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Fri, Feb 28, 2020 8:43 PM
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Lightroom Classic: Spot removal behavior on image edge
Lately, I am getting different (poor) behavior when using the spot removal tool in heal mode on the edge of an un-cropped image.
For example: if I have a mostly black edge of an image (say, a groom's black tux jacket), with a little bit of white along one small portion of the edge (say, a crease in the jacket and I can see a little bit of white wall behind the jacket), if I spot-remove the white, formerly it would completely wipe the white out, leaving only black (or shades of black, if you will). But lately it's acting as if I'm not surrounding the entire white area with my spot, and leaving some white blurry bleed in the healed area. Doesn't matter if I define a smaller heal area that's just beyond the white area, or a huge heal area that's far beyond it... circular or un-circular spots... and no matter where I move the sample area around.
I just started noticing it in the past day, but it may have been around longer. It's happened on multiple images, in different situations, and I have been careful to make sure the image is not cropped or lens-corrected or transformed... so I'm definitely not picking up any area/white outside of the visible edge. It never used to do this, so I believe it's likely a bug.
For example: if I have a mostly black edge of an image (say, a groom's black tux jacket), with a little bit of white along one small portion of the edge (say, a crease in the jacket and I can see a little bit of white wall behind the jacket), if I spot-remove the white, formerly it would completely wipe the white out, leaving only black (or shades of black, if you will). But lately it's acting as if I'm not surrounding the entire white area with my spot, and leaving some white blurry bleed in the healed area. Doesn't matter if I define a smaller heal area that's just beyond the white area, or a huge heal area that's far beyond it... circular or un-circular spots... and no matter where I move the sample area around.
I just started noticing it in the past day, but it may have been around longer. It's happened on multiple images, in different situations, and I have been careful to make sure the image is not cropped or lens-corrected or transformed... so I'm definitely not picking up any area/white outside of the visible edge. It never used to do this, so I believe it's likely a bug.
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tpnotes
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a year ago
I was surprised about this since I have not noticed such a poor behaviour of the spot removal tool for quite a while.
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bill_3305731
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a year ago
Perhaps it is time to start a movement to get Adobe to revert Lightroom to 9.1 as 9.2 is a terribly buggy release?
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Victoria_Bampton_Lightroom_Queen
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Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen
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Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.
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tpnotes
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a year ago
Spot removal tool was set to healing, feather = 0 and opacity = 100. These settings have led to the "best" results. Changing the size of the spot removal tool has no effect.
(I use Lightroom with the German localization, so I hope I have guessed the proper English terms)
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anthony_blackett
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a year ago
I noticed that having lens profile correction on actually 'crops' the edge, but the spot removal tool acts as though it is working on the image data before the lens correction is applied.
Here is an example of spot removal of a leaf that appears on the edge of a lens profile corrected image. The before and after shows how much the lens profile has 'cropped' the edge.
Clicking on the leaf with the spot removal tool in heal mode and moving the sample point results in a smudge.
I think the smudge is due to Lr blending with part of the leaf that is 'outside' the lens corrected image, but 'inside' the original image boundary. Turning the lens profile correction off shows this more clearly.
This has always been a problem with cropped images, but I didn't realise it is also a problem with lens profile corrected images!
I've argued in the past about this problem in cropped images where the spot removal on the edge of a cropped image can sample and blend with image data outside the crop boundary, which is often undesired. Here we have the same problem, except the crop is less obvious.
Tony
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michael_demaria_2r8kigbce54f8
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a year ago
I've been using Lr professionally on a near-daily basis for over 10 years, and while it could've been me or some odd situation with the few particular images (but being as it was more than one image I don't think that's the case)... it was definitely behaving differently lately than it used to, so not the expected or usual behavior at all, so I thought I'd raise the issue.
Strangely, I just tried to reproduce it to get some screen shots but couldn't. So maybe it was something odd going on with my computer or me. :) But as I mentioned the image had an all-black edge (a groom's tux jacket standing partially out of frame), except for a little sliver area of white. I tried to remove the white area, sampling with my spot far beyond the white, far into the black. In the past it would completely remove 100% of the white, leaving only black, but when I raised the issue it was leaving behind some white. No matter where I sampled, how far into the black my spot was, how big or small it was, etc.
BTW, again it wasn't my issue in this case, but I do agree with Tony that it would be great if Lr treated the edge of a cropped image as if it were the actual edge of the image, as far as spot healing goes. There's been countless times when I've had to un-crop an image before I heal, then re-crop it. Not a huge deal, but would be nice...
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anthony_blackett
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a year ago
The frame edge spot removal in heal mode problem has been raised before:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/spot-removal-in-heal-mode-doesnt-work-properly-at-a-crop-boundary-edge
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/latest-lr-buggy-spot-removal-tool-doesnt-work-right-at-edges-of-image
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todd_shaner_6660895
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anthony_blackett
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8 months ago
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/9-3-update-apparent-bug-with-healing-tool?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new_topic&utm_content=topic_link
LrC 9.3 fixed another problem with the Spot healing tool on the image frame edge for CR2 files:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/repair-brush-bug-in-lr9-1?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new_reply&utm_content=topic_link
Whatever was done in this fix has made Spot healing on the image frame edge very bad for everyone.
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konrad_sarnowski
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bill_3305731
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8 months ago
Just checked some Fuji S2 Pro (jpeg) images with 48 spots removed with 9.2, no issues. Removed a couple additional spots with 9.3.
Also no issues.
D300S & D200 DNG's edited prior to 9.3, also no problems. D200 NEF, fine. Fuji X-T3 RAF OK too. Olympus EM1 ORF files display correctly too.
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davidfarquhar
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5 months ago
I've had this before and just noticed something that might help.
In my photo I have an intruding tree coming into the photo which is uncropped
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