detlef_hoepfner's profile

44 Messages

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3.1K Points

Thu, Oct 19, 2017 7:11 AM

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Lightroom Classic : Ability to sync Keywords with the Lightroom Ecosystem

Keywords do not sync correctly: When added on the mobile app (iOS), they do not appear in LR classic and not in LR Web (I deleted the new LR CC immediately, this version does not make sense to me).
Same problem into the other direction: Keywords from LR classic do not appear on the mobile app. 
Attention: At this stage the whole keywording within the iOS app should not be used!

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16 Messages

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428 Points

3 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Keyword sync beetween Lightroom Classic and Mobile.

Good evening!
Should not keywords be synchronized between Lightroom Classic CC and Lightroom Mobile?
Those that I insert in the Mobile version should end in the Classic version and vice versa ...
I am wrong?

326 Messages

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5.6K Points

3 y ago

Have converted / filled my keywords to others fields which are synched, but the VERY BAD thing is that without an online connection I cannot search for pictures in LR CC mobile. Imagine you want to show pictures to friends and you cannot find , because Adobe are not allowing and offline search. Very disappointing. And I pay monthly for this software.

29 Messages

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564 Points

3 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom CC/Classic: Keywords not updated; syncing problematic.

I tried using the new LR CC on my desktop, together with LR Classic CC.  I found the latter to be similar to CC for Web, with some additions.  Syncing worked fine if, for instance, I added a star rating to one of my photos, removed it from an album, or stopped syncing a specific album.  Right away, the changes would propagate to LR CC and CC for Web.

However, the same could not be said for keywords (which, of course, are only relevant to LR CC, but not CC for Web).  First off, I discovered that LR CC was only picking up keywords that had been written as metadata to disk.  That means that before syncing a collection from LR Classic, I needed to save metadata to file.  If I had already synced the collection and then saved the metadata, the changes were not picked up by LR CC.  Even if I quit and restarted the program, the metadata was not reloaded.  And that's despite the fact that LR Classic would immediately sync the file anew whenever I saved the metadata to file.  

The only way I could get LR CC to re-read the metadata was to first stop syncing the collection from within LR Classic, then to delete all the individual photos from the "All Photos" view within LR CC, and then to sync the collection again.

(Incidentally, related to this is the issue of how to control which keywords are written to file.  I had indicated not to export certain keywords, yet those were still saved as metadata and picked up by LR CC.  And even this behavior was not consistent.  Certain higher-level keywords appear to have been applied to some photos but not others within the same album.)

Another issue is that there doesn't seem to be a way to edit keywords.  At some point, I had corrected the spelling for someone's name keyword on LR Classic.  The earlier spelling seems to have been saved to metadata, because when I synced a photo of the person, LR CC had a keyword for each spelling.  I could remove the incorrect keyword from the individual photo, but there didn't seem to be a way to do this across the whole system.

26 Messages

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872 Points

3 y ago

This is certainly a disappointing limitation. But what's especially disappointing is that it's entirely unexpected (since all other fields are synchronized), and there's no communication in the product that this field won't be synchronized.

At minimum, I'd recommend adding a warning to the user the first time they try to edit keywords on a collection synchronized with Lightroom Classic; that would avoid a lot of frustration and confusion as users attempt to troubleshoot why keywords aren't synchronizing (even though everything else is). 

In my case, I spent an hour troubleshooting this before looking online—and realizing that it was "by design".

29 Messages

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1.3K Points

3 y ago

For me one of the most valuable cloud integrations would be synchronized keywords between the Lightroom Classic CC infrastructure and Lightroom CC - because I like to use my tablet at home on the garden deck or sofa to surf the web and then, when I feel like it, I would like to use it to add keywords to images that still didn't get any. So I am forced to sit in a stuffy edge of my workspace which I have set up to have little outside light (so that I get the benefit of correct image display on my main screen) and work on those tags. It really should have been there years ago.

Oh, and I would like to be able to search through my synchronized collections in Lightroom CC - I sometimes do in promptu presentations of some of my images, I would really like to be able to get all my images of say a specific butterfly to show the best of them to someone who asked - currently I have to remember in which collection and approximately where in that collection I may have one of these images.

The lack of these keyword functions currently is one of the biggest omissions in the whole of the Adobe Cloud...

7 Messages

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520 Points

3 y ago

I too naively assumed that Keywords entered in Lightroom on my iPad would sync back to theClassic version on my Mac. Having done so for many hundreds of photos on my last trip I now find I have to do the work all over again. Frankly the split of Lightroom into various iterations is confusing and not helped by Adobe failing to make the limitation clear in anything easily accessible to the normal user. 

5 Messages

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122 Points

3 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom: Keywords created in LR Classic do NOT sync with Lightroom CC.

keywords created in LR Classic do NOT sync with Lightroom CC

3 Messages

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242 Points

3 y ago

Please, Adobe, implement keyword sync between Classic and Mobile: this is a critical feature for searching and selecting images in Mobile. Sensei search is great, but it cannot cover abstract keywords that describe all sorts of non-visual aspects in images.

176 Messages

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3.7K Points

3 y ago

Sync is not the only critical missing feature. But case sensitive keyword is useless. List of keyword in CC should be implemented. Add keyword in multiple photos in iOS should be a  etc etc

4 Messages

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204 Points

3 y ago

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Please Conform Commenting and Keywords across Lightroom Classic and CC.

I need my clients to be able to add Comments and have the keywords they add in Lightroom CC computer version to sync with the hosted Lightroom Classic Catalog. 

176 Messages

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3.7K Points

3 y ago

When I read those really interesting comment, I find crazy Adobe does not takes in account our requests. 
The most we use classic or LR, the most we discover missing feature.

I would like to know if it is deliberate or not. 

It make me thing we are paying a whole 24 bucks a month for a beta software. in fact we are paying the development of the software but our voice is not take in account,

Thats unfair from adobe.

176 Messages

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3.7K Points

3 y ago

Hi Rikk thanks for reply.

I understand (too late because it is obvious only after switching but understood)

That is the problem. All is said in one sentence.
2 audiances. But why??
We need cloud. Ok you will have to loose all others functionality.
Ok i want functionality. Ok you will not have the cloud because we think you are part of the other audience.

But WHY?
I need to switch beewten the 2 software because on classic I can easily sort photo without tag or gps data. And I can create smart folder with tag etc etc.
This is MY WOKFLOw

Why an another audience how needs cloud should not be able to simply sort photo without tag?
Can you explain why it is an another audience? No you can’t.

Why because I want a full cloud solution I’m not able to print? You can’t.
I don’t even think about contact sheet I do need.
Of one day we can print it will be explain,1) it is to expensive /complex to implement 2) I’m not in the good audience and people which use cloud do not need such a feature or not understand Lr.

About tag sync:
I have not hierarchical tag in claissic. Do not need.
I have 25 (about) tag label and because it is. It hierarchical it should be simply sync. Hope it will be.

All this is very sad.

5mn reading this help content show clearly adobe is killing itself.

29 Messages

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1.3K Points

3 y ago

Let me explain why the failure to carry over keywords in the synchronisation is a big problem for me! I am a nature photographer, often hiking many miles to remote locations to photograph rare orchids. There usually (the area being nature reserves) is no or very bad cell coverage. Often I am meeting up with fellow orchidophiles or meet groups in the field - several times I have had chanche meetings with reknown experts. On such meetings you start exchanging information about locations and often show pictures of recent or not so recent discoveries, usually showing photos because they help. Several times I had made false determinations - no „Sensei AI“ will be able to distinguish an Ophrys aymonii x aranifera hybrid from an Ophrys insectifera x aranifera hybrid but the experts often can and will correct the mistakes - so I need to update the keywords on the falsely identified orchids. And there I am, I can open up a paper notebook, write down the image identification (name, date, time) and make a note of the correct identification so that weeks later when I return to my office PC I can go through those notes - just because Lightroom CC can‘t update the keywords of images synchronized from Lightroom Classic CC collections. Very very stupid!

7 Messages

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454 Points

3 y ago

The best yet ridiculous workaround I've found is to do all my editing and metadata in Lightroom Classic "CC," add the name of the folder in Lr as "title" metadata, export as jpgs, and import to Photos on a Mac, which *does* sync keywords with iCloud, and then... the Apple Photos app on an iOS device can actually do a decent search with that!

That plan is obviously not useful for many reasons, especially with being able to find recent photos I've spent time tagging from a desktop while mobile. There is no ability to do the reverse with Lightroom CC (which would also be how any normal user would expect it to work), and no reason for pros to use Lightroom as a one-and-only tool if such a fundamental capability we rely on simply doesn't work.

This is a glaring problem with the Lightroom workflow Adobe. We'd love to use your mobile app but this method of not using it is what it's come down to in the meantime! Please address this so we can move forward together with CC as an actual professional tool.

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6K Messages

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103.4K Points

3 y ago

I investigated writing a plugin that would sync keywords from LR CC back to LR Classic. Unfortunately, the Creative SDK (Software Development Kit) provides access to all the other metadata fields -- title, caption, capture date, flag, and rating -- but, inexplicably, not keywords!  

If it provided access to keywords, it would be straightforward to implement a plugin that synced from CC to Classic, handling the mapping from flat back to hierarchical keywords nearly seamlessly.  Adding keywords to the Creative SDK would only take a few hours on the part of Adobe engineering.  So please add your vote and constructive opinion to this bug report: 
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/creative-sdk-provide-access-to-lightroom-cc-k...