / 16384MB (2%)
Displays: 1) 2560x1440

And finally, here is a link to the original conversation where this was discovered: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/why-cant-jpeg-originals-be-exported-with-an-x...

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Rikk

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2 years ago

Jon,

Thus-far, I have been unable to replicate:

I tested like this.

1. Select JPEG (iPhone capture synced via direct cable connect add)
2. Edit
3. Save to: Original plus settings
4. Rename file on disk
5. Add to LrCC 1.5

Edit settings from step 2 are intact on newly imported version. .  I am also using 10.13.6 

6. Rename file from Step 3.
7. Import to Lightroom Classic CC 7.5

Edit settings from step 2 are intact. 

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hikingwithcamera

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Use the photo I linked above. John Ellis was able to replicate and figured out what happened, LR marked the AlreadyApplied field to TRUE even though the changes had not been written to image.

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Rikk

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Where did the photo come from Jon? Has any other software touched it?

I have tried three different photos (iPhone, Canon 5D Mark II and an image I grabbed off the web. They all work as expected.  


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hikingwithcamera

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The photo was shot with a Fujifilm X-T2, imported via my iPad into Phots then Lightroom Mobile. Edited in Lightroom Mobile and LRCC, possibly also LR Classic, but I don't think so. Not edited it any other apps. I have a slew of others as well. And you can see the video above in which I replicated the issue.

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Rikk

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If you shoot a JPEG with your X-T2 and import it into Lightroom CC directly and skip the iPad/Photos/Lightroom Mobile/ what happens?
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hikingwithcamera

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This happens inconsistently. I have a slew of pictures that act this way (at the time I had assumed it was a JPEG limitation, I didn't realize it was not expected behavior). I've imported new pictures since then, both through the iPad and macOS that have worked just fine. I can't point to anything different about the photos that are not working properly from the photos that are.

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hikingwithcamera

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Rikk, I just imported some photos today. 4 of the photos export from LRCC and import to Classic fine. 3 of them export from LRCC with adjustments, but import to Classic without the adjustments. I have shared two photos, one that does import correctly and one that does not into a Creative Cloud folder and shared it with you. Both photos were treated exactly the same (taken with a Fuji X-T2 in JPEG-only mode, imported from the SD card to Apple Photos on my iPad, imported to Lightroom Mobile on my iPad, had presets applied to them on mobile, and some adjustments, exported from LRCC desktop, auto-imported to Classic.

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Jon, I got the files you sent. Thank you. 

I have to ask this question:  "exported from LRCC desktop, auto-imported to Classic."

Is there are a reason you don't allow them to simply sync into Lightroom Classic CC direct from your iPad? That would be the preferred workflow in my mind. I've not encountered many workflows where an iPad to LrCC Desktop to export to Lightroom Classic workflow was required and I am struggling to understand the 'why' of it. 

Also "auto-imported"? Is this a Watched Folder import?
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I would love to have LR CC and LR Classic syncing. I started that way, but as a result of the sync, I was losing photos from LR CC due to irreparable sync errors. The only solution was to delete them from CC and re-import them, which lost their album affiliations in LR CC, and their folder locations in LR Classic. I was starting to get huge fragmentation issues, and was concerned I would lose pictures and not know how to find them, as dates don’t really have any meaning to me when it comes to locating pictures.

When I went to get support on the matter, the message from Adobe was that using both Classic and CC Libraries concurrently was not recommended. Several blogs I went to had said Adobe engineers had explained to them the intricacies of that sync, but would not allow them to post those intricacies. So I had no way of resolving the issue. At this point, I’ve been manually keeping my Lightroom Classic library in sync, which is a huge mess since there are likely many edits in LR CC that are not in Classic (if I edited in CC after exporting them to Classic).

At the moment, sync is simply turned off in Classic. Though if I turned it on, since they have been manually in sync, I’m not sure what would happen. If I could get them to reliably and stabile sync, I might consider it, but LR Classic is my all stop backup in the event that LR CC loses any more pictures, so I’m hesitant to even do that. That said, sync would solve a lot of my problems for the time being, and I’d probably even be willing to re-sort all the pictures back into folders if I could have sync working.

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I have auto-import setup in two ways. Auto-import in LR Mobile to import photos from Apple Photos into LR. The Auto Import (under the File menu in LR Classic) is setup to import photos from a watched folder into Classic.

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Rikk

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Lightroom CC for iOS on iPad to Lightroom Classic CC is an endorsed workflow.
Lightroom CC for iOS on iPad to Lightroom CC (desktop app) is also an endorsed workflow.

It is Lightroom CC Desktop to Lightroom Classic CC that can be problematic and should be avoided by the faint of heart.

That said, I will try your files with the workflow you've described and see if I see the same failure.  
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Oh, I misunderstood your original question. Why don't I skip LR CC Desktop and sync directly from iPad to LR Classic. My understanding is that you cannot directly sync your entire LR Classic Library with LR Mobile. You have to manually add photos to collections in order to sync them. Or have I misunderstood that?

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To additionally clarify, there is a twofold reason why I continue to use Classic: merging photos into panoramas and as a backup of my organizational structure, since my LR CC library is sorted by date, it would be a monumental task to recover that organizational structure if I lost it or had to move to different software. My LR Classic library, however, has a folder structure by topic/location/event that is incrementally backed up in case of user error, and guarantees that all my photos can be found even without Lightroom.

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Its fairly trivial to write a script that changes the XMP field from true to false. I did some testing at one point and had a script although I can't find it now. As a workaround, that might be the easiest fix.

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Okay, this bug just got worse. I tried pasting a slightly changed setting onto a bunch of photos in LR CC and I actually lost all the edits on some of my photos. (It pasted the one setting I copied, but then it cleared all the other settings in those photos). I can't figure out what the pattern is as to why some of those photos got reset. This is might be the nail in the coffin for me for LR CC.

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