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Lightroom: Export destroys keyword hierarchy when creating derivatives to be included in the catalog
I use a large keyword controlled vocabulary that I have organized by creating top level terms that have the "Include on Export" unchecked. When exporting or publishing for external use this works as expected. These top level terms are removed from the images.
The problem occurs if I want to create and save some special derivative files and keep them in my catalog by checking the "Add to This Catalog" option in the "Export Location" and "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" in the Metadata panel.
The result is that the derivative is created and automatically imported back into my catalog just as I intended. However, the keyword hierarchy is now completely missing and the bare keywords are added into the Keyword list as individual terms.
When the intent is to round trip the image back into the catalog the original keyword hierarchy should be kept completely intact.
This is also the case if I want to use export to create a derivative file to be processed by an external application and eventually imported back into Lightroom.
-louie
The problem occurs if I want to create and save some special derivative files and keep them in my catalog by checking the "Add to This Catalog" option in the "Export Location" and "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" in the Metadata panel.
The result is that the derivative is created and automatically imported back into my catalog just as I intended. However, the keyword hierarchy is now completely missing and the bare keywords are added into the Keyword list as individual terms.
When the intent is to round trip the image back into the catalog the original keyword hierarchy should be kept completely intact.
This is also the case if I want to use export to create a derivative file to be processed by an external application and eventually imported back into Lightroom.
-louie
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Rikk
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It may come back as-designed because you are Exporting and you have asked that top-level keyword not to export.
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robgendreau
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John_R_Ellis
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1. Tracking the exact copies of images exported for downstream use, e.g. sending images to a client and recording exactly what got sent, in case the client needs them again.
2. Creating a cataloged derivative using an external tool or application to process a copy of the image, which then gets reimported into the catalog.
Add To This Catalog supports use case 1 well, but as Louis observes, for use case 2 it doesn't work very well when some keywords are not marked for Include On Export.
However, the Edit In command was designed specifically for use case 2, preserving hierarchical keywording. Louis, perhaps you could elaborate on your use case and why Edit In doesn't work well for it?
I suspect those who rely on use case 1 would be upset if Add To This Catalog were changed, which suggests instead adding an additional option or feature.
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louis_sherwin
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This initially came to my attention because Nik HDR Efex Pro uses Export to prepare the HDR set, converting raw to TIFF for processing. And every time I would process an HDR image it would muck up my key word hierarchy.
I finally determined that it was easier to always remove all keywords prior to export and copy them back to the processed image afterwards.
-louie
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robgendreau
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Exporting and adding immediately to the catalog can result in flattened keyword hierarchies. http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
In addition, using a plugin like HDR Efex Pro via the Export... menu will also flatten the keyword hierarchy in the resultant file (TIFF) that is imported into Lr.
Using Photo>Edit in... and selecting certain other plugins, like those by MacPhun, can produce the same flattening. You are prompted to create a TIFF, which is edited by the plugin, and upon committing the changes the image is imported into Lr with a flattened keyword hiearchy.
In the case of HDR Efex, the flattened hierarchy is separated by carats. In the latter case, by commas.
In both cases the correct hierarchy is actually present in the files; it's written in correct order within the file's metadata in XMP in the proper hierarchy space. For some reason Lr ignores it.
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louis_sherwin
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As far as this topic is concerned I maintain it is a bug to offer the "Add to This Catalog" option and then to unilaterally remove some of the metadata.
Adobe could easily solve this whole situation by simply adding an option in the export dialog to keep ALL keywords. There is precedence for this in that they already recognize other classes of private data, people and location, where you can make explicit choices to keep or exclude.
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John_R_Ellis
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shai_schcolnik_3459271
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it affects a large number of users (the more advanced ones)
isn't adobe going to fix this?
I rather not get my keyword list messed up instead of getting a new feature added to LR
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