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Thu, Aug 29, 2013 11:28 PM

Lightroom Classic: Custom sort order of keywords (instead of alphabetic).

Lightroom needs to stop re-ordering our keywords into an alphabetical order. People who are keywording for stock agencies and other purposes need to order their keywords most important and relevant first. Lightroom ruins this for us. I can't believe it's version 5 and Lightroom hasn't figured this out. Lightroom is single-handedly ruining our sales based on keyword searches. Thanks Adobe

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7 years ago

Isn't it only Alamy that ranks images in this way?

There is an Alamy plugin somewhere, and I suspect its author would have addressed this issue.

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I found the alamy-plugin, but no word about sort-order. also fotolia and istock need this "unsorted" keywords.

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The Alamy plugin has features for helping you maintain Alamy's Essential and Main ordered keyword lists from within Lightroom, using keywords you've assigned in Lightroom. See in particular pages 19 and 25 of the plugin manual.

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if the keywords are in lightroom no plugin of the world will help you to reorder them after lightroom delete the original order...
Essential keywords are some different. This is an extra empty text area within some agencies, like phantermedia, bigstock, alamy etc. Normally I type them by hand, its faster.

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Agreed that LR is losing the original order and that's unfortunate for what you want to do. But the Alamy plugin does appear to provide some useful features for working with keywords more efficiently with LR and Alamy.

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I will try it, but normally you will be with more than one agency. I have about 10 or more and alamy is one of the less important one's.

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7 years ago

I'm not on Alamy. But, no, Lightroom does this as soon as you hit enter on your keywords or leave that area of LR. It's definitely a LR issue, and every answer I see to this issue on the Web is that there's nothing you can do about it. So LR needs to change it.

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7 years ago

Is custom sorting of keywords specified in the IPTC standard? If not, LR isn't doing anything wrong and it's really a feature request.

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7 years ago

See this similar feedback:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

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7 years ago

I'm have the same opinion. It would be so easy to implement a user-sort-order for keywords with the feature "let them untouched"

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Make sure you vote on this topic!

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How do you vote, John?

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I'm not strongly in favor of this, nor strongly opposed. I don't have need of maintaining keyword ordering.

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No, that's not what I meant, John. You said be sure and vote on this topic. I was not aware you could vote on topics, so I was asking how to do that. Also, does voting on topics give them more importance to Adobe?

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To vote on a topic, click the +1 button at the top:

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7 years ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom 5: Customer sort order of keywords (instead of alphabetic).


I like to have my own sort-order according to keywords. But Lightroom always sort them alphabetically. Exept if I paste them via Photoshop-File-Information (don't know the exact word in english, use german version)
If you do this and save the document Lightroom now export the keywords in the order you choose in PS.

It would be very fine, if the user could decide about his keyword-sortorder by himself in Lightroom.
For people who works with agencies it is an important point.

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7 years ago

Maybe the aimed customer for LR is not the professional photographer?
I asked in some communities and no one uses LR.
In all other applications, Photoshop, Bridge, CaptureOne the keywords stay in the order you type it in.
LR has so many features to mange and deal with keywords, so I really don't understand why this little feature could be build in or better out.

I don't want to change to CaptureOne, but I have to, I fear.

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6 years ago

I don't contribute to Alamy. Therefore the plug-in will not do me any good.
I believe Adobe will take care of this issue. Many thousands of stock agencies contributors are eagerly awaiting for the solution.
John, thank you very much for the feedback.

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George wrote, "I believe Adobe will take care of this issue."

Unfortunately, Adobe has made very few changes to keywording or other core library functions in the last several years, even though there's been lots of feedback here and the user-to-user forums about desired bug fixes and improvements. It would be great if they started improving the LR library, but I'm not holding my breath.

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If in the long run Adobe keeps ignoring the keywording problem in Lightroom, I will definitely switch to other solutions. My time is valuable. I can not afford doing the same task twice. One time in Lightroom and then one more time for each stock agency I contribute to.
In the forthcoming Lightroom updates Adobe must give the users the possibility to select the keywords order.

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How many other stock agencies utilize the keyword order? It's a business practice, rather than an iptc standard which Adobe would observe, and I'd question if the practice is widespread .

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It would be enough if one important agency organized it in this way. It cost hours and hours of work ... On the other hand, if you keywording in PS or Bridge the keywords will remain in the sort-order you want. So Adobe is not able to hold their own standard. There is really no need to force all stock-photographer to stay away from LR.

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But they don't force *all* stock photographers to stay away, and Lightroom's ethos was to be a ground-up design - previous examples like PS/Br are not a standard. So which other agencies utilize keyword order? How widespread is this practice?

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6 years ago

I think you could *almost* accomplish the goal now by doing this:

* Pre-pend a 0-padded number to keep them ordered the way you want.
* Remove the prefix upon export using Jeffrey Friedl's Metadata Wrangler.

I say "almost" because Jeffrey's plugin requires each prefix be specified individually (pattern matching not supported), which may be prohibitive, or maybe not (?)

That said, if the concept is sound (keywords are orderable using the prefix, and order can be maintained by exiftool upon export), then one could request Jeffrey implement pattern matching, and if design not making that easy (or he's too busy..), maybe somebody else could add that to a different plugin, e.g. me to Exportant.

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6 years ago

Keywords in custom sort order are necessary! Everyone should choose in what order want keywords, not only for stock photography but in general! Adobe should correct this as soon as possible, it is very important for photographer in digital era! LR is the better software! This is, for my opinion, the only necessary thing to add.

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6 years ago

There are at least three stock agencies that require the keywords sorted by relevancy: Alamy, Fotolia and Panthermedia.

So this is not a single use case, but a nneded feature for professional stock photographers...

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6 years ago

iStock, pixta, ...

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6 years ago

Great to get that info, finally. Do you know any more details? For example, do they use all the keywords to assess relevance or only (say) the first 5 keywords. I wouldn't bet on Adobe implementing this (not least as I think it would force them to add other features such as a switch between alpha and non-alpha sorting) but more detail might allow a plug-in to provide a solution that's better and sooner. You might even ask the stock agency to create their own LR plug-in - it might be self-interest....

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6 years ago

@John: It depends on the stock agencies. Fotolia ranks the first 7 higher, Panthermedia the first 8, Alamy has a system of different degrees, not sure about the other ones mentioned...

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6 years ago

+pictage (requires sorted keywords too).