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Tue, Dec 8, 2020 9:27 PM

Lightroom Classic: Library zoomed view shows wrong color

When zooming into an image in library mode, the color changes suddenly and differs from all the consistent colours shown in develop mode or library mode (fit image). I just updated to LR10.1 and appreciated other fixed bugs. I am using an external BenQ display calibrated to AdobeRGB profile using xrite. The images have Adobe profiles (AdobeVivid) applied.

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Updates to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products for Desktop, Mobile and Web were released today and contain a fix for this issue.

Please refresh your Creative Cloud application and install your update when it becomes available. Thank you for your patience.

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@Rikk Can you confirm the version number with the fix, please?

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10.2 is the version number released this evening

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Wow. I don't want to speak too soon, but the issue appears to be fixed. I can actually work and make a living now. Thanks for the update, @Rikk.

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Amazing! Issue seems resolved in 10.2. Legends.

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I've been waiting for this fix and very glad to see the color fixed for zoomed-in loupe view and thumbnails in grid view in 10.2.

However I still repro the same bug in full screen preview (press "F" from grid or loupe, press space bar or click to zoom in => same desaturating color change) and that's my usual way to preview photos large to check focus and color so very disappointing.

@Rikk  is this known separate issue or missed case?

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Yes, after the initial excitement about this being fixed I also noticed that it's still happening from time to time. It works for the most part but the odd time in Develop - Compare mode, when you zoom in on the reference image it goes back to faded colours. If you change the reference image to something else and then back to the initial image it often works. Only happens rarely but doesn't seem to be absolutely bullet proof yet. Cheers 

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First, try disabling GPU in the preferences (Preformance). Any better?
If not, recalibrate and build a new ICC profile, the old one might be corrupted.
If you are using software/hardware for this task, be sure the software is set to build a matrix not LUT profile, Version 2 not Version 4 profile.

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Disabling GPU (with/without restarting LR) does not change situation. I am wondering why ICC profile should have become corrupted just while updating from 10.0 tu 10.1 version. Anyway, I will try to recalibrate and see what happens.

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Recalibrated/profiled with PaletteMaster matrix V2 AdobeRGB (and also experimented with different settings), restarted LR10.1 with/without GPU - same issue still.

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Not happening on my Windows machine. BENQ PD3200Q calibrated with Spyder5Pro. Nvidia Quadro P2200 video card. 

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It would help to have a screenshot of both states so we could compare them visually. Is that possible? 

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@Rikk sur. Here is a comparison if the image in zoomed view and original view - after screen capturing resized to show similar field of views. The right image is the correct one, at least showing exactly same colours in develop mode in different zoom states.

Interesting thing - just before zooming into the image in Lib mode, for a fraction of a second the image changes to wrong color in original size before zooming in and keeping the wrong color.

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No images. Did you attach them?

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ups - where have they gone? Another try:

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Have you rebuilt the preview for this file?

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If you need anything else - let me know. The image has the "Adobe Vivid" Profile applied. I also just tried to rebuild the previews - no change. The color switch appears when the image zoom factor is of that size such that the image does not fit anymore completely into the view. The color is correct for any zoom factor which shows the complete image in the view, even if zoomed out a lot.

Tried the same on the MBP internal display with different color profiles - the same behaviour, it does not depend on the display nor the color profile chosen in the MacOsX Display settings.

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This issue has been reported elsewhere and also occurs when using "Zoom to Fill" in the Print Module. I noticed it when using LR 10 on Catalina and it is also present with LR 10.1 on Big Sur. I am using an iMac Pro (5K monitor). I have tried turning off/on the GPU and have created a new monitor profile.

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The Print Module using a differing preview and so, this isn't that unexpected. I see the same too, the two are slightly different in terms of color saturation on a wide gamut display. 

The only location to really see the actual color of an image is in Develop at 1:1 or greater. 

Now what I do see also, and this appears to be a bug: Image selected in Filmstrip doesn't show up in Print. I even have a quick collection with ONE image, I select it in Library and move to Print, a different image appears. If anyone sees that, I'd like to know because that doesn't make any sense to me. 

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The two screen shots that I posted above were from the Library module and clearly show the difference in colour saturation between Loupe view - Fit and Zoomed.

Are you saying that is expected behaviour for the Library module on an iMac/iMac Pro 5K display? While I can't be absolutely certain I don't think this was happening prior to LR 10.

I am unable to reproduce the problem you describe when moving from Library to Print. The image selected in the Library Filmstrip reliably appears in the currently selected print template.

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All modules other than Develop should match at the same zoom ratio at 1:1 or more. Print doesn't as I wrote and it should be fixed but if you care for an accurate preview of the data, that's Develop module only. 

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Clearly they should match but at the moment, for me at least, they don't.

Library module - Loupe View - 100%

Develop module - 100%

Toggle from Library to Develop and back and I see the same disconcerting difference that is illustrated in my screen shots above.

So, is this way it is - get used to it?

Or is this a bug in Lightroom that we can reasonably expect to be fixed?

Or is this the result of some issue unique to my setup?

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It's a bug, I have reported it. It's a bug that should be fixed but has virtually no/zero implications. Try soft proofing in Develop and then go to Print; it will never match nor designed to match. Consider Print previews as FPO only.

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Thanks Andrew. Hopefully there will be a fixes for the visible difference between Develop to Library when zoomed in and the visible difference between Library Loupe View - Fit and Library Loupe View - zoomed.

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@tomioka42. Can you provide me with the file used in your screenshot?

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sure - how can I upload a larger image? Can I email it to you?

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If it is not a private image, you can share on Dropbox or similar.

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Got it. 

I am not seeing a color shift in Library Loupe View from Fit to 100/200/400% 

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Thanks for testing, I am uploading a video showcasing the dynamic behaviour of the color switch: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5i0ryxm3fki1f6/LibZoomColorBug.mov?dl=0

this is on the laptop directly, not on external display. As said, it happens to all display profiles and with all treatment profiles, with/wo GPU support. So maybe dependent on graphics adapter / operating system?

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I downloaded your image and have to say, on this end, I don't see anything odd about the color when zooming. 

I do see a slight increase in apparent and visual saturation on the tree when zooming OUT (image gets smaller), and this is to be somewhat expected when subsampling pixels this way. 

At 100%, I do see a bigger difference between Library and Develop modules but again, due to the differences in the previews in both locations, not that unexpected. 

I wonder if there's an issue with that BenQ (their calibration software is kind of buggy). If you pick a 'canned' profile for the display, say even sRGB or Adobe RGB (1998) temporarily, do you see the same issues? 

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Yes, I switched also to standard display profiles by Mac, not created with BenQ software. Same issue.  

I just noticed that the level of difference depends on the treatment profile applied. For Adobe Vivid the mismatch is much more prominent than for others.

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Ha, I found a way to temporarily switch of the bug:

precondition: apply treatment profile "Adobe Vivid", zoom into image and toggle between Library and Develop, system shows color change.

 

now do the following: 

1. change vibrance slider to another position

2. toggle between Library and Develop

--> no color change !! only small difference in kind of smoothing/interpolation applied

3. either zoom in/out or pan the image

4. toggle Library/Develop

--> again color change is showing up

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So I tested this again and for some reason, when I imported your raw, despite not using a preset for import, your raw came in with my 5DCopySetup dcp profile. That's odd because my camera differs from yours. That alone might indicate a bug or issue. 

I then assigned Adobe Color. The difference I see between Library and Develop are super tiny unlike my first test. Ditto with Adobe Standard. Zooming in and out in all modules appears the same too. 

What camera profile was originally used? 

Can you convert the CR2 to DNG with any/all settings you had that produced an issue and upload that. The profile you used should be provided within that DNG. 

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here you are: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t272b20mz5p8ica/SK-20201205-210220-Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20IV.dng?dl=0

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Got it, still shows the wrong camera profile both in LR and ACR as seen below.

What DCP camera profile are you using on your end? 

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I have used "Adobe Vivid" for the example, but I tested with various camera profiles incl. the "Camera Matching" and also some created with xRite Passport Checker.

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It's just odd none got transported to the DNG when I imported the DNG. 

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I am also experiencing this bug, on a 2020 M1 Macbook Air, both on the built in display and also now on an external display I just received today. The issues is not to do with monitor calibration, it's definitely a bug in the Lightroom Classic Library module. Zooming the image to any zoom level that is tighter than "fit" results in a major colour shift.

This only appears to be an issue in the Library previews, all exported images are rendered correctly. But it makes the Library Module almost unusable for image reviews, as I need to switch to the Develop module in order to maintain correct colours while viewing zoomed images.

I have tried Discarding 1:1 Previews, and then rebuilding them. I have also tried turning off GPU Acceleration. Neither solves this issue.

I never noticed this behaviour until recently, so it was either the 10.1 update, or Big Sur that caused this, can't be sure which.

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@colin_judge I have exactly the same issue here.

Mac OS Big Sur last update
LR last update

Here is the picture in library "adapt"

Here is the 100% in library 

here is the picture in develop 100%

As you can see the 100 % library doesn't match.
Nevertheless the exported files are fine…
the video

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I have the very same behavior, thanks @alan_aubry 

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This started happening to me as well! I hope they fix it!

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I have the same issue too. I'm really noticing it in the book mode

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LR 10.1 is known for several rendering bugs that prevent versions didn't have.

Just found that at 100% view, colors are shown differently in the development module compared to the library module.

(dev seems to be correct).

This is true for both GPU off and auto.

Funny enough, zoomed out it's also correct in the Lib module.

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MacOS, LR 10.1, all most recent updates

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Lightroom Classic: shows different colors in Library vs Development Module @ 100%

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What is your Mac OS version number?

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This thread is being merged into an authoritative thread for better tracking and response. 

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@andix Try recalibrating the display in case the display profile is corrupt and make sure if an option exist not to build it in V4 spec.

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macOS Big Sur 11.1 (20C69)

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@andrew_rodney I doubt it's the display profile as LR shows colors different in the same app?

I checked ICC profiles in MacOS--no change.

Also assume this won't we relevant as the LR application would always use the same profile.

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While it's appreciated that anything color related as an issue sounds like it could be ICC related - this has literally nothing to do with profiles. It happens regardless of monitor, and regardless of profile set. It has to be a bug within LR - fit to view has a different color cast than zooming in or going to different modules... I also have the same issue. 

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Hello all, 

I am having the same problem you all are having.  I am using a late 2019 Macbook Pro with a Vega 20 GPU and EGPU Vega 64.  The issue is happening with both.  The camera I use is a Canon R5.  Whenever I zoom into a photo it strips away my edit to a flat RAW looking image.  This also happens in the "PRINT MODULE".   When zooming into an image by using the zoom check box for an 8x10 lets say, it strips away my edit.  I can confirm that it does not print this way thankfully!!

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I also have the same issue, just upgraded to latest lightroom classic version and upgraded the library. I have Big Sur, 11.0.1. 

Macbook Pro 16 (2019)

Never had this issue before.

Regards

Dennis

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The same issue on M1 and Big Sur 11.1, 

but as you can see from the screeshots, hiding the bottom filmstrip at 100% make the colors come back to normal, showing the filmstrip colors become false again.  

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I can confirm that 10.2 solved the issue and also speeded up the Library module on M1 CPU: before the update zooming in Library module was choppy, now it's as fluid as in Develop module.

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I can confirm that I am having the same issue on my device as well. MBP 16" Big Sur 11.1, BenQ 3220U 4k monitor. It is only occurring for me when I am in library mode however, it doesn't occur while I'm in develop mode.

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I'm having the same issue after updating my Macbook Pro 13" to Big Sur. Colors change when you zoom in in the Library module, but not in the Develop module. This is with previews that were created before and after the update.

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Hi,

I am also have the same after update to Big Sur on imac.

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4 m ago

Same issue for me. I'm almost certain this started with the upgrade to Big Sur. Zooming to 100% in Loupe View shows different (less saturated) colors than the develop module, and when fitting the image to the view in loupe mode.

iMac Pro (2017)

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Happens to me too! Clean install Big Sur on MacBook Pro, clean fresh install of Lightroom Classic today. Color desaturated and VERY different in Loop Zoomed view vs 100% Loop view or Develop view. In Develop zoom view functions normally. This started happening after last update 10.1 I guess. Adobe please FIX SOON, this is VERY ANNOYING!