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Tue, Jul 10, 2018 4:44 PM

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Lightroom Classic: I want presets stored with LR not in AppData

LR classic converts develop presets to XMP now stored outside on the catalog folders in ...\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\Settings\.  When I migrate my LR to a new computer the presets don't go with it as they are not stored when my LR folders. This is very bad and very inconvenient. I had to call Adobe 3 times because the develop settings failed to convert to xmp properly.

Sherry Felix

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2 years ago

Have you tried 'Preferences - Presets - Store presets with this catalog'? AFAIK, that option still works.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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That worked before presets were converted to the new xmp format. Now thye must be stored in appdata to work.

Sherry Felix

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2 years ago

Just for your knowledge. The presets for LR have always been stored in AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Lightroom, at least since LR 5 and Windows 7.

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Yes, but prior to xmp conversion in a recent update there was an option to store presets with the catalogue which I always used. Mine were not stored in appdata. I want to be able to have my presets along with all the other files when  I migrate the entire LR folder on another pc. Now I have to go to appdata as well to retrieve the presets. Not a good way to go. Get with it Adobe and give LR classic users back the option to store presets with the catalogue. 

Sherry Felix

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The problem is that Develop presets are now shared with Camera Raw. If they would be moved to your Lightroom catalog folder, then Camera Raw would no longer see them. The same applies to custom camera and/or lens profiles. You were never able to save these with the catalog, because these too are shared with Canera Raw.

The solution would be to sync these via the Creative Cloud.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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I understand how the new xmp files function and know about ACR but don't use it. I don't use LR CC either. There is no way to import xmp into LR Classic. If I move the catalogue to a new pc without copying the xmp files from appdata the presets they will not be there. Presets can export from LR Classic into an xmp file and be used by ACR and LR CC but do not automatically import into another copy of LR Classic on a different machine. This is what I learned from Adobe tech yesterday. If you find a way to get xmp presets synched with all copies of LR Classic let me know. This is why I want Adobe to give back what I had--the ability to store my presets with the catalogue. If they want to put xmp on the cloud that is OK only if I can import them when I move LR Classic folders to another computer. So far I am not getting my point across about this big problem fully.

Sherry Felix

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"All copies of LR Classic" means two, because you can only use Lightroom on two computers. There are ways to synchronise the Settings folder via Dropbox or something like that, but it's a little cumbersome. Basically what you do is create a copy of the Settings folder and place that in Dropbox. Let it sync to the other computer and then use a separate synchronisation utility to sync the Dropbox Settings folders with the original Settings folders. You could do the same for custom camera profiles and lens profiles. Not very convenient, but it does work.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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I know how to copy and move the xmp files in App Data to another computer. My point is I want it back the way it was with presets stored with Lightroom files. I use Beyond Compare to "sync"

Sherry Felix

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I understand what you want, but you can't realistically expect Adobe to revert the profiles and presets changes just because you don't like them. So either use the workaround I suggested, or revert to Lightroom Classic 7.2 if this is so important to you. I'm afraid those are the only two choices you have right now.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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This is supposed to be a place to voice wishes or report problems. I want to tell Adobe my opinion and wish. That is all. If enough people voice an opinion on something Adobe may listen.

Sherry Felix

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Have you tried unchecking and then rechecking the option to store presets with the catalog? I tried it on my Mac and I do see the presets being copied correctly, just as I suggested initially.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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I had it set like that and it corrupted LR and caused a serious error. The new xml files can not and do not store with the catalogue. This is now how it works. Adobe tech fixed it and explained why storing develope settings with the catalogue no longer works. LR Classic exports the original files and converts them to xml and puts them in App Data. If LR is prevented from doing that errors occur.

Sherry Felix

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Maybe there are some differences between Mac and Windows in this respect, although I didn’t try every detail. I never stored presets with the catalog, so it didn’t really matter to me whether or not it works. What I understood however (and that is how it seems to work on my Mac) is that if you let Lightroom convert the presets, and THEN check the option again to store the presets with the catalog, then those new xmp presets are COPIED to the catalog and that will work. Might be worth to try it...

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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> I had it set like that and it corrupted LR and caused a serious error. 

What was this serious error? Because that would be a bug worth fixing, however I haven't heard any other reports of that checkbox corrupting Lightroom.

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LR could not finish re-exporting xmp files and at one time added an extra tilde in front of the file names. That time I fixed it with a file renaming app. This is the third time it happened. Each time Adobe had to fix it. Also when managing files got a popup error showing error while indexing. Adobe is aware of this bug brought on by their update and probably because I had my catalogue saved to LR folders. It had to convert to xmp from there and add them to the folder in Appdata (Windows 10). The tech I spoke to is familiar with the issue. 

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The tilde is not an error, it’s supposed to do that. In fact, it’s two tildes now. It is the way for Lightroom to know that this preset has already been converted, so it does not have to do that again next tume it starts.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Sigh. I know that the tildas are supposed to be there with the last 3 updates. One of the prior updates added an extra tilde when it was not supposed to. That time the tech was unable to fix it. I fixed it myself with a 3rd party renaming app. That time the xmps were still with the catalogue. Now they are not. No problem with tildas this time. 

I have been building, fixing and using computers for graphics and web development since 1995. I also used to beta test for Microsoft. I know a thing or two and only call for tech support when it is time to stump the tech (a game I play). 

Adobe is rushing these updates and they are coming across buggy. They seem to be more concerned with their new stuff than making sure they don't damage what was there, like LR Classic, in the process of creating new apps and updates.

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2 years ago

Why is this a problem? You say "When I migrate my LR to a new computer" but is that a frequent thing? Most of us don't change computers very often, and there would be a lot of other files in AppData that you might need to move as well.

Besides, you know where the presets are stored (obviously.) Just move them if needed. Simple.

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I go on trips that involve taking my laptop and not my desktop. I have no connection or spotty connection to internet and use key words for bird and other identification (not available in LR CC). It is a pain to have to selectively copy only parts of the files in the hidden appdata folder in addition to all the catalogue files. I should not have used the word new. So sorry. You seem to by trying to tell me what I want is not necessary. I want all the files needed to run LR in one location. 
End of story. 
Do you realize that most people will not know that the xmp files are in hidden files and if they move their catalogue all their develop presets will disappear? I want LR Calssic users to be aware of this and know what Adobe has done.

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I understand your point, but I disagree with your proposed solution. You would not have all the files, and you never did have them all. You don’t have custom camera profiles and you don’t have custom lens profiles, for example. Maybe that is not important for you personally because you don’t use these, but if you want to speak for many people, then this fact cannot be ignored.

I agree that the current situation is far from ideal, but storing just the presets with the catalog again would not solve that. Cloud sync would be a much better solution and it would not matter if you have spotty internet connection while on the road. You don’t need to sync constantly, sync can wait till you get back home.

That’s how I do it. I too travel a lot with Lightroom on my laptop, but I use a special ‘travel catalog’ that I import into the main catalog when I get back home. I found my own way to sync presets and profiles, but that is a Mac-specific solution involving third party software, so not a solution for everyone. That is something Adobe could do and should do with Creative Cloud.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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That is something Adobe could do and should do with Creative Cloud.
Exactly.

The big changeover to xmp LR+ACR presets has not been handled well, but the solution of replacing an obscure location with the previous creaky method gets us nowhere. Creative Cloud already has the Libraries concept which works well for sharing assets across all one's computers, and that should be the model for keeping presets and profiles effortlessly in sync.

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Cloud would be fine for storage and sync of all presets. Adobe said Lightroom Classic will no download or sync presets at this time. Only LR CC does. True about the custom camera profiles. Yes they should be included for those that need them. 

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The difference now is that presets and profiles are bundled together and shared between all the Camera Raw -based desktop applications, so CC storing our presets and profiles doesn't breach Adobe's wholly-arbitrary line on freezing Classic's own sync capabilities.

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2 years ago

They need to bring LR CC Classic on board then. I will be very pissed if they decide to scrap it without adding the functions I use to the new cloud based version of LR.

Sherry Felix

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2 years ago

As Johan explained, it is on board already. The new presets and profiles now drive Adobe Camera Raw  too, as well as LR Classic.