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2.4K Points

Fri, Apr 1, 2011 6:18 AM

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Lightroom Classic: Better keyword management

How about some better support for keyword management. It's very basic now. I would like to do the following tasks:- Delete multiple keywords at once. Not all plugins do handle hierarchy keywords well and add all the keywords to the root level. It's a tedious task to delete them one by one.- Search for duplicates.- Merge keywords. With lots of tricks, it can be done, but it's so inefficient.- Import keywords from within any level in the keyword hierarchy. Now you can only import keywords to the root level.- And for now last but most important: Real external editing of the keyword list. Moving keywords around and doing real heavy reorganization is difficult in LR. I would like to have an editing option like exporting and when reimported all changes are reflected in LR.

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513 Messages

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11.1K Points

9 years ago

Paul Wasserman write "What's the point of participating in these forums if key workflow features keep getting ignored, often in favor of one more bullet point for the features list.".

That's a very good question. I don't see any of the LR4 highlights anywhere near the top of the feature request list. Are participants of this forum regarded as geeks who do not represent the majority of (future) Lightroom users?

130 Messages

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2.4K Points

there is no reason.... adobe is just laughing at people thinking this forum has any influence on decisions made.

Champion

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5.9K Messages

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104K Points

There's no need to spam the forum Tanja - that'll just get your posts deleted. This forum DOES have an influence over which features are added - from memory, the top 3 major features were all included in the latest release. If you want to get some movement on this topic, feel free to drum up extra votes among other Lightroom users.

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

149 Messages

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3.3K Points

8 years ago

Another year, another release and zero keyword enhancements. :-(

-louie

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76.3K Points

And zero keyword bug fixes, or did I miss something?

130 Messages

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2.4K Points

yeah well... get used to it.

until adobe gets real competition they will do nothing.

6 Messages

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306 Points

8 years ago

I am currently seriously considering buying Canto single user to do my keywording in Canto and not bother purchasing an upgrade to Lightroom 5 as I think the keywording in Canto will be more flexible to my needs than can be done in Lightroom. I would prefere to do everything in the same programme though but if no keywording upgrades come to LR soon then Canto it is ( I have an old Mediadex licence that I used before switching the catalogue to LR so can get Canto for 50% discount)

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294 Points

7 years ago

UNDESIRABLE JUMPING OF KEYWORDS
I have a long list of keywords that need to be rearranged/sorted. for example I might have some specific names such as anthrenus or podisus that are currently standalone keywords and that I want to drop and drag into the hierarchy animal-insect. If the list of keywords (filtered or unfiltered) is longer than the height of the window, then when i click to select the first keyword to move, then the cursor immediately jumps to the top.

For example, if anthrenus and podisus are both near the bottom of the list and i want to drag them to the top, this means that i first click on anthrenus, INVOLUNTARY JUMPING to top of keyword list, scroll back down, Ctrl-click on podisus, INVOLUNTARY JUMPING to top of keyword list, scroll back down, then drag and drop both into the animal-insect hierarchy.
A partial but tedious work around is to filter sufficiently to reduce the number of visible keywords to less than the height of the window. But this means that when i am going thru a list of keywords to decide where to put them, i have to keep re-filtering to reduce the size. for example, in this case, i could filter on "insect anthrenus podisus" to get all three keywords visible. but if there happened to be another insect such as oncopeltus hidden in the list that i overlooked, i have now hidden this name, so I wont see it until i clear the filter, at which point i will need to re-filter for "insect oncopeltus", and so on. This is a real time-waster.

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3.3K Points

Yes I noticed this as well.

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598 Points

7 years ago

How about a complete window-size keywording panel - navigating the thin strip is quite tricky with the constant scrolling necessary.

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96 Points

good idea, especially because the font in the keyword is rather small and cant be changed afaik.

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3.4K Points

Excellent idea!  I would love to see a larger keywording panel!
Monty

149 Messages

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3.3K Points

7 years ago

Well it been three years since this topic was started. I'm not optimistic that any of these suggestions will see the light of day.

What to you say Adobe?

149 Messages

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3.3K Points

6 years ago

I wonder if there will be any changes in LR6? Probably not, as indicated by Adobe's nonresponse so far to any of these requests this seems to be a dead issue.

-louie

Champion

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5.4K Messages

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95.8K Points

Yeah, there have been very changes to the Library since LR 3 -- Adobe's attention seems focused elsewhere, unfortunately.

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2.4K Points

adobes focus is on hooking people to the cloud.. making money without doing something in return.

once you are in the cloud you have to pay anyway....

and don ́t get me started with the unusable beta features we get every 6 month.

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60 Points

6 years ago

Absolutely agree with earlier comments.

You should be able to scroll the Keyword list while still keeping the Keywording pane in view.

This is very frustrating.

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318 Points

6 years ago

As discussed here https://forums.adobe.com/message/7515... I have hundreds of keywords that have somehow been defined as people when they are not. The only way to change them to "other" is a three step process for each one. Surely there should be a better way?

149 Messages

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3.3K Points

6 years ago

Another major release and still none of these reasonable requests have been addressed. I would be overjoyed with simply the ability to search for phrases with imbedded spaces instead of "assuming" a logical OR. Come ON Adobe. All of us photographers live in the real world and have to deal with real things that have spaces in the descriptions.

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1.2K Points

5 years ago

Another voice to this request. Not only is keywording and keyword management in need of a major overhall as described in this request but it is totally non-existant in LR Mobile which is the task that LR Mobile is REALLY suited for.

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216 Points

5 years ago

Keywording is one of the things I've been hoping would be fixed/improved with every succeeding version of Lightroom, but I guess it's just not sexy enough to attract developers' attention. (Or probably not sexy enough to attract management's attention.)

I am also absolutely dying for a keyword tool where I can set standards for all new keywords like don't export 3rd level keywords or don't export synonyms or set all new "people" keywords to not export.

Another feature on my wish list is the ability to click on a photo's keyword symbol and have a popup show up with the assigned keywords - I don't always have the keyword panel open and it would be nice to not have to scroll up or down and click the keyword panel open.

Since this topic is 4 years old I don't hold old much hope for any improvements soon, but I just had to let out my frustration since I'm in the middle of keywording 1000 pictures.

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3.1K Points

5 years ago

Don't give up, at least we got finally CMYK soft proofing (which was "technically impossible", as we were told in the years before ;-)

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404 Points

5 years ago

As an IT person with 50 years experience, and, a software engineering academic of some small standing, I despair about the failure to use standard IR and query techniques on Lightroom and many other systems and web pages that support key words and querying. Simple boolean expressions are easy to understand and easy to implement. Simple conjunctive searches that treat the key word string K1 K2 ...Kn as K1 AND K2 AND ...Kn and do not require one to nominate the filed that the Ki in are liberating. Someone at Melbourne Uni built a front end for bib/roff under unix that did this, and, I used it for years.
Right now, I don't seem to be able to make catalog wide searches on Lightroom 4. That is an awful pain.
Come on adobe, fix these things! Surely you can do better than the Open Source projects like Thunderbird that ignore problems?

Champion

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104K Points

Why aren't you able to make catalog wide searches? If you select the All Photographs collection and select some search criteria, what happens? (And yes I understand the available criteria is limited, but just want to check there's nothing else going wrong here.)

Victoria Bampton a.k.a. The Lightroom Queen

www.lightroomqueen.com

Author of Adobe Lightroom Classic - The Missing FAQ and Adobe Lightroom - Edit Like a Pro books.

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404 Points

Ah.. Yes, somehow I missed that, thanks Victoria.. however, my complaint about Boolean searches still stands!

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12.3K Points

The Boolean capability of LR filters is somewhat limited. Each column in the filter is AND'd with each other column and multiple selections within a column are Or'd. So you can create (Keyword = A or B) AND (camera = Canon 5d). But what you can't do is (Keyword = "Good" OR Camera = Canon 5d). To do that you must either do multiple steps (e.g., do keyword filter, save results in quick collection, then do camera selection and add those images to QC) or use a smart collection.

Smart collection allow pretty any Boolean logic but the way they implemented it - to try and make it simple for people unfamiliar with Boolean logic - is quite cumbersome to those who just want to type out a Boolean string. In Smart collections, you start by deciding if your level 1 elements are to be "ANY" or "ALL" (OR or AND) in relation to each other. then you add a row for each thing you want in your logic. Many times this is sufficient.

However if you want to mix AND and OR operations you have to nest down to level 2 or lower. Do this by holding down the ALT key (Option on MAC) and the "+" signs at the right end of the level one elements become "#" signs. Click the "#" sign and you start a new group one level lower. This new group consists of rows that can be AND'd or OR's and the result of the entire group is then applied to Level 1. So level one could be ALL (AND) of: Rating=3, Keyword=Fred, Group2. Then group 2 could be ANY (OR) of: Color label = Blue, camera=Canon 5d.

Here's a boolean representation of this: AND (Rating=3, Keyword="Fred", OR (Color=blue, Camera=5d))

Here's the same thing written in a different way: (Rating=3 AND Keyword="Fred" AND (Color=Blue OR Camera=5d))

Like I said, it's a bit complex but once you build a few it is usable. There are some features that would make it easier like being able to drag one row or group to another position rather than having to delete and re-add but at least it can get the job done.

Dan

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2.4K Points

5 years ago

over 4 years and next to nothing happend.......