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Fri, Oct 30, 2020 4:51 PM

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Lightroom Classic: Lost color management options in Print module, LR 10

Suddenly my prints are way too dark, soon (but not immediately) after upgrade to LR 10. Color management options no longer show in printer dialog. Paper profiles no longer visible in color management options in Print window. I'm using Epson paper and an Epson SP600 printer. Any suggestions?

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a month ago

Very different print solution. Use a professional print shop which will probably deliver better results at lower cost. You might have a local shop, if not there are great online solutions. I gave up printing from Lightroom years ago, just not worth the hassle. 

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Not helpful. Thank you.

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a month ago

The printer dialog is not part of Lightroom, but part of the printer driver. Did you update anything else, like your OS?

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Thanks for the suggestion.

carlos_cardona

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a month ago

Revert to 9.4 until they fix it!

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Easier said than done! How I rue ever switching to the "subscription model".
On the upside, the new color wheel panel is great. At least I can look at my prints on the monitor and dream of what could be.

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I LOVE the subscription model, it's way cheaper than paying $1,000 just to get Photoshop, like in the old days! Just turn Auto-update off in Creative Cloud/Settings/Apps, and look to lightroomqueen.com or photo taco podcast for the "all clear".

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I agree with you on the subscription package, now I've simmered down a bit. Unfortunately I've let Apple OS, Adobe and Epson update automatically, so it's going to be hard to backtrack.
Despite which, when digital printing works it's way better than the old darkroom days.

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A subscription model means a predictable flow of funding and is generally better for users and the vendor alike. 

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Agreed, but only with Auto Update turned off!

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I lost all my references to different paper profiles when I updated to Lightroom 10 on macOS 10.15.7.   I uninstalled/reinstalled the print driver for my Canon Pro 100 and amazingly all the paper profiles I had selected then automatically showed up.  The Lr10 upgrade apparently lost the link to the correct folders for the profiles. 

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That sounds promising. My favorite profiles are missing, and the ones available are bizarre things that I'd never used. However, even choosing one of these, there is no longer an option to manage color in the print setup window, so no way to turn off color management by the printer.

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@tennyboy: reverting to a previous version is actually fairly easy. Adobe describes it here:

Install previous versions of your Creative Cloud apps

In the case of Lightroom 10 though, that’s not all. Lightroom 10 requires a catalog (database) update, and the updated catalog will be a copy of your v9 catalog, with “-v10” appended to it (Lightroom Catalog-v10.lrcat, for example). In other words, your v9 catalog is still right there – no worries!

Together with the catalog update, the folders for your Previews, Smart Previews, Sync and Helper databases have been renamed to match the name of the v10 catalog (in other words, a “-v10” has been appended to the name).

In order to use them again with your old v9 catalog, you need to rename these files with MacOS Finder or Windows Explorer, so that their names match the name of your old LR version 9 catalog:

<catalog name> Previews.lrdata
<catalog name> Helper.lrdata
<catalog name> Sync.lrdata
<catalog name> Smart Previews.lrdata (this one may or may not exist)

This isn’t strictly necessary, but it’s sure nice that Lightroom won’t have to render all of it’s Previews again when it finds the Previews folder/database. :)

Once you’ve done that and launch Lightroom again, you’ll most likely get a prompt that the catalog can’t be found or can’t be opened, because LR tries to open the last opened catalog. Simply click “Choose a different catalog” and select your LR version 9 catalog here.

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Thanks, Alexander. This sounds perfectly straightforward, though definitely something to be done with a clear head and a calm state of mind.
I jumped into LR10 because of the new color grading window, which I've been using to "tone" black and white prints from older film negs that I've digitized. It's a subtle process, using color tints at very low saturations, and only really works with a monitor that is spot on and reliable color management for the printing. Another reply has already mentioned the loss of available profiles in the switch to LR10, and the loss of the color management option in the printer setup dialog. Interestingly, it's the same in Photoshop 2021, where my custom profiles are also unavailable.

The big question is, is this a flaw in the new iteration of Lightroom, or does it come from the OS (Mac10.14) or is it from the interaction of the two?
Hopefully Adobe is working on this. The lack of color management options in printing is huge, though to be fair the printer-managed option does a reasonable job. I think I will pause on the printing and see what shakes out; I still have plenty of digitizing to do. BTW, I'm using a Nikon D610 with a Sigma 105mm macro to rephotograph my old negs, using a Sunray lightbox and a copy stand. Setup is fiddly, but I can shoot from within Lightroom and get great "digital negs". All learned from YouTube videos and forums like this one.
Thanks again for the help. My confidence is restored.

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a month ago

I have the same issue since I upgraded to LR10.
I see the color profile selection in the print module and see my ICC profile.

But the issue is that the prints are super dark and really bad quality.
My printer is a Canon Pixma Pro-10s and I already uninstall/reinstall the drivers.

Will try to downgrade to LR9

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25 days ago

  1. Reinstall your most recent print drive.
  2. In LIghtroom Classic, go to Print module> Print Job>Profile 
  3. Choose "Other…"
  4. Select the appropriate profiles. 
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Rikk, the loss of printer profiles is only part of the issue.
The problem is, no matter what profile I choose from "other" there is no option to shift color management from printer to LR.

Screenshots to follow.

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@Rikk 

1. Already did it after a complete printer system reinitialisation

2-4. I select the ICC profile for my Canon Pixma Pro-10s and the Hahnemuehle paper which I always use. The in the printer dialog box ColorSync is used and cannot be changed (normal behaviour)

Why does this dark print issue only affect LR10 but not PS2021?

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In Mac, the ColorSync option is auto-switched by Lightroom. In Windows you have to seat this manually.  Setting Lightroom to manage colors and providing a valid profile will cause the OS to switch off Colorsync. 

Dark prints are a completely different issue and there are threads about this on the forum with resolutions. 

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Do you have any link regarding dark prints from LR10?

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I have the Canon Pro-100 and my prints are the same as they were in Lr 9.  As I indicated previously, I had to reinstall the printer driver as I lost my paper profiles and this reset something so the profiles showed up.  This has happened in the past with updates!!  After a driver reinstall, I printed my standard test image and it printed exactly the same as it was in the past prints.  

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25 days ago

Here are two screen shots from the print module.
Above, LR 10

Below, LR 9.5

This is after reinstalling the print driver in LR10. There are no color matching options in LR10. Am I missing something?

FYI, I'm running LR10 on a desktop, and LR9.5 on a laptop (haven't updated on the laptop)

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These are MacOS Printer Dialogs - not Lightroom Classic Print Module Dialogs. 


Also, Lightroom Classic 9's last version was 9.4. - not 9.5. So I am not sure what you have installed on your laptop.  

Did you follow my steps above including reinstalling your print driver from Epson. - See my screenshot 10.15.7 and LrC 10: 

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I'm also on OS10.15.7 and LR10 (my old LR was 9.4 of course - my bad).

I'll try the print driver reinstall again. It looks like that's where the problem lies.

The new color wheels in LR10 are great, BTW. That's the main reason I updated without waiting to see if there were any bugs!

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After the driver install, there is still no Color Matching option available in the (Mac) print dialog. Any attempt to color manage printing, using the same profile as I used to soft proof in the develop module, gives me very dark prints, presumably because the print is being color managed twice.

Since your screenshot shows the same OS and LR versions, but a different model of Epson printer, it would seem that the printer driver is the source of the problem.

Thanks for your help. I have no idea what to do next, unless I go back to LR9.4 and OS 10.13.6, when printing worked as expected.

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25 days ago

Here are screenshots from the printer setup panels in LR 10 and LR9.5.The color matching option is absent from LR10, so there appears to be no way to make use of the soft proofing option in the development module.

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25 days ago

Problem solved, and thanks to this community for helping me pinpoint the problem.

It was the Epson printer driver, or rather operator error concerning the print driver. So I offer the following:

To load the latest version of the driver, you have to trash the current one first, and empty the trash before doing a restart. Also, remove the printer from the printer list in System Preferences>Printers and Scanners.

After the restart, download the appropriate package from Epson and double-click to install. During the install you will be asked if you want to use the Apple Air Print controls (default choice) or the Epson controls. The results are what I tried to show in my screen shots: with Apple Air Print there are no Color Matching options available, and thus no way to use soft proofing.

Nothing wrong with LR10 or OS Catalina, or Epson for that matter, but a pain in the ass all the same!