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Lightroom: Don't Remove Fill Light Slider
Do Not Remove "Fill Light" Slider in Lightroom 4 final
Because "Shadows" Slider in LR 4 Beta not working well on soft shadows its effect only hard shadow i am working as wedding travel photographer so in natural light photographs special in portraits some time soft shadows appear in eye area so "Fill Light" slider work better then Shadow slider
Because "Shadows" Slider in LR 4 Beta not working well on soft shadows its effect only hard shadow i am working as wedding travel photographer so in natural light photographs special in portraits some time soft shadows appear in eye area so "Fill Light" slider work better then Shadow slider
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rob_cole_2221866
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9 years ago
I'm guessing any attempt to affect improvement at this point MUST be accompanied by examples of how desired results were NOT achievable with given toolset (or it took inordinately long to do so).
For example, I can already hear the defenders gears turning: well just up the exposure to reach further into the upper tones, then downplay the highlights to compensate. To which I would add: use the tone curve to fine tune.
Begging the question: have you tried these things?
Honestly, I have a love/hate relationship with Lr4(b1). More adjustment range with the new sliders is a really good thing, but sometimes they result in a weird tonal distribution that is hard to correct without resorting to tone curve and/or locals (not to mention color issues).
Summary: I miss the fill-light slider too. Its gradual lightening from darkest to lightest was smooth like silk, and brightness also was smooth (affecting its tones in a manner which did not redistribute relative relationships...) so compensating for excessive reach of fill-light using negative brightness still resulted in a natural organic look - one that did not yank the tones around and separate things in weird ways. Still, I think our options are:
- Learn to use the new controls as is, as best we can.
- Really convince Adobe to make some changes, if possible.
I doubt they will just toss the fill-light (and/or brightness) back in, due to popular demand... (but I could be wrong ;-}
Rob
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rob_cole_2221866
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9 years ago
See related thread:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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paul_cockerill
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9 years ago
I like the new controls but whats wrong in leaving the old ones too maybe a seperate legacy tone control panel so you can choose which you use.
Probably a coding nightmare but it would be really nice to see.
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paul_cockerill
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9 years ago
I've had a look and switching between the two processes every +10 increments of fill appears to translate as +20 Exposure, -10 Highlights and +10 Shadows.
It doesn't faithfully reproduce between processes though so you can't really swap and change.
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barry_pressman
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rob_cole_2221866
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9 years ago
http://forums.adobe.com/message/42360...
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rob_cole_2221866
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9 years ago
Sorry if I seem wishy-washy, but the truth is:
For some photos, Lr4 can do a better job, and for other photos, Lr3 fill is better.
Hoping this can be improved before final release, but I think people should be preparing themselves that they may have to use locals as supplement (not even tone curve is enough to cut it in some cases), or be processing some photos with PV2010 instead, or just be willing to accept that some photos processed with PV2012 will be inferior to what they would have been in PV2010 and try not to worry about it too much...
Cheers,
Rob
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cedward_brice
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9 years ago
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Please bring back the Fill Light Slider in LR4.
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rob_cole_2221866
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9 years ago
+shadows +exposure -highlights
will respond well to:
+blacks +exposure -whites
and simple tone curve to reseat the blacks.
Using this technique, I can now fill many previously problematic photos in Lr4 to be superior to Lr3.
There may still be some corner cases, but this tip reduces their number.
Rob
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jennifer_roberts_2885072
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9 years ago
I still have my LR3 preset of course, and I like (actually am thrilled with) LR4 generally - highlight management is actually vastly improved - but fill light was a single slider that I used constantly and I would love it to come back.
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tore_riise
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8 years ago
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: return Fill light.
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allan_olesen
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8 years ago
Do you first import as Process 2012 and then convert to 2010? If so, why this unnecessary step?
Make Process 2010 a part of your import preset. Forget that 2012 ever existed. Problem solved. Takes less time than writing a forum post - which will not solve the problem anyway.
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rob_cole_2221866
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8 years ago
-blacks will help seat the blacks - that's the easy part to learn, but +blacks (even very large values) can also be combined for smooth fill, which keeps intra-shadow contrast lower (which can be good if you are otherwise having to use large +shadows values to get enough fill, and still needing -blacks to seat...): often requires a debrightening curve and/or inwardly moved black-point to reseat. hot tip: +blacks loves +clarity.
also, +whites, often in conjunction with some combination of -exposure +shadows -highlights -contrast can help fully expose without over-exposing mids or over-compressing highlights. when +whites allows one to get by with less contrast (and still be contrasty & not hazy looking...), it can also be serving as a key participant in "shadow filling". (doesn't work on every photo, but some: very much so).
Finally, if +exposure and/or +whites is jamming the top end too much before reaching full exposure / sufficient clipping (happens occasionally in pv12), back off on either or both and move white point in on the point curve. Not directly related to fill, except that if you are trying to use exposure to do more of the heavy lifting, fill-wise, (or hoping to use more +whites to keep from needing so much +contrast), you may run into this problem...
Rob
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andrew_rodney
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8 years ago
http://mulita.com/blog/?p=3945
Author “Color Management for Photographers"
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