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Tue, Feb 11, 2020 4:43 PM

Lightroom Classic 9.2: System does not allow the selection of user generated camera profile

I just tested the new preference settings in 9.2, assigning a camera profile to a camera. I have my own camera profile, which shows in the standard selection dialog in develop module.
I tried to assign this profile in the new dialog of 9.2. It does not show in the drop downs! Or did I miss anything?

Now something more cosmetic, German Version: The Standard Adobe Camera Profiles have different "names" in the preference dialog and in the dialog in Develop, not very clever and very confusing ( and easy to fix )

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9 months ago

Your camera doesn’t show up? You’ve got at least one raw in that catalog from that camera? It should detect all cameras from any raw within that catalog in the fly out menu. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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9 months ago

this problem concerns just the new dialog in 9.2. This dialog is confusing and misleading and it does not show own camera profiles to be defined as standard.

Thanks for your help

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9 months ago

Yes I agree, the new design isn’t as clear as it could be. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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9 months ago

The list shows presets, not profiles. If you want to apply a profile, you need to save it as a preset.

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9 months ago

Thats what I learned after testing, but the UI is mixing camera profiles with presets. Not very clever UI design. The functionality is ok, but this UI will cause many questions from users who are working with a cmonbination of presets and camera profiles

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9 months ago

I'm having the same issue–All of my manually assigned camera specific Default Develop Settings are gone!

I tried every possible setting in LR Preferences (see below). In previous versions (9.1 and earlier) my defaults settings for edited image files show as grayed. Now they show as full white. If I hit the Reset button they revert to the Adobe Default settings (not mine) and are then gray.

Does anyone know why this has happened and how to revert back to my previous Default Develop settings without entering them all over for each of my camera models (five different camera models).


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I just found this note, which explains what happened.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/whats-new/2020-2.html#raw-defaults

Note:

Raw default settings made prior to version 9.2 will not be migrated when you update to Lightroom Classic 9.2. All the previous settings for already imported images will be retained but all the default settings will reset to Adobe Color. If you need your previous default settings, it is recommended to configure new default settings after updating to Lightroom Classic 9.2.

I wish it was just the camera profile that changed. I also have different manually entered default Develop settings for  WB, Sharpening, Noise Reduction, and Lens Profile Distortion and Vignetting Amount settings and they all are now are set to the Adobe Default settings.




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Hi there,
The idea behind the functionalty is great, but the zu Design and implementation is poor.

Many thanks for the link

Martin

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The ability to change specific LR Default Develop settings and use SHIFT + Reset button to save them as the new Default Develop settings has been removed. It appears the only way to apply specific Default Develop settings changes is to create a Develop preset and select that in the Preferences> Presets> Raw Defaults as shown below.



However, after entering the above, clicking on 'Update Default, and closing and opening Preferences I see 'Adobe Default' selected as shown below. The selected preset is showing and being applied on Import so working properly, but the 'Default' entry is incorrect. It should say 'Preset.' This is a bug!

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9 months ago

Good Analysis!
Deleting an old functionality and replacing it with a confusing new dialog, and not telling the users in the adobe blog about the removed functionality is not clever. You could have saved your old " raw presets" as a new (real) preset. Do you have a second computer with the same old raw defaults? (I am lucky, I have my laptop which is not yet updated.

I am still not convinced where the bug is. Is the bug the missing selection of other camera profiles or the very confusing handling of the information, or a combination of both.

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I am still not convinced where the bug is. Is the bug the missing selection of other camera profiles or the very confusing handling of the information, or a combination of both.
In the LR Preferences Presets tab screenshot above the the Camera Default is showing as 'Adobe Default,' but to the right it's showing my custom preset as assigned. When I first assign a preset it shows the assigned preset's name (Default Develop...cutoff the rest) in that same box. Closing and reopening Preferences shows it reverting back to 'Adobe Default,' but it is actually assigned and applied to new Imports and when hitting the Develop module Reset button. It's a "cosmetic" bug that should be fixed to avoid confusion.

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Here’s yet another bug (or poor design) and if anyone can confirm or deny, that be useful. I made a new DCP camera profile now that X-rite supports the SG target. I Made a preset and named it ARsSonySB and then in the new preferences dialog selected preset for my camera. Then I saw I spelled the name SB instead of SG so I renamed the preset in Develop. It now shows ARsSonySG but when I go back into preferences, it doesn’t show up any longer named under “Default” Nothing is now listed to the far right by Camera Settings under the Default label. I’m not really sure if the profile is selected and the name didn’t update or not. But this isn’t ideal behavior considering in Develop, you allow us to rename a preset. After selecting a renamed preset, shouldn’t LR update that new name wherever it’s accessed???

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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I renamed a preset and in Preferences it now shows as 'Camera Settings' assigned, which I guess is the default behavior when the originally assigned profile is missing or renamed. The renamed preset does show in the Default> Preset drop-down selector. When you select it and click on the 'Update Default' button it will appear next to the 'Camera Model' on the right side.

This is going to cause much confusion for people who use custom Default Develop Settings. Also as I mention below the ability to assign custom Default Develop Settings for camera JPEG images has been removed. This includes cameras that only shoot JPEG file format.

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I haven done further testing to know if the updated name makes the preset disappear or the name just changes back to a default but yeah, either way, it’s not good. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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Hi Todd,

The new default preset panel's UI is not very well developed.

When the Camera selection is changed to one that is in the right side list, the 'Create Default' button changes to 'Update Default'. This is when the Default setting should also change to reflect the current setting for that camera. So in your example, I agree with you that in selecting the Canon EOS Digital Rebel camera, the Default selected item should update to the actual selected option, i.e. the Default Develop... (space is not even big enough for the preset name in your screen shot - it is wider in mine).

In the list on the right, the Default setting has a drop-down selection to its right so the setting can be changed there. This doesn't seem to be visible in your screen shot.



It seems to me that the developers haven't thoroughly thought this through and what they have done is only half done.

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9 months ago

@Todd
do you have untouched imports, imported with your old settings. Open them in Develop and save as preset. Or as I mentioned already, perhaps a second computer....

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Yes, I have both a 2nd computer running LR 9.1 and my main computer has plenty of image files with my default settings applied. It's just a PIA to have to create a Default Develop settings preset for each camera when the original functionality (ALT + RESET button) was much simpler. Adobe also could have kept the original  ALT + RESET GUI capability AND included a routine in the installer to "move over" the current Default Develop settings for each camera model to the new 9.2 interface. Then nothing would need to be done to by the user after update to 9.2.

Adobe did mention this change at the link I provided, but it doesn't specifically explain that you need to use a preset in the Raw Defaults Preferences if you want something other than 'Adobe Defaults' or 'Camera Settings.' The latter is usually limited to 'As Shot' WB and an in-camera Picture Style (i.e. Camera Named Profile inside LR). That doesn't help me because I use custom CCPP created Camera Profiles, and Sharpening and Noise Reduction settings. I'm sure some users may also want to change other Develop settings. Thankfully it appears the Lens Profile custom default settings remains untouched by the update with only 'Remove Chromatic Aberration' and Enable Lens Profile' unchecked.

Adobe also made it more difficult for people who use ISO specific Default Develop settings as explained here.

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-classic-9-2-default-development-set...

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Just found another issue with removal of the ALT + RESET button function. Cameras that don't have raw file capability can not have their LR Default Develop settings changed. The new Preferences> Presets> Raw Defaults interface only shows cameras with raw file capability so it's not possible to update the Default Develop settings for JPEG only camera models.

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The Import presets still work for the JPG only cameras.

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Agreed and after thinking about this it's best to apply the JPEG Default Develop settings on Import only using a preset. This will prevent JPEG exports with camera JPEG files from having the Default Develop Settings applied twice. I just tested it on LR 9.1 and that's what happens if you assign any Default Develop settings to the camera JPEG file type.

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9 months ago

Hi,

Thanks for reporting your concerns and issues. We will investigate into the matter.

Thanks,
Sumeet

Thanks & Regards,

Sumeet

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8 months ago

I'd second all the concerns used here.  I have a default preset for the different cameras I use (drawing on work done by Jeff Schewe years back) and want to be able to use this as a starting point for post process.  Saves me HOURS of time for large batches.  LR 9.2 has really screwed this up for me!  Please reinstate the previous simple functionality.
Thanks
Chris

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I don't understand what you can't achieve now that you could earlier in terms of a default preset for differing cameras. 

Author “Color Management for Photographers"

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It's pretty obvious - Being able to select default settings for each camera use from a simple dialog is infinitely clearer than the "improved" approach.  I might be able to achieve the same results, but why should I have to go round the houses to do it...

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You said "I have a default preset for the different cameras I use" and "LR 9.2 has really screwed this up for me!". Like Andrew I do not understand how Lightroom screwed this up. Just select this preset as camera default in the preferences, or just keep using it as a preset that is applied on import. Maybe the old way was easier for you, but nothing has been screwed up.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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Well - yes, I can do it this way, but there was something that wasn't broken, didn't need fixing and now I'm the one having to find the way round for no good reason that I can identify.  I'm not usually curmudgeonly and resistant to change, but this one got under my skin for some reason!

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The old system often caused problems. People changed their camera defaults by mistake, or didn't realise that updating the camera defaults with the current settings would update it will all the current settings, also settings in other panels that they forgot all about.

If you have a default preset like you said, then nothing has changed. You can still assign a preset on import in the import dialog, just like before.

Johan W. Elzenga,

http://www.johanfoto.com

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The new 'system' is far more powerful and one loses nothing in the process if they first understand they should make a preset of anything they hope to never lose. Yes, there were "Default" settings deep in some preference that 'disappeared' in the new version but this was explained in the release notes and again, one can easily reconstruct them too: Take an existing History from any processed image and recreate any such preset. Just select a previously imported image and then select the "Import" stage from its history panel, next create a new preset from there. Done, saved, easily configurable for each camera. 

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OK!  I'll stand corrected and buckle down to learning the new system,  Thanks for paying attention to my post.  Appreciated..  :-)