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Wed, Jul 15, 2020 5:50 PM

Lightroom Classic: Virtual Copy in Collections

When generating a virtual copy from within a collection, the copy doesn't appear in the collection but does in the "archive" with the originals.

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2 months ago

Lightroom Desktop (Cloud-based) does not support Virtual Copies. Can you verify the version number of Lightroom that you are using to generate this copy?

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2 months ago

Sorry, did I indicate the Cloud version?  If I did, I'm referring to the desktop version.

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2 months ago

What is your installed Lightroom Version Number?

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2 months ago

Hi Rikk:

I have 9.3 installed.  I think this is a glitch rather than that I'm doing something odd.  I've been using LR since its very first introduction.  Are you aware of anywhere that I can specifically report a possible issue?

Miguel

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2 months ago

You posted this in 'Lightroom Desktop (Cloud-based)', hence the confusion. In Lightroom Classic, a virtual copy should only appear in the collection that was selected while you created that copy. It will not appear in any other collection the original image may be in. It will appear in the 'All Photographs' collection (I assume that is what you mean with 'the archive') and in the image folder.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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You posted this in 'Lightroom Desktop (Cloud-based)'. That is 'the other Lightroom', hence the confusion. In Lightroom Classic, a virtual copy should only appear in the normal collection that was selected while you created that copy. It will not appear in any other collection the original image may be in. It will appear in the 'All Photographs' collection (I assume that is what you mean with 'the archive') and in the image folder. If you were in a smart collection while you created the copy, then the virtual copy may or may not appear. That depends on the criteria of the smart collection.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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2 months ago

Hi Johan:

Actually by "archive" what I meant was the folder on the HD with the originals.  Yes, I'm aware that if I generate a Virtual Copy within a Collection it will only appear there and no other collection,  However, it will also appear in the folder with the originals.

The issue I'm having is that the Virtual Copy that I'm generating while in a collection, isn't appearing there.  I'm sure it's a glitch.

Miguel

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Are you looking at that folder in the Lightroom folder panel or in the Macintosh Finder / Windows Explorer? Because it is virtual, you can only see it in the Lightroom folder panel, not outside of Lightroom.

If you do not see it in the Lightroom folder panel, then check that you do not have an active filter that hides it.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Miguel you need to understand some facts about Collections, Virtual Copies and the LrC catalog.

Collections are just LISTS of Image File names. Just like if you sat at your kitchen table and made a list on a piece of paper of records, CDs & DVDs you own. None of those objects are actually IN that list.

And on that note there are No Images IN the LrC catalog file. The catalog file is just a Database file where a Record, A Reference, is made in that database file to where your images are stored on your hard drives and what edits you make to them.
So your term Archive is a misnomer. There is NO other place all your images exist other than where they are stored on your computers hard drive. They are NOT IN the LrC catalog file and an Archived copy on your hard drive. So If you have not made a Complete second copy, a Backup Copy, of all your images on some other hard drive connected to your computer I suggest you do that As Soon As Possible.

As to Virtual Copies. They do NOT Exist. They are VIRTUAL like a Virtual Reality. It does not exist. There is No Second copy of that image file on your hard drive.
If you are in a Folder (In the Folders section of left hand side panel) and create a VC of any file it only shows when in that folder or in the All Photographs link in the Catalog section of that same side panel. 
If you created a VC while you were in a Collection it will only show while In that collection, or the folder the actual image is stored in or in the All Photographs link.
It will not show in any other collection where that image might be in the list of images in that collection.

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2 months ago

Retagged as Classic

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2 months ago

A viirtual copy does not exists as a real image so what did you see in the past on your HD?

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2 months ago

Thanks to everyone that's taken the time to offer insights.  I am very familiar with how LIghtroom works, having been using it since its very first version.  The issue was clearly described earlier in this conversation.

I know where virtual copies do and don't appear and this is regarding a glitch and or lag in how long it's taking LR to display the Virtual Copy in the corresponding Collection.

Again, thanks to everyone for piping in and I think we can put this to rest.

BTW, Victoria, thanks for retagging.

One last thing.  Other than here, is there a more appropriate avenue for reporting glitches?

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2 months ago

This is the correct place to report bugs. However, I cannot duplicate the behavior you are seeing.

  1. Create Collection
  2. Drop image into collection
  3. Create Virtual Copy
Copy is created in collection. 

Are you trying this in a standard or smart collection?

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2 months ago

This is a standard collection.  I haven't tried again today, so it may have been an internal OS hickup. I'll let you know if it persists.  Thanks for your time.