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10.5K Points

Thu, Aug 11, 2011 7:04 AM

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Lightroom Classic: Support cataloging PSB files (files larger than 2 GB PSDs and 4 GB TIFFs)

Lightroom should catalog psb files, just as it does psd files. I have many psb files that are not over the 65,000 pixels per side or 512 megapixel limits, but are larger than the 4GB limit on psd files, and it would be nice to see them in Lightroom.

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174 Points

8 years ago

Hello Adobe development team.
In the last months, i more and more make gigapanoramas, that are stitched together from several hundred up to thousands of single fotos.

This will give pictures of many many gigapixel. And file sizes of 2 GB or much more.

One recent gigapano i have done is made of 200 jpeg files from Canon 5DM2, and due to overlapping the resulting file size is 110824 x 16263 pixel, 1.8 gigapixel, and 13,4 GB filesize. A .psb file.

As i remember, .psb is a format owned by Adobe. So i don ́t understand why this is not supported by Lightroom, a software that is dedicated to lossless manipulating pictures.

Yes, of course the stitching sofwate can render cropped files. But rendering gigapanos takes a long time. The example picture above takes approximately 8 hours to render.

So it would be a great help and time saver if there were a software that can crop gigapanos in much less than 8 hours.

Thank you!

greetings from germany
Christian Stüben

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
LR4 feature request: please support large picture format .psb files.

4 Messages

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142 Points

8 years ago

I am also finding more and more of my final images going beyond the 4gb Tiff/LR4 limit. It is time for Adobe to bring LR up to speed to handle todays photographic possibilities.

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80 Points

7 years ago

I use a Nikon D800 and have many, many processed multi-layered files saved a .psb.......many are panos or HDRs. I am shocked to discover that the LR catalog cannot handle these files!

This is an Adobe file format, for crying out loud!!!! This weakness should have been fixed a long time ago!

479 Messages

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10.5K Points

7 years ago

three years, 22 likes, no response from Adobe. Do you think that they are listening?

23 Messages

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714 Points

6 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Add .PSB Support to Lightroom.


Please add the ability for Lightroom to read and catalog .PSB files. It is very surprising that Lightroom cannot support this format which is essentially a PSD with a greater file size.

3 Messages

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80 Points

6 years ago

It appears that Adobe is only interested in shoving CC down our throats....but NOT interested in fixing basic limitations in their software!

23 Messages

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714 Points

6 years ago

Indeed, I thought the idea of CC was constant updates, but wow didn't know that this ask goes back 3 years! Bridge has support for .PSB, why is it not in adobe flagship workflow product (Lightroom) which they are trying to push to all the existing aperture users. Adobe, please give this a look.

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102 Points

6 years ago

Yet another plea for Lightroom to support PSB files. As well as Lightroom having the just being able to 'read' and 'catalog' PSB files I would also like the option to 'edit in Photoshop' with PSB.

It is pretty boring to start in PSD and then get told my file size is too big and having to switch to PSD. I really cant see any disadvantage of starting in PSB to begin with

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5.6K Messages

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98.1K Points

6 years ago

A follow-up and partial solution for this three-year-old discussion: My Any File Lightroom plugin lets you catalog virtually any file type in your LR catalog, as long as Finder (Mac) or Explorer (Windows) can display thumbnails for that file type. On Windows, you can use a third-party plugin from Ardfry Imaging to get PSB thumbnails. But on Mac, Adobe and Apple have long refused to implement PSB thumbnails for the Finder, even though it is pretty easy technically. So there wasn't any practical way to catalog PSBs with LR/Any File.

After complaints from a number of Any File users, I finally got around to implementing a Mac Quick Look plugin that provides PSB thumbnails and previews for the Finder (and thus Any File / Lightroom). The plugin handles both PSBs and PSDs, and compared to the default Mac previews, it is up to ten time faster on very large PSDs. The plugin also shows low-quality previews and thumbnails for files saved without the Maximize Compatibility option (as compared to the default Mac previews, which are blank).

The plugin is currently in beta, and you can try it for free:

http://www.johnrellis.com/photoshop/p...

I'm not an expert Mac programmer, so the plugin very possibly has bugs at this stage. (I'd greatly prefer that Adobe or Apple, who do have expert programmers, provide this functionality.)

49 Messages

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752 Points

6 years ago

Please add support for PSB,.. my catalog is incomplete now!
it's a pain to go into the finder everytime,.. also it makes you forget that the file was there. I don't care if it's non editable but just to see it would be a great help!

thanks,
Mark

49 Messages

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752 Points

6 years ago

also, if you make them it seems very silly to not support them

49 Messages

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752 Points

3 years later,... can't believe this is still not fixed!
really?? You first make up a (great) file format and now you don't support it. 
unbelievable. ☹️

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234 Points

Lightroom was always a transitional product.  It had an image processor and a database management system.  Other products like Phase One and Photoshop now have almost all of the image processing features of Lightroom.  You would think that Adobe would emphasize the database side.  Most professional and many serious amateur photographers have image databases containing thousands of objects. These databases each represent a considerable investment in time and money.  I am not aware of any product that competes with Lightroom's capabilities to maintain large catalogues with keywords and suchlike.  However, if pressed, I could make do with Photoshop and perhaps Adobe Bridge.
By not supporting the many new cameras with big sensors and high shutter rates, Adobe is writing off many of the leaders in its customer base. By not improving tethered input they are writing off many others. I guess they were signaling that when they renamed it Lightroom Classic.  If they concentrate on the lower end of the bell curve, someone like Apple will destroy their entire business model with a $20 app.
I don't know about others, but I often get asked by Adobe about what is needed for Lightroom.  I have several times mentioned the lack of support for .psb files.

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102 Points

It really is time LR supported PSB files, modern camera resolutions are increasing all the time, couple that with large panoramas, focus stacking and luminosity masks and you soon exceed the file size limit of 2Gb for PSD and 4Gb for TIFF. I don't mind having to use PSB for large files but, to get them catalogued, I have to resort to various cludges which waste time. I can't see why LR can't support a proprietary Adobe file format.

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132 Points

Given that this thread is seven years old I think it's clear that Adobe aren't listening at all.  I'm amazed that they think it's acceptable for them not to support their own image file format within Lightroom.  Imagine a car manufacturer not supporting it's own parts and the disgrace and criticism it would face.  

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4.5K Points

It is not so much that Adobe is not supporting their own file format; that's a red herring.  The issue is that the underlying Lightroom catalog—which is a database built on SQLite—has size limitations.

For Adobe to increase the sizes of supported files would mean a structural change to a full-fledged relational database such as MS SQL or Oracle.  SQLite is basically free; the others cost money.  A great deal of money.

Therein lies the rub.

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132 Points

Then might I suggest they provide a Lightroom-based automated / automatic way of referencing PSB files for those of us that have thousands of them.  For example, whenever Lightroom Import sees a PSB file it has a check box that affords the user the option to add a reference image of the PSB to the catalog without having to add the actual PSB file.  

Frankly, if there are limitations that can't be resolved then IMO Adobe should be actively looking for a suitable workaround.  It's clear that the demand for PSB support is enough to warrant a response / reaction.

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4.5K Points

I agree completely.  However the cost, Adobe needs to move away from the open-source freebie database engine regardless.  So many of the performance issues users are seeing could be wiped away like magic if the program was built on a solid foundation.

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7.9K Points

Hold the phone. What’s this now about the database not being able to store a PSB? The database definitely does not store the image file within but merely references it. Isn’t it more of an artificial rendering limitation? I don’t see the huge challenge for them here. Seems like they could reference the PSB and force “Smart Previews Only” for rendering. Or handle them for now like they deal with video: show the preview but no Develop (or limited editing).

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132 Points

Absolutely agree.  At the very least, creating a Smart Preview would allow us to actually 'see' our PSB files in our databases.  Perhaps right-clicking the thumbnail would then allow users to edit the original referenced PSB file in Photoshop and update the  Smart Preview in Lightroom.

294 Messages

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4.5K Points

Sean, you are correct that LR references the image file, but it does host the previews and when generating previews from files the size Carson is using, the underlying DB simply cannot handle the preview file size.

You can see this issue "live" when LR is building previews from large image files (85MB)—the free space in the drive where the preview cache is stored drops dramatically in real time, especially if the preview building has 1,000 or more images.  We're talking 100GB plus.

I can't imagine what happens when the image files is 2-4GB—20 to 40 times the size of a raw file from a 50MP camera.

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806 Points

6 years ago

I would like to add my support for Lightroom at least CATALOGING PSB files... Even if you are not able to work on them in the develop module... I would at least like to know that they file is sitting there in my collection.. I forgot that a file I had been working on was a PSB and even though I created a psd for it to show up in Lightroom I had forgotten that it was a PSB and thought I had inadvertently flattened it at some point (while changing color space for delivery - the default - stupid - but that is ANOTHER topic) so spent the last hour tracking down a layered file that I already was in possession of!

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5.6K Messages

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98.1K Points

Agreed. See my post a few messages above about a plugin-based workaround. Not as good as having it builtin, though.

479 Messages

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10.5K Points

the anyfile Lightroom plugin and the psb thumbnail plugin make a great combination, and have made cataloging psb files much easier for me.

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120 Points

This would be my request too. I've just been working on a poster which comprises several high quality images of people to appear as if they were all present for one photo. I was working in PSD and it just outgrew the filesize limit and became PSB. Suddenly I have to go outside of Lightroom just to open the file because it's not listed... but it's still part of the Lightroom workflow for me.

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5.6K Messages

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98.1K Points

You might be able to get by using TIFFs.  PSDs have a maximum size of 2 GB, while TIFFs can go to 4 GB.   Once you go over 4 GBs, you need to use PSBs.

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80 Points

6 years ago

Apparently the psb thumbnail plugin is MAC only....

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5.6K Messages

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98.1K Points

There's a Windows-equivalent plugin:

http://www.ardfry.com/psd-codec/

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714 Points

6 years ago

With the soon to be released 50 Megapixel Canon 5Ds and 5Ds R, Adobe will have wake up as file sizes get much bigger. There will be a more compelling argument to include PSB in Lightroom (even if its just for cataloging). I really hope they add this with Lightroom 6.

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714 Points

6 years ago

Lightroom CC\6 was released with zero support for PSB.Its just odd that Bridge can view PSD but Adobe cant implement this in LR even at just a viewing level without the development module.