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Lightroom Classic: Better keyword management
How about some better support for keyword management. It's very basic now. I would like to do the following tasks:- Delete multiple keywords at once. Not all plugins do handle hierarchy keywords well and add all the keywords to the root level. It's a tedious task to delete them one by one.- Search for duplicates.- Merge keywords. With lots of tricks, it can be done, but it's so inefficient.- Import keywords from within any level in the keyword hierarchy. Now you can only import keywords to the root level.- And for now last but most important: Real external editing of the keyword list. Moving keywords around and doing real heavy reorganization is difficult in LR. I would like to have an editing option like exporting and when reimported all changes are reflected in LR.
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John_R_Ellis
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10 years ago
You can do that in LR already. In the Keyword List pane, select multiple keywords with Shift-Click or Ctrl-Click. Then click the "-" button (Delete Selected Keyword Tag) to the left of "Keyword List".
Note that if you right-click the multiple selected keywords and select Delete, you'll only delete the keyword that you right-clicked. This is inconsistent with the way that most programs work and is a design misfeature.
I agree in general that LR's handling of keywords is weak and could be improved.
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shangara_singh
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686 Points
10 years ago
I would also like to see following:
Separate hierarchies from applied keywords (Bride does this) so that you do not have to scroll endlessly to find your hierarchies.
Show the number of synonyms attached to a keyword (currently, you have to double-click a keyword to see whether it includes synonyms).
Enable spell check in the Edit Keyword Tag dialog and also make it more prominent in the Keywording and Keyword List panels (I'd be surprised if everyone knows that, in Mac OS, you can check spelling).
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joop_snijder
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10 years ago
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shangara_singh
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686 Points
10 years ago
For my work, I would find option NOT to arrange alphabeticalyl enormously helpful (will start a new thread, I think).
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gregvaughn
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390 Points
10 years ago
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louis_sherwin
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3.3K Points
10 years ago
1. The "Filter Keywords" entry should follow keyword separator preferences instead of only using "space" as a delimiter.
2. Add some basic string matching meta-characters like, beginning of word, end of word.
3. Add some basic boolean operations. AND, OR, NOT for example.
I have requested all of this many moons ago with a but/feature request form.
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rob_cole_2221866
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76.3K Points
10 years ago
And, an option to add the plural (or singular if already plural) as a synonym. And other plural handling support, e.g. if user types "daisies", find "daisy" too, if "plurals too" is enabled.
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geoff_walker_2225610
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10 years ago
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hamish_niven
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10 years ago
iMac
jockeys
fred
kevin
horses
Desert Orchid
Zenyetta
etc
and on the laptop
Desert Orchid
kevin
fred
jockeys
fred
horses
Desert Orchid
Zenyetta
...
and there are about 120 horses scattered across the "root" and the horse folder / category what ever and a few less of the mess of the jockey.
So far I've wiped all the references of 2 jockeys from my laptop keyword collection (UNGH) due to LR's fundamental awkwardness with its keywording.
I too, think another tab along the top is essential for keywording and metatagging images. It is a subset of the library, but fundamentally important for the vast majority of photographers who keyword their work.
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sebastien_barre
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642 Points
9 years ago
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alan_harper
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10.5K Points
9 years ago
I just realized when I saw Rob Cole's comment, that it is a good thing that LR uses an "or" filter to show keywords. You can show the keyword you are trying to drag, and the container you are trying to drag to at the same time. I hadn't thought of this before. But I like direct manipulation better when it works.
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rob_cole_2221866
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76.3K Points
9 years ago
(If custom metadata makes it to xmp, I'll just quit using non-exporting keywords, however keywords have an advantage (over custom metadata) of not getting lost should one have to re-import)
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ronald_may
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430 Points
9 years ago
Keywords and the keywording process are such an integral part of Lightroom that not having some decent formal processes within Lightroom to manage them is a severe lack of functionality, so, if there is one thing I would wish for in the next edition of Lightroom (Lightroom 4), is an easier way to edit, update, categorize, etc., my key words. At present, all I seem to be able to do is move them around within the keywording panel on the right side of the Library module and it becomes a real nuisance, for me at least, to maintain this list in any sort of reasonable "order". For example, in keywording birds, I have a top level category "Birds", then a next level category type of birds, e.g., owls, eagles, etc., and then within each of these sub-categories, I might have the actual name, e.g., Grey owl, Bald eagle, etc. If I find a new type of eagle, for example, the African Fish Eagle and use this as a new keyword, then it gets stuck in alphabetical order under the "A" part of the list and I have to move it to the location that I want it - under Birds, Eagles... - so my thinking is - 1) I am not doing the initial keywording correctly, or 2), I am missing something in LR that will allow me to "edit" and organize my keywords much more easily than trying to move them up and down within the existing right-side panel - a process that is currently very frustrating and time consuming.
Anyway, that is why I wish there was some additional functionality within LR to help me deal with the organization of my keywords in a much less time consuming and more time efficient way. I am thinking that some sort of "tabular" option that would allow editing, moving, fixing mispelling, modifying the hierearchy, etc. would probably do the trick. To me, the keywords and the ability to edit/manage them is just as important, if not more so, than being able to do raw cinversion and editing to the images themselves.
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matthew_wirth
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324 Points
9 years ago
(After writing this, I found the same idea mentioned here.)
There should also be an easy way to indicate and cancel the move. Possibly by highlighting or changing the color of the keywords to be moved, and using the escape key to cancel.
These are not strictly keyword management issues, but close enough that I thought they deserved a mention:
I am not sure if this is already possible (I haven't heard of anything, and according to some random piece of information I saw on controlledvocabulary.com, I suspect it isn't), but if it isn't, I would like it to be:
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rob_cole_2221866
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76.3K Points
9 years ago
Keyword Libraries: I'd love to be able to keep my keywords separated from keywords included with files imported by other photographers, and separate from keywords imported from "controlled vocabulary"...
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