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Lightroom Classic : Ability to sync Keywords with the Lightroom Ecosystem

Keywords do not sync correctly: When added on the mobile app (iOS), they do not appear in LR classic and not in LR Web (I deleted the new LR CC immediately, this version does not make sense to me).
Same problem into the other direction: Keywords from LR classic do not appear on the mobile app. 
Attention: At this stage the whole keywording within the iOS app should not be used!

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2 years ago

I have a similar issue and trying to determine the cause. I'm using LR Classic 8.0 to upload images in a synced collection to the Cloud. When I go to LR Web (https://lightroom.adobe.com/) I can see all of the pictures in the collection, but only some of the images are showing the keywords assigned using LR Classic only and NOT LR CC. Some of the keywords were added after the collection was synced, but that shouldn't matter correct? If I apply Develop module edits to any image file in that collection the changes do get synced to the Cloud and can be seen in the Web view. I did install LR CC 2.0.2, but only to sync my custom camera profiles to the Cloud.

I forgot to add that this synced collection is now visible inside LR CC 2.0.2, but I have not applied any edits, keywords or added images.

Any ideas?


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With Classic, the key is that Adobe's server parses any keywords found in the smart preview that it receives when you sync a photo from Classic. A smart preview contains keywords if you have saved metadata back to the original before the smart preview was created.

You then have to examine a few scenarios:
1. No smart preview in Classic before syncing, and you have saved metadata back to the file. In this case, keywords are uploaded because sync creates the smart preview
2. Smart preview created before you save metadata back to the original, and you then sync. In this case, the smart preview already exists without any keywords (CmdS doesn't update the smart preview) and sync uses the existing smart preview.

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Thanks John, so this has nothing to do with LR CC? Smart Previews and Save Metatdata to File were NOT used with any of these image files before or after Sync to Cloud with LR Classic. What's the best way to get the current keywords in the LR Classic catalog up to the Smart Preview files in the Cloud?

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The only way is to unsync them all from CC, delete all smart previews if you have any, and do a write metadata to files. Then add them back to the sync and let them upload.

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Keywords entered in any LRCC app will appear in all other LRCC apps. Keywords from Classic only sync if metadata has been saved to the original/sidecar at the point a smart preview is baked. So syncing of keywords from Classic is accidental - Sync's code to generate smart previews simply processes the original, metadata and all.

You say you haven't entered the keywords in LRCC though, and since you say you didn't Save Metadata to File, my guess is that the keywords would not normally have come from Classic. So I am unclear why you have a mixture of some with, some without!

If the files are TIF/PSD,  keywords which you had applied to raw files could have been written to those TIF/PSD files as part of Edit In > Photoshop. LR would have carried those keywords over into the smart preview which it uploads.

One caveat is if the files have been synced for a long time - the keywords may have have been uploaded by earlier sync code which was abandoned. But this a wild guess, based on something I suspected was happening a year ago.

As for "What's the best way to get the current keywords in the LR Classic catalog up to the Smart Preview files in the Cloud?", you cannot get the keywords up to join these existing synced photos. However you could just sync them again - so unsync the photos, Save Metadata to File, delete any local smart previews, and then sync the photos again.

It's hugely disappointing that Adobe have made this decision.

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"The only way is to unsync them all from CC, delete all smart previews if you have any, and do a write metadata to files. Then add them back to the sync and let them upload."

Thanks Jao that procedure works to get the current keywords in the catalog up to the Cloud. The only way I can see to remove the files uploaded by LR Classic from LR CC is to 'Delete' them from LR CC. I deleted a single image from LR CC just as a test to make sure it wasn't deleted from the LR Classic catalog or hard drive. It wasn't deleted from either, but it was removed from the synced collection in LR Classic.

"You say you haven't entered the keywords in LRCC though, and since you say you didn't Save Metadata to File, my guess is that the keywords would not normally have come from Classic. So I am unclear why you have a mixture of some with, some without!"

John, I think what happened is that I added keywords to some pictures before adding all of them to a synced collection. I then proceeded to add keywords to other pictures in the collection, which as stated will NOT automatically sync up to the Cloud.

So what happens if I open LR CC Desktop, which will cause it to download and sync all of the LR Classic Smart Previews in the Cloud? Does that now prevent updating keywords in LR Classic as outlined above or will it still work? I'm reluctant to try it as I've sent the collection Web share link to others for review and I don't want to screw it up!

"It's hugely disappointing that Adobe have made this decision."
John, I couldn't agree with you more! I have no intentions of using LR CC at this time except for testing purposes. IMHO it's not ready for prime time use by professionals and serious amateurs who need the tools available in LR Classic. It can't be that difficult to add sync capability to LR Classic so that it can sync keywords properly AND custom camera profiles.

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"So what happens if I open LR CC Desktop, which will cause it to download and sync all of the LR Classic Smart Previews in the Cloud? Does that now prevent updating keywords in LR Classic as outlined above or will it still work? I'm reluctant to try it as I've sent the collection Web share link to others for review and I don't want to screw it up!"

It has no impact., Todd. Keywords still won't sync between Adobe's servers and Classic - they only get to LRCC accidentally as described above. You can carry on adding keywords in Classic, but they won't be synced.

Though I have been very enthusiastic about LR Mobile and liked how it let me take work away from the desktop, I agree with your comments about LRCC's suitability. I treat LRCC as "LR Mobile on my laptop" and do get a little value from that. There are obvious issues syncing keywords between Classic and LRCC, such as keyword hierarchy, but I can imagine more than one compromise solution that I would prefer over this decision to fail to sync metadata properly.

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2 years ago

Meanwhile I consider to switch from LR CC Classic to LR CC, then all is in sync. I have already bought the 1TB plan, but I would like to have a good backup of all my post processing steps. I mean a catalog similar to LR classic. Last year Victoria mentioned in Adobe forum that there is a local cache. Is this enough as a backup?

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No. It's purely a local cache and you can't do anything with it. But maybe start another thread - this is about keywords failing to sync.

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Hi John,
thanks for quick answer. Will search if there is a new answer to this question. 
I am aware that this is the Sync thread. The missing sync of keywords or the missing overall sync is the reason why I consider the switch from Classic to CC. Adobe is improving LR CC more and more and meanwhile it is quite good and perhaps a possibility to get rid of all these sync trouble.
:-)
Peter

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2 years ago

Here's a partial solution, though incomplete: 

If you're main desire is to create a gallery with up-to-date keywords, consider getting a SmugMug account.   I have their basic plan at $47.88/year, and there are plug-ins that allow you to sync a gallery with LR Classic, using the publish service.  You can edit keywords, titles, or captions on either end and have them sync to the other.  Visitors can sync on a keyword (i.e. person's name) and see all photos to which it applies.

The caveats:
  • Keywords are flat in SmugMug.  However, if you add one on the site that currently exists in your hierarchy, then when it syncs back, it will match it in the hierarchy.  I'm assuming this will break down in the event that you have more than one keyword with the same name.
  • You currently need to use two plug-ins to sync in both directions.  The official plug-in does a great job of updating the gallery if anything changes in LR.  However, I didn't find it to work at all when syncing changes from SmugMug back to LR.  In order to pull that off, you need to use a 2nd plug-in called Smug Syncback for Lightroom.  (This might be something you don't need, however.)
  • As a result, syncing is not automatic.  To sync from LR -> SmugMug, you either use the Publish command (for photo details or titles, keywords, and captions) or the Smug Syncback plug-in (just titles, keywords, and captions).   To sync back (titles, keywords, and captions), you need to use a command from the Smug Syncback plug-in.
  • Only titles, keywords, and captions can be synced back from SmugMug.  There is no ability to change the star rating of a photo within SmugMug, although the rating is viewable (but not prominent in any way).  You can make other edits to the photo on SmugMug, such as cropping, rotating, and color effects, but those don't sync back to LR. 
  • There's no facial recognition component or even the ability to demarcate a section of the photo to indicate who a keyword applies to, on SmugMug.  (I'm thinking, I might put up some old photos and ask relatives to identify people in the photo.  The most they can do is write in the keyword.  I would need to match it up with someone in the photo myself, using LR.)


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2 years ago

When one first adds an image in Classic to a Synced collection, the keywords on that image find their way to the Cloud version.  However, any subsequent changes to keywords in Classic to dot sync to the cloud and vice-versa.  

One way to "force" your classic Keywords to the cloud is to remove the image from all synced collections in Classic (i like to wait till I verify they are gone from the Cloud version) then add them back to their respective synced collections.  This of course requires them to be re-uploaded which can be time consuming if you have a lot of them.

The other thing I should point out (which I consider a bug) is that ALL keywords sync to the cloud, regardless of the check boxes on those keywords.  So, if you have keywords marked to be excluded on exports, they still are included in the cloud version of the image.  For example "My idiot cousin Fred".  Even though Adobe still says that syncing keywords is not a feature of the products and they have no intention of making it a feature the fact that keywords from Classic do go to the cloud they should at least adhere to the same rules as exporting.

Dan

PS if you think keyword syncing is important please vote for this thread  - DH

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"Forcing" is more complicated or accidental than you think - you need to include smart previews in your understanding. When Sync uploads a photo which has no smart preview, it creates one from the original and this new file happens to include any xmp metadata which has already been saved to the original. Any embedded keywords - not necessarily the current keywords in LR - are then parsed by the server.  It's similar if the photo already has a smart preview - again, any embedded keywords just go along for the ride.

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I have 85,014 total images in Classic of which 2,011 are synced to the cloud, yet when I look at the counts in the "Smart Preview Status" metadata filter it shows that I only have 32,010 images of which 2 have smart previews and 32,008 do not have smart previews (53,004 images unaccounted for )  There are no other filters set and my source is "All Photographs".   Based on this I presume it is safe to say that Smart Previews generated by the sync process (as opposed to those you choose to generate on your own) are what I would call "hidden Smart Previews".



Okay, so here's the experiment....

1) starting with an image that is synced in one collection and has a non hidden Smart Preview

Part 1

2) check keywords on image in Cloud
3) add new KW in Classic
4) No sync takes place.  New KW does not show up in Cloud

Part 2

5)  Remove Smart Preview of image in Classic
6)  Add new KW in Classic
7)  No Sync takes place.  New KW does not show up in Cloud

Part 3

8)  Remove image from Sync'ed collection in Classic
9)  Wait for "Sync 1 Image" to complete
10) Verify that image is gone from Cloud
11) Add new Keyword in Classic
12) Add image back to sync'ed collection in Classic
13) Wait for Sync 1 image to complete
14) Check Keywords in Cloud.  All keywords from classic are present, including new ones from this experiment.

Part 4

15)  Remove image from sync'ed collection in Classic
16) Verify image gone from cloud
17)  Create Smart Preview of image in classic
18)  Add new keyword in Classic
19)  Add image to sync'ed collection in Classic
20)  Wait for sync 1 photo to complete
21)  Check Keywords in cloud.  Newest KW not present


Hypothesis based on this experiment and comments in this thread  

If your image does not have a Smart Preview in classic (other than a hidden one created by the sync process), and you remove the image from all sync'ed collections (wait for sync to remove it from cloud), and then add it back to the sync'ed collection, all your classic keywords present when re-added to the first sync;ed collection will migrate to the cloud but will not update thereafter (in either direction).

If your image does have a non hidden Smart Collection (i.e. is one shown  as "has smart collection" in "Smart Preview Status" column of Metadata filter) removing the image from the sync'ed collection and then re-adding it does not refresh the keywords in the cloud.

I also presume that if the image is in more than one Sync'ed collection, that you'd have to discard the Smart Preview and remove it from ALL sync'ed collections then add it back to one or more sync'ed collections in order to get the Classic KW's up to the cloud.

Let me know if I missed something here or if there are other factors that influence this.

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O_0
What a post. So exhaustive. Sorry mine will not help you.
Your post explains perfectly what is totally crazy with Adobe offer:
In one hand : A 10yo+ software whom development is stopped (I mean for cloud functionality)
In other hand a slow development  beta software laking so much feature (print, smart folder, offline search and so on)
Resulting in poor user try to experiment (and share in your case) some information.
Pathetic.

The only happy people are teacher how how sells formation and books to explain how to import, tag and develop photo) and explain in some obscur FB group or forum to not install Classic and CC on same computer.

Go for C1, succeed your cloud by yourself 

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2 years ago

As a new adopter of Lightroom CC, I am stunned that my years of Lightroom Classic CC keywords will not sync properly with this new cloud/mobile platform. Adobe is supposed to be the "Gold Standard" for the industry. I don't understand how the company can disregard such a basic need.

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Amen! :D

Adobe is supposed to be the "Gold Standard"

Sorry to disappoint you, but you’ll find out the integration of sync options into classic is ... rather limited ;)

(And Adobe hais claimed they won’t improve it)

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It is much easier to understand if you accept the premise that the strategy of Adobe is to put the bulk of their effort into CC, at the expense of Classic, in order to "encourage" people to abandon Classic over time in favor of CC.  Eventually, dropping Classic from their list of supported applications. 

Adobe has not actually said this, but there are a large number of people believe that this is their strategy and will continue to believe this unless Adobe makes a statement to the contrary or we start seeing more Library Module improvements in Classic, many of which have been on the wish list for years.  One such improvement (which, if I recall correctly, Adobe Marked as "not being considered") is sync Keywords between Classic and Cloud.  There are many others as well.

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I believe the reason for this was (and I think it was further back in this or another comment thread) that keywords on CC were AI generated (in addition to human created) and the two systems just weren't compatible with each other at a technical level.  To me it seems pretty easy to just send data back and forth, but I also know that software is very complex and both LRs are *huge* undertakings of software. 

I'd be happy with just some more improvements to Classic and a bit more guarentee it's not going away any time soon.  Course the latest updated *did* just come out and it did have new features, so maybe I'm just wanting all my wishlist items *right* now :)

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I am very happy with LR Classic. The only reason I come back every now and then to LR CC is the fact that there is a mobile version which runs on my iPad Pro (and I would be able to travel light). I would leave LR Classic with a heavy heart (and as an unhappy costumer) and move to CC if the mobile version would at least support one of the very key functions of LR in a professional manner: organizing photos and adding keywords. But even the latest update a couple of days ago again did not address this matter. You have to add keywords to every single picture one after the other. No function to at least tag a couple of pictures to add keywords to all this pictures in one step. Just imagine after a day in the field with hundreds of photos! If Adobe really wants us to switch to CC (as regrettable as it might be) they should at least address the basic functionality for the mobile version. For the desktop version there are some alternatives around. But as of today I do not know of any usable offer from the competition.

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Hubertus, Adobe does not want us to switch. They are simply providing multiple products to supply different audiences. Lightroom CC is meant to attract a different base of users than Classic. The fact that Classic is not being neglected or phased out is clear from the active addition of features to Classic and strong development they are doing. Most new features get added first to Classic! It is very hard to argue that Adobe is putting most of its resources at CC. That is simply belied by the very public evidence. Also despite what some people think, Adobe is not stupid. They would get their lunch eaten by several competitors if they move to CC only. The competition is quite good.
Classic and CC are simply aimed at different audiences. CC does not scale to the levels high volume shooters need because of its internet/cloud centric design and won't for quite a while. It also misses almost every essential feature needed and will so for a very very long time if you extrapolate from how slow it has come along. In the mean time, CC works perfectly fine for those people that only live in the internet sphere, never print, do not shoot large volumes, hate keywording but still like to eke some extra quality out of their (imagine mostly iPhone raw) shots and like having all images available everywhere. Classic simply doesn't work for them. For everybody else Classic will be there.

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I am not seeing it the same way as you are Jao. 

Almost all the changes incorporated into Classic since CC came out have been based in ACR (Adobe Camera Raw).  This is what drives the develop module and drives ACR in Photoshop as well as the desktop Lightroom CC.  It also is the root of LR CC mobile apps.  So, the bulk of the development (concept, design, mode of operation, logic, and most of the coding) gets done once and is then adapted to all three platforms (LR Classic, ACR, and LR CC).  So, it's more like classic is just piggy-backing on the CC development in regards to the Develop module.   

However, except for some very minor (and trivial) changes such as color labels on folders, there has been very little to get excited about in LR Classic Library Module.  They did *finally" beef up the Book Module with custom page layouts (too little too late IMHO) but for the most part not much has been done for Classic outside of the Develop Module.  

In addition, I recall reading something from Adobe when CC first came out (and everyone was confused) that they would not be doing much of anything with Classic except for the Develop module and this is what we have been experiencing.  This is what sparked all the speculation and debate about their long range goals for the product.  I have seen nothing since then that is contrary to this perceived direction other than a lot of people complaining about it.

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At the time of the rebranding to LR CC and LR Classic, Victoria Bampton, who is well-connected to Adobe, wrote, ""Future development of Lightroom Classic is being refocused on improving performance and enhancing the editing tools." 

Since then, it appears to me that's what Adobe has focused on.  They have fixed more bugs, including Library bugs, in the last year or so than in previous years. But no significant improvements except to Develop and Book.

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It is obvious Classic does not evolve and probably will not less and less. Ressources are not infinite , even for the creator of the monstrous adobe reader and flash and so on.

But the strange thing is Adobe (it is what I can read here) creating 2 category :
One with the old way using a desktop with a slow Classic and poor cloud functionality.
Second with a fast app for desktop and mobile (really a great piece of software) with no power functionality or no basic functionality (print, keyword,smart folder...).
But you are ready to use the powerful app at home or at office and want to use some cloud functionality we are said to not understand the way adobe create the 2 app’.
That is just crazy the 2 solutions does not communicate better (for example about creating folder /collection, keyword) to comply with people who need the best of the 2 world.

For apple / Mac / iPad users, the only chance I see in a near future to see our best wishes is to wait for the arm cpu MacBook and the marzipan project. We will have the best of the 2 worlds and probably some competitors to LR. Resulting in a rush at adobe office to listen to their customer.

Beg your pardon, English is not my mother tongue.

Go for C1, succeed your cloud by yourself 

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Does not evolve? I disagree. Classic has had many changes and even new features recently, from the profile system changes to HDR panoramas to various little fixes and improvements.

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There are updates, but many people feel like it’s “just to keep people happy”, not real updates. And the vast majority of them are in ACR and can easily be “recycled” in classic.

HDR Panos is great, but is not really new, just a process improvement.

Profiles is... ok... a way to apply presets before touching sliders...

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.... And, profiles are really part of ACR as well.

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Bottom line, I feel like they are keeping classic alive until CC cloud is mature enough to switch classic down. I don’t see any reason for them to keep developing 2 versions of LR forever.
That day will be without me :-)

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We need to put things in perspective. Evolution (?) is very marginal.
LR classic costs a whole 144€/year ti use a software we already own and add some HDR pano (great) and profiles. does it  worth this price to pay???
As usual we will ear from defendant : for this price you have PS (who cares if you don't use it) and CC.  But CC is far from usable (fast but weak or limited or marketed limitation).
Furthermore Mac and iOS version are far from aligned and for example does not synchronise signature

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Exactly!

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2 years ago

Alan (and others),

I know about the Sensei engine for finding images in CC.  For example "Waterfall" or "Fred" or "Golden Gate Bridge" but my understanding is that this is an AI search technology at the point of query and does not result in the saving or storage of any actual keywords with the image(s).  And, i infer that the Sensei search not only interprets image content (pixels), but also includes the search of keywords attached to images by the photographer (either came along from Classic when first synced or added by hand in CC). 

Do you have info that the CC Sensei technology also adds actual keywords to images based on analysis of the pixels?  If so that would be quite interesting to know.

Dan

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Sensei searches both AI keywords and manually added keywords. The sensei keywords are stored with the images as I understand it but they are not user accessible- i.e. you can't actually see the keywords it generates for your images. Being able to see the AI keywords has been a requested feature here but Adobe hasn't enabled that. It would be very handy to see how it categorizes (or miscategorizes) images.

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I don't think I heard that before.  Is there any written info from Adobe that this is the way it works?   

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No, but it is correct. You can prove it by testing.

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Sad keyword (from sensei)not accessible or automatically visible (like google photo for example). But I can understand. Everybody use sensei to add keyword and finally remove, making no more money earn for Adobe. 
I wonder if keyword can be recorded in file or xmp side file or if it is only in the data base of CC (because of no sync with classic etc limitation.. marketing... segmentation)

Go for C1, succeed your cloud by yourself 

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2 years ago

If CC is ever to be taken seriously, it must be considered as being "in addition to" classic, rather than "in place of" Classic.  There is just too much missing from CC for Adobe to bridge the gap using the current CC architecture and design.  It's just not up to the task.  Therefore Adobe must assure that they work well together.  That means syncing all creditably data.  That may also mean implementing hierarchical keywording in CC as an option.   

There are some nice things about the CC version but there is so much missing that using it is like trying to play Mozart on a piano made by Mattel.

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Rewriting Lightroom is (was?) not a bad idea: LR is painstakingly slow and could use a facelift. Unfortunately, CC is not up to the task, like you said.

... and not to forget the « whole cloud » philosophy which is matter for debate. (Spoiler alert: never will I leave my pictures ONLY into the cloud nor will I support a company making countless efforts in keeping my data captive).

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2 years ago

As I described above, the Adobe Creative SDK inexplicably omits keywords from its APIs.  If it provided keywords (a very small amount of engineering), then plugins could easily sync keywords in both directions, even handling the common use-cases of hierarchical keywords. So add your vote to this feature request: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/creative-sdk-provide-access-to-lightroom-cc-keywords

A couple years ago Adobe promised a shiny new CC Storage API that would provide access to all Creative Cloud "assets" using modern REST APIs.  Recently, they've said it's coming in 2019.  One can only hope that they don't omit keywords and other metadata from the API.   If they ever deliver a full-fledged API, then a third-party plugin could provide the full sync between Classic and CC that Adobe doesn't want to implement: keywords, smart collections, syncing originals rather than smart previews, more flexible deletion:
https://www.adobe.io/apis/creativecloud/ccstorageapi.html

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"Recently, they've said it's coming in 2019. "

Where have you seen that, John?

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I suggest anyone interested should "sign up" at the above link John provided. They ask a few questions and then a closing message states you will be notified via email when it is launched. No actual launch date is given other than 2019.

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a year ago

I'd like to extend this "FEATURE REQUEST"  a bit. 

We need a way to designate options on Keywords in Classic that pertain to syncing.  Right now, when the Smart Collection used for syncing is first created (either by the user or automatically) all the keywords get included in the smart preview including all parent keywords and excluding all synonyms - regardless of which options are selected in the add/edit keyword screen.  What we need is the addition of a few more options on keywords such as "Sync this Keyword",  "Sync Synonyms",  "Sync Containing Keyword".  

One of the excuses Adobe has expressed in implementing keyword syncing is that keywords in LR Cloud are linear whereas in LR Classic they are hierarchical.  One solution would be to make them hierarchical in the LR Cloud eco-system as well but that may be too much to ask. 

Assuming they stay linear in one and hierarchical in the other, presents a problem as the same Keyword can appear in several hierarchies in Classic.  For example "Red" could be under "Birds" and under "Cars" in LR Classic but in LR Cloud there could only be one which would make syncing problematic.  Without going into all the logic permutations, one solution  is that in LR Classic, whenever you mark a Keyword to Sync, it checks to assure that another keyword with the same name but under a different parent is not also marked to Sync.  If so, it would deny the request to mark it for sync.  In this way, there would no longer be a case where a single keyword in LR Cloud could map to more than one keyword in LR Classic.  In our example, if one wanted both occurrences of "red" to sync, the user would need to rename one or both of them (e.g.  Red-Bird and Red-Car).

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154 Points

a year ago

I don't see why the keywords cannot be made the same between LR Classic and LR Mobile.  It's too difficult to do any more than moderate edits on the phone, but tagging is a great use of down time, if only they would sync back to Classic.  Heck, even if it doesn't have the same hierarchy, at least a tag can be set and easily re-tagged in classic.

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Keywords are plain text. They are simply parsed differently in different apps.

keyword a|keyword b|keyword c

keyword a
          keyword b
                    keyword c

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a year ago

Even keeping the constraint that LR Classic uses hierarchical KW's and LR Cloud uses a linear (flat) KW structure, this problem can be solved.  There are, of course, some technical aspects but the main rationale I've heard so far for not doing this is the logical problem of how to map a hierarchical structure to a linear structure.  One solution is to convert LR Cloud to a hierarchical structure but putting that aside, here is one possible solution to that problem:

1)  In LR Classic, Adobe can add check boxes in the create/edit keyword dialog for
  • "Sync this KW with LR Cloud"
  • "Sync Containing KW's with LR Cloud"
  • "Sync Synonyms with LR Cloud (would become regular KW's in LR Cloud)
2)  When a user ticks any of these boxes, LR Classic would check to assure that it is not redundant.  For example.  If you already ticked KW "Red" under "Flowers", and now you are trying to tick keyword "Red" under "Cars": it would reject the request as a duplicate.  By doing this, it will enforce a one to one correspondence between ticked KW's in LR Classic and KW's in LR Cloud - thus allowing two way sync

3)  If an image in LR Classic gets or loses a keyword with one or more of these ticked boxes, or the tick's get changed, that change can be placed in the Smart Preview (or XMP data) and can sync to LR Cloud.  This may include adding the KW to LR Cloud, adding an LR Cloud KW to the image or removing a KW from the image in LR Cloud

4)  If a user defined KW is added to an image in LR Cloud it could map to either no KW's in LR Classic or at the most to one "ticked" KW in LR Classic.  In the former case, LR Classic would create the new KW at the root level of the Hierarchy with "Sync this KW with LR Cloud" ticked.  In the later case there would be only 1 ticked LR Classic Keyword with that name that would be affected.

THIS CAN BE DONE if there is a will to do so at Adobe and the more people who "vote" for having KW's sync between the ecosystems, the more it will push Adobe to re-consider this.   

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16K Points

Once again, you’ve proved it’s not a technical issue but a marketing decision.

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154 Points

I totally agree.  I can appreciate the artificial inteiligence and the assigning objects that Lightroom recognizes, but this is not perfect by any means.  I thought one of the objectives of Lightroom is to give the user control over their catalog and have the flexibility needed for their system, not impose Adobe's thinking.  Given Lightrooms intentional limitation, i will just have to work around that, though i don't like it, simply use the mobile cc version for just showing friends and family, not for working, because despite what they say, without keywords, it's useless to use mobile for working on assets.

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356 Points

a year ago

It is really easy to understand.
Adobe does not want you to manage your keyword. As far your use Classic, you are in control. As far you use mobile, you lose control on your asset. Everything is done you can't use Classic and mobile in conjunction to make your asset virtually "captive". 
So Adobe will not make it. You have the choice of using the old and slow Classic or the new and fast but weak mobile.
Pay may friend, pay.

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16K Points

Exactly

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356 Points

 I've switch to C1. Not perfect but the way the session works, the fact I can use it for as long I want, the way I can use my own cloud fit perfectly my needs.

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16K Points

The cloud -despite its bug and limitations- is literally the only thing keeping me with LR. How do you work with cloud?

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22.5K Points

Just storing your files in Dropbox-like folders (which C1, LR or any other app can do) and adopting a Bridge-style folder-based workflow isn't remotely the same as having a cloud-based mobile toolset like Lightroom iOS/Android/Web which lets you make adjustments and add (some) metadata.

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356 Points

I'm using iCloud, 2TB I can use the way I want for 10€/Mo.
It works. 
With C1 I can grab a session on my second computer.

About cloud, have a read here : https://www.on1.com/products/2020-preview/

Sync services arrive at the competitor. No closed cloud. No monthly fee (at least for the software), I don't know for the service sync

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16K Points

... so we’ll see a good LR update in October, I guess

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152 Points

a year ago

It is such a pity not to be able to edit, tag keywords, identify faces.... on mobile while traveling for a long period and have these synced on the computer while coming back at home. It seems so obvious. Some features are not accessible on the mobile version (starting with print) and you cannot do them based on the info you / faces tagged! And adobe has intention of implementing this ? It means adobe has no intention to allow a proper mobile + desktop workflow! This questions why I should get the expensive cloud (mobile + classic) package... I’m a customer for lightroom from the beginning and was excited to implement a mobile workflow. What a disappointment!
Is thee any turn around? Any process to get into classic the info I took hours tu plug in the mobile version? Export and re import....

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80 Points

10 months ago

I agree with all the above comments. I purchased Lightroom many years ago and kept upgrading until the subscription version came out. Then I sat for many years. Then maps stopped working. Then I started getting odd artifacts on my screen, so I updated to the subscription model. I was shocked to see that I could not syn key words. Missing this feature is huge. Like others I would like to organization on my mobile and do more detailed edit on the PC. If I can't I don't need the mobile version, so I may as well just move away from Lightroom to another organizer. Adobe please fix before I decided to move. As you know moving will be hard so once I do it I will not be coming back.

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62 Points

8 months ago

Would be great to have this feature in the near future. It cannot be a solution to do the sync of the keywords manually.