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3.7K Points

Mon, Oct 17, 2016 1:40 PM

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Lightroom Classic: Option to stop syncing photos in a Collection when that Collection is stopped from syncing

Bring back the possibility to stop a Collection from being synced AND stop photos in that Collection from being synced as well, in one-step.

Since LR CC 2015.7 this happens when you stop syncing a Collection (clicking the little sync icon or deselecting Sync with Lightroom Mobile via mouse contextual menu):



(Now you have to go and find those photos in that Collection from All Synced Photographs and remove them from there. Too many steps, too cumbersome and too easy to make a user error.)

There still is the requested option to remove photos at the same time when you delete a Synced Collection instead of just stopping it from syncing:



That same option should appear for just stopping the Collection being synced as well.

The first dialog for stopping a Collection from being synced is messy altogether as it asks if the user wants to "Stop syncing these photos?" but the button for doesn't actually stop syncing the photos and instead keeps those photos synced to LR Mobile and Web and just stops syncing the Collection name.

So at least more correct title could be "Stop syncing this Collection?" and that's not enough as there needs to be a way to stop syncing a Collection AND stop syncing photos in that Collection, in one step (unless they are part of another Synced Collection).

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Employee

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137 Messages

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2.3K Points

3 years ago

Hi Detlef,

The 'All Synced Photographs' is basically a master collection to filter all your synced photographs  from different Lr mobile clients.  So if you remove this master collection,  then the synced images will be a part of your catalog ('All photos') and synced collections if any. Filtering it out based on sync status is what is important here.

Milan and Detlef, thanks for your feedbacks anyway.  We will try to figure out what best can be done in this area.

Thanks,
Arjun

44 Messages

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3.1K Points

Arjun, is there a solution for this daily problem: Let's say I have

- 100 pictures in "all synced photographs"
- 5 of them are part of a synced collection, let's name it "favourites"

Now I want to remove the other 95 from "all synced photographs". If select all 100 and say "remove from all synced photographs", the 5 nice pics are removed from "the collection called "favourites" too.

How can I get rid of all the syncing without destroying my other collections? Do I have to look at every one of the 100 pictures to check, whether it is in a collection or not?

Regards, Detlef

Employee

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137 Messages

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2.3K Points

Hi Detlef,

The logic goes like this :

1) If an image is part of a synced collection, then invariably it is part of "All synced photographs" (ASP). Because  All synced photographs is a master collection which houses all the synced photos.

2) An image can be synced with/without being in a synced collection.

3) If you remove an image from  ASP, then it will be removed from all synced collections. But it cannot be the other way round. That means, if you remove an image from a synced collection, it need not necessarily delete from ASP (as there are chances that it might be referenced in other synced collections). 
So you have an option to choose whether you want the photo to be in ASP or not, when you remove an image from a synced collection.

Now coming back to your question,
a) Easier workaround is unsync "Favorites" collection.
b) Delete all photos from "All sync photos" (assuming you dont need the rest 95 to be synced)
c) Resync the Favorites collection (only your 5 photos are added back to ASP)

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Arjun

44 Messages

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3.1K Points

Arjun, thanks for the workaround!

The only problem is, that after unsyncing and resyncing all the public links are changed (I share a lot of them). So it is not a real solution, but at least a workaround that can help from time to time. Thanks for looking at the problem  – and hoping for a feature, that helps to unsync all pictures, that are not intended to be synced by collections. The actual status is so confusing. Imagine a photo would be removed from collection A just because I deleted it in collection B.

I still think this ASP should be sent to the moon and new pictures should be added to one of the existing collections instead. If a picture is removed from all the different synced collections, syncing stops.

Regards, Detlef

Champion

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488 Messages

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8.9K Points

A simpler workaround still:

1. Select the 5 images in "Favourites", then click on All Synced Photographs
2. Edit menu: Invert Selection
3. This will de-select the 5 images in "Favourites" and select the remaining 95.
4. Right-click on any one of those 95 and select "Remove from All Synced Photographs"

Doing it this way retains the existing shared links.

9 Messages

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234 Points

My synced collections are now completely messed up! When I go to my iPad I suddenly have 2000+ Lightroom Photos. Where did that come from? Well it took me an hour to figure it out. It turns out that even though I had stopped syncing several Collections, Lightroom has decided for me - that I should keep syncing them to my iPad. Why? I don't want those Collections to appear on my iPad in one big amorphous lump. When I try to remove them from Catalog>All Synced Photographs, they are removed from the Collection on my desktop Lightroom also! Huh??? But I still want to keep those Collections on my desktop. They are valuable to me. I only want to stop syncing them, maybe permanently maybe only temporarily. And I had finally decided to get familiar with LR mobile and it started behaving great - easy to whip out the iPad and show a specific bunch of images to the relevant person. I got used to this great and wonderful resource. Now it's a mess. 

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234 Points

By the way, we had been asking for a feature for LR mobile for over a year: watermarks on our images. Instead, we get a horrible feature nobody asked for. 

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234 Points

And another thing: I was wondering why my Lightroom was acting so funny yesterday - so slow, taking ages to carry out each Develop module action. So I paused "Sync with LR mobile" and my workflow speeded back up to normal. I think what was happening is all that syncing was going on in the background - Lightroom carrying out its own new "All Synced Photographs" command. If so, it's another reason to abandon this terrible innovation as it really slows down the processing.

Employee

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137 Messages

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2.3K Points

Hi Esther,

1) If an image is part of a synced collection, then invariably it is part of "All synced photographs" (ASP). Because  All synced photographs is a master collection which houses all the synced photos.

2) An image can be synced with/without being in a synced collection. 

3) If you remove an image from  ASP, then it will be removed from all synced collections. But it cannot be the other way round. That means, if you remove an image from a synced collection, it need not necessarily delete from ASP (as there are chances that it might be referenced in other synced collections). 
So you have an option to choose whether you want the photo to be in ASP or not, when you remove an image from a synced collection.

However, if you unsync a collection and then delete the photos from All synced photographs, then the images that is part of the unsynced collection are not deleted.

Thanks,
Arjun

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134 Points

Hello, 

is there any progress regarding this issue ?

And if its true that we have chance to sync individual photo from Lightroom to Lightroom mobile wouldn't be great if we can add some filter after clicking on icon "sync this collection with Lightroom mobile"  for example share only 1star +, or share picked..

usually at wedding I took 4000+ photos and immediately after import Im able to filter out about 1000 bad pictures ( test shots, duplicates, behind scene etc. ) on computer wiht less than 1 star while importing. 

So it will be cool to have option to share only 1+ star photos so I can do further refinements on the Ipad ( sometimes even with Clients ) there is no need to upload all photos online an download it for offline on Ipad..

Or maybe boudoir shot is better example from 500 -> 50 unique poses that needs to be shown to client -> 5-10 chosen images by clients (4 star)..

Right now I need to create Temp copy of collections where I put starred photos, sync those collection and then carefully unsync them because behaviour discussed in this thread..

Thank you very much,
With regards,
Milan Strapko. 

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3.7K Points

Oh my didn't know there is actually two options for deleting a photo in a Collection via LR Web! Because of this I'm afraid I've might have messed up some of my Synced Collections (I don't manage my Collections via LR Web often, but I've just added a third Mac to my workflow and didn't have LR installed right away so I did some small tasks via LR Web).

So I've actually removed photos from all other collections they have been part of. This is so unpredicted as it means delete action behaves differently depending on whether you are in the desktop application or on the web.

Has anybody else not realised this (as this is unexpected)?
  • on LR Desktop when you delete a photo that is part of another Collection you don't delete it from other those other Collections
  • BUT on LR Web when you delete a photo that is part of another Collection you actually delete it from those other Collections as well
That is so wrong.



ps.  – CC subscribtion should really allow me use all my Macs without annoying remove/active license nonsense when using more than two Macs (one at home, one at work and a laptop on-the-go).

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62 Points

3 years ago

I'm confused by this as well. Please correct me if the following is wrong:

Given: I have synced photos not present in currently synced collections (because previously synced collections were un-synced from Lightroom Classic CC)
Given: I want to remove these photos from Lr Mobile (synced photos) as I'm nearing the cloud storage limitation
Given: I do NOT want to alter any photo metadata or collection membership to any photos on Lr Classic CC on my iMac

Then:
The most straightforward way to do this is go into preferences under: "Lightroom > preferences > Lightroom CC" on my iMac, and click "Delete All Data" (shown in bold) in order to force a deleting and re-uploading of all synced data to Lr Mobile clients.

Is this really true? If so, ok. I'll periodically cost Adobe 20GB of bandwidth. I just don't see how this makes design sense.

Champion

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5.9K Messages

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104K Points

It's easier to select the photos you don't want to sync from the All Synced Photographs collection and remove them from there.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

178 Messages

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3.7K Points

It's not easy to select photos to unsync in All Synced Photographs collection.

For comparison – does anyone work in LR Desktop via All Photographs (aka Master Collection for all your photos, synced or not, in a collection or not)? I'm pretty sure most of the time no one. That's because it's easier to work organised in groups via Folders and Collections .

All Synced Photographs doesn't give us any hierarchy or organisation, it's just a mess of photos.

Yet, we're supposed to handle our photos that we do not anymore want to sync, to be handled picking one-by-one from All Synced Photographs.

At least there should be a way to select all photos that are in ASP but are not part of any Synced Collection. Currently there's no way to do that (unless workarounds that are not reasonable when you have 500 Synced Collections).

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192 Points

3 years ago

I apologize, but I did not read all of this in this thread. I do however agree with the original poster. Removing a collection from being synced (by unchecking the sync box) should absolutely remove them from Lightroom CC syncing. 

It makes no sense to me that if you uncheck a collection from syncing that these photos would remain in the Lightroom CC sync system.

178 Messages

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3.7K Points

Excatly. Makes no sense. So why is it designed that way, Adobe?

Champion

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5.9K Messages

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104K Points

I can't speak for Adobe, but there's a lot of different workflows to take into account.

If you were to delete a collection, would you be happy if the contained photos were deleted from your hard drive? No, you'd still expect them to be in All Photographs, because you hadn't deleted them, you'd just removed a grouping.

The same principle applies. Imagine someone's uploaded their originals to the cloud, perhaps as a cloud backup. Do you think that user would be happy to find that his originals had been deleted from the cloud, just because he'd decided to remove a collection from sync?

Those are the kind of issues that have to be taken into consideration. 

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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506 Points

I'm not with you, Victoria.
This explicitly talks about a collection from Classic, which always are SmartPreviews and never originals in the cloud.
We shouldn't mix things up here.

Champion

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5.9K Messages

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104K Points

The reality is they ARE mixed up, because Classic is syncing with a separate CC cloud environment. Even if the collection originated in Classic, the user may have added originals to it. 

There could be an argument for Lightroom Classic checking whether the cloud has any originals in that specific collection before deciding how to handle it, but that's a whole nother level of complexity. 

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

27 Messages

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506 Points

2 years ago

I second that the current design definitely is a bad one. All the functionality is actually there. It just needs to be given to the user to give the user the choice of the correct workflow for him, instead of making this extremely awkward.

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64 Points

a year ago

After reading for about half an hour on various sites, I still have no idea how to unsync a collection. This is ridiculous. And seems to have been going on for 3 years. I give up. I think my solution is to remove all photos from "all synced photos" then re sync the ones I actually want.

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70 Points

9 months ago

Ok this is screwed up. the sync workflow is so flawed. Ive just filled my 20gb of storage.. so i selected some collections from syncing. But it doesn’t free up soace unless i remove the files individually from the all photos folder..

This is stupid.

Champion

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3.2K Messages

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56.7K Points

You don't have to remove them individually. Select the collection, use Ctrl-A or Cmd-A to select all the photos in that selection, go to 'All Synced Photographs' (not 'All Photographs'!!!!!!) and hit the Delete key or use the menu to remove them.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

12 Messages

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418 Points

Be very careful with this. If you do this and you still have sync’ed collections, it will remove those photos from the sync’ed collections. It has been awhile since I have tried it, but at one point it did this without really warning you it was going to do so.

Champion

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488 Messages

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8.9K Points

This is the current warning that Lightroom Classic issues when attempting to remove a photo from All Synced Photographs:



Seems clear enough to me, though of course it's probably safer to leave the "Don't show again" option unchecked!