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12 Messages

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436 Points

Sat, Apr 7, 2012 4:25 AM

Not a problem

Lightroom Classic: Trouble with Canon 5d Mark III aspect ratio

Today I imported RAW images I shot on the Canon 5d3 with the camera set to Add Cropping Information set to 4:5 ratio. Crop lines are displayed on the camera LCD but you see the full frame outside of the crop when review files. Alarmingly, when I imported them to LR 4.1 RC, the images appeared cropped to 4:5. I though ok, I'll just go to the crop tool and I will see that a crop has been applied and I'll remove it. Unfortunately, there was no file beyond the crop lines, it could not be removed as far as I could tell. I called Canon and they told me to try Digital Photo Professional, a program that I never pay attention to. Sure enough, the images were intact when viewed there. There appears to be a bug when LR 4.1 RC encounters the crop tag on the raw file.

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4 Messages

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106 Points

8 years ago

David, I used the De-aspect plugin for Lightroom, discussed here:
http://forums.adobe.com/message/43436...
It may work for you as well.

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170 Points

8 years ago

There seems to be light at the end of the tunnel:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/ca...

It's not mentioned in the release notes of LR4.2RC but under CRAW7.2RC they say: "This functionality is available to the newly supported cameras in both Lightroom 4.2 RC and Camera Raw 7.2 RC."

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6.1K Messages

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106.1K Points

Consider it a hint that things are heading in the right direction.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

4 Messages

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106 Points

Good news! :)

Employee

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629 Messages

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11.5K Points

Yes, unfortunately we could not directly provide this functionality for already-supported models, but on the plus side we will have a solution for you before long.

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170 Points

Does that mean, it will only work for the newly supported cams? Not for Olympus OM-D, not EOS5-III?

Champion

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Axel, just read Eric's comment again. The functionality you can see in the RC is only for new cameras, but they have something else up their sleeve for existing ones, which would include those you mentioned.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

Employee

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629 Messages

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11.5K Points

Yes, the release notes also state that the built-in functionality is only currently available for newly-supported camera models.

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106 Points

When might the solution for the other cameras be available? I'm a 5DIII owner, and this thread was started by another 5DIII owner, so I imagine there is a lot of interest in the solution for that camera.

Also, will the fix for DNG files be part of the "built-in functionality"?

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104 Points

8 years ago

Please fix this "intended behavior." This is unacceptable performance. I spent 3 1/2 hours on tech support with Adobe's inadequate call center in India trying to get this issue taken care of. Obviously, I wasted my time. Why would Adobe not fix this issue? Come on Adobe! Don't ruin my love for your product.

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104 Points

8 years ago

So, obviously Adobe doesn't plan to fix this. What is the work around? Does Aperture handle this problem correctly? I am not satisfied with the processing results in Canon's Digital Photo Professional.

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13.8K Points

The simple workaround is just to shoot native in-camera. There's really no reason not to.

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104 Points

There are many reasons not to. If you shoot for magazines, you need a very specific crop. It is much easier if you can compose this in camera.

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104 Points

Why so antagonistic?

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13.8K Points

I was just giving you the solution. You have plenty of pixels available to crop so just eyeball it and shoot slightly loose if recover edges is an insufficient solution for you.

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90 Points

8 years ago

Adobe has a "DNG Recover Edges" Plug-in will allow you to recover the full image file. But, the file must be converted to DNG first. A little time consuming, but it does work. I haven't checked to see if LR4.3 fixed the problem.

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104 Points

8 years ago

Thank you David. I am working on the DNG conversion now. LR4.3 did not fix the issue. Let's hope for a fix in Lightroom 5!

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13.8K Points

Possibly, but unlikely, as stated above:

"Yes, unfortunately we could not directly provide this functionality for already-supported models,..."

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60 Points

6 years ago

This is also a problem for me with 5d iii files with embedded cropping information.

Let me point out that if i shoot raw with my canon s110 compact camera which shoot natively in 4:3, when importing to Lightroom, i get a soft cropped 3:2 image, that's cropping can be modifyed. I see no difference why it shouldn't work the same behavior with my 5D iii's raw files.

This is ridiculous Adobe.

Employee

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629 Messages

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11.5K Points

Unfortunately, we can't change the existing 5D3 support (even though technically we know how to do it) because that would post a backward compatibility issue for the images that folks have already shot.  In particular, many 5D3 images that have already been cropped by the user in ACR/Lr would suddenly appear to have a different crop, and that would be far worse.  My suggestion:  If you have a 5D3, don't set the in-camera crop (always leave it to full 3:2 aspect ratio).

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80 Points

Too late, Eric. Poor decision. I now have a huge shoot I have to redo since I was not aware of this design anomaly. Very poor thinking. Will you pay for me to redo it all with the client? Geez, incredible and disappointing. Much of LRs productivity gain goes out of the window here in one go...

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134 Points

Poor decision on Adobe’s part!!

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80 Points

6 years ago

Poor decision. I now have a huge shoot I have to redo since I was not aware of this design anomaly. Very poor thinking. Will you pay for me to redo it all with the client? Geez, incredible and disappointing.

And finding + installing and using DPP an dthen doing it all in that is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Much of LRs productivity gain goes out of the window here in one go.

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6 years ago

No need to redo anything Michael. Just use the DNG Recover Edges plugin to access the additional data. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/li...

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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134 Points

Wrong Victoria - When making DNG files, Lr uses the crop data used in the 5D3 camera settings. So the DNG files don’t have the full 3:2 aspect ratio data of the original CR2 files.

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Note the difference Gary. I specified using the DNG Recover Edges plug-in to recover the extra data, not normal DNG conversion. For cameras added after ACR 4.2 (that's way back in 2012), the cropped data is accessible without that extra process.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.