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3.1K Points

Thu, Oct 19, 2017 7:11 AM

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Lightroom Classic : Ability to sync Keywords with the Lightroom Ecosystem

Keywords do not sync correctly: When added on the mobile app (iOS), they do not appear in LR classic and not in LR Web (I deleted the new LR CC immediately, this version does not make sense to me).
Same problem into the other direction: Keywords from LR classic do not appear on the mobile app. 
Attention: At this stage the whole keywording within the iOS app should not be used!

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192 Points

1 y ago

Very disappointing. Adobe please - Official reply states:
(1) A hierarchical schema is not compatible for various workflow reasons with a flat schema - ergo there is no syncing of keywords between the two.  
(2) The two products are designed for different audiences and workflows.

I know that it is tiresome to get the "I'm a software engineer myself, how hard can it be" over and over again, but maybe it would make you think twice? So, flattening the hierarchy when syncing, or only syncing a specific level, would be a somewhat acceptable limitation, near or long term. Not wanting to do it is just a decision. Then say it like it is.

Worst problem is the second part of the answer, about the product being for different audiences and workflows. Wake up and listen to your users - Lightroom CC/Mobile has been adopted as a long awaited valuable addition to the professional workflow of your LIghtroom Classic users, making it possible to work when not on the main system, and to delegate tasks like rating and adjustments. For many, what you have already now solves year-long problems of not being able to share catalogues or use network drives. Now it even works when syncing only the previews rather than the full images! It is genious - Adobe, you struck gold here for the workflow of professionals, and CaptureOne or anything else does not have anything like this yet. This is your value-prop, and you are alone on the market. Unless your only plan with Lightroom is to be freeware for instagram posting, please stop claiming that one Lightroom has nothing to do with the other Lightroom, and make your program managers understand that your users do not share the view of them being different workflows. You are throwing away your advantage.

I wonder if this will be read.

  

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112 Points

1 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Keywording is a lot of work for losing it on the cloud !.

Seems incredible that keywords sync is not posible between LR platforms... Hardly to believe that it`s not technically posible when you can even sync develop settings... Why is that?


Keywords sync between LR platforms is a must !


Please, Adobe, fix this !

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154 Points

1 y ago

Please, please, please fix this!

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146 Points

1 y ago

I do struggle with the attempt to be able to sort, edit, keyword all my pictures on more than one Laptop. I like Lightroom Classic, especially since the speed dramatically increased.

Now I thought, it would be a good option to have the "main" editing and stuff on my laptop and sync with my second laptop and even my smartphone using the mobile versions. Like all the others, I struggled with keywords the most.

I do not understand why keyword syncing is not possible. And if so, why is it not possible to collaborate on two Laptops with Lightroom classic on one catalog?

In my opinion, Adobe's mentality is ten or twenty years behind the state-of-the-art with regards to cloud functions, syncing and customer care.

Can someone recommend a lightroom alternative, which can be used synchronously on two laptops? I could store the catalog on a performant network drive. Ideally, the lightroom catalog should be imported into the new software. Ideally, the new software has no such strong vendor lock-in like Adobe.

So, can someone recommend an alternative?

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154 Points

1 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Why don't keywords replicate properly between classic and mobile?..

Why don't keywords replicate properly between classic and mobile? If I change or add keywords after images have been synced the alterations don't replicate.

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192 Points

1 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Keywords do not sync between Lightroom Classic and the cloud.

When is going to be this possible? I think it would be very usefull for everyone

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428 Points

1 y ago

This decision by Adobe is baffling. I tried the keyword feature on CC and it was a nightmare. I can't see the AI keywords? I can't search even my own keywords if I don't have an internet connection? I get that there are two audiences - "classic" vs "mobile". But why wouldn't "classic" users want cloud capability? I've read many people say "because Adobe wants more money; driving everyone to CC because it's cloud based". But they're already getting my money! They won't get more by getting me to switch to CC. I pay monthly for classic. I'm willing to pay more monthly for cloud storage. But instead they are trying for artificially tie "cloud" with "dumbed down mobile". There is surely an audience for that, but they are killing the rest of us. I was literally about to pay for 1Tb of cloud storage with them (more money for them!), but now that I fully understand their keyword "strategy", I'm not. It's really unclear is this choice is creating more revenue for them. Sigh. Off to look for alternatives...

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12.8K Points

1 y ago

Ever feel like you are whistling in the wind? 

This thread, if anything, should indicate to Adobe that this is a problem that deserves some sort of a response other than the "it can't be done" ones they've provided so far and to which several people (including myself) have offered viable ways to do it.  These range from 'add hierarchical KW's to Cloud based system" to a way to assure a non conflict sync between the hierarchical Classic and the flat CC worlds. 

But all we hear from Adobe is silence, and the less we hear the higher our blood pressure goes, the higher our frustration level rises, and the angrier we get.   

I don't know how long a problem thread like this needs to get or how many "Likes" on a thread it takes to get this off the dime, but apparently we're not there yet.  At some point, some high level person at Adobe made a strategic decision that prevents the keyword sycing from seeing the light of day.  I don't know what that decision was.  Maybe it is that LR Cloud based is intended to replace Classic at some point.  Maybe it is that LR Cloud was always intended to be a "Lightroom Light" or "dumbed down" sort of application aimed at a different audience than Classic.  It is hard to know.  However it is not hard to observe that so far Adobe apparently has not seen fit to re-evaluate that strategy.  

When I was a manager in computer application development we had a word for this.  We called it "Married to an idea".  It happens when someone (usually a high level person) sells an idea which sounds good at the time and in one way or another bets their credibility (or perhaps their career with that company) on that idea.  Then when it turns out that  things unfold differently than originally anticipated they won't let go of that original idea and just cling to it like gold even though it is now no longer a wise strategy.  They just don't want to "look bad" or "lose face" so they just keep going and ignoring all evidence that what had been a good idea at one time is now the opposite.  Can I prove any of this?  No.  Have I seen it dozens of times?  Yes.  Does the evidence fit this scenario?  Yes. 
Am I optimistic that this will change?  No.  Am I hopeful that it will change?  Yes.

OK,  I'll climb down off my soap box now and go back to my corner.. 


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454 Points

1 y ago

This issue is now three years old and still with users actively sharing their frustrations. It's a basic functionality that's keeping many of us from using CC. A small technical hurdle but clearly held up somewhere in management. Adobe, we need this. Let the programmers make it happen and we will all happily continue supporting your products. Meantime we are coming up with convoluted solutions of our own that cost us a ridiculous number of hours and force us to break out of your cloud.

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150 Points

1 y ago

I can't believe Adobe did not think about that. This is very annoying. Lightroom CC is very useful, but without keyword synchronization, and without colors added to the photos, it's a nightmare when I am looking for a photo from my phone, when I don't have access to Lightroom classic.

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106 Points

1 y ago

Just adding my voice to the chorus of complaints. The lack of keyword sync is closing in on deal-breaker status for me. I guess Adobe is feeling confident LR is still the best right now, but ignoring straight-forward feature requests from a crowd of paying customers seems like a bad business plan to me.

I just can't comprehend why they wouldn't implement the sync, I can't imagine what other features it would conflict with.

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154 Points

1 y ago

I for one am starting to look into other photo management software such as Capture One.  I believe that if enough of us starting to consider alternatives and started migrating our images over, then would Adobe start to listen.  Currently they do not feel there is any incentive to do so nor really care to.  This is evident in the manner in which they are silent on the topic and all the responses we are seeing are from other disgruntled users.  Food For Thought.

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428 Points

1 y ago

Just pulled the trigger - Adobe is no longer getting my monthly subscription. That lack of $9.99 monthly revenue will surely bring them to their knees! Sigh, well, I can dream. Anyway, I've moved on to ON1 RAW with the 360 cloud service. The desktop software is quite nice (I'm not missing anything from Lightroom yet), but the mobile software (which JUST launched) I'll charitably call "a work in progress". You can see all of your synced photos which sync with a smaller, compressed version. The smaller files plus a minimum storage of 200Gb means I was able to comfortably sync all my photos. But that's the end of the good news for the mobile app - you can't add tags (!) and the albums (ON1's version of collections) can't be nested (as they can in the desktop software). The GOOD news as the company is clearly very active in rolling out improvements. I decided to give them my money to continue encouraging those improvements since Adobe clearly has no intention of doing so.

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18.2K Points

10 m ago

I've stayed out of this because I have zero use for the online ecosystem.

However, its disingenuous to claim that hierarchical keywords cannot be maintained by Lightroom CC et al.

Keywords are plain text and are written into the file as "parent" + separator + "child." In other words, "Bird|Sparrow" would be a hierarchical keyword in the file.

ALL of the interpretation is done on the client side. So the photo viewing app reads the metadata and determines that "|" is a separator.

The easiest route would be preserve the hierarchy as it is written in the file and let each app interpret it. Lightroom CC uses a flat structure where "Bird|Sparrow" is the keyword and either ignores "Bird" or shows it. Lightroom Classic interprets it as hierarchical.

Adobe already deals with this problem in Bridge, which can use either flat or hierarchical keywords.

https://helpx.adobe.com/bridge/kb/nested-hierarchal-keywording-bridge.html

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90 Points

9 m ago

I use Lightroom Mobile and Classic. I would love to be able to save time by keyword tagging photos in Mobile. To do that effectively I would like to have access to my Classic keyword list within Mobile. Also, since Adobe Stock has a 50 keyword limit, with the first 10 keywords having greater importance, it would be nice to be able to organize my keywords in both Mobile and Classic to accommodate that limit.

Note: This comment was created from a merged conversation originally titled Better keyword integration between Mobile and Classic